Originally Posted by Kole_Locke

The Mists of Pandaria, from what I can tell it looks like a Kung Fu Panda rip off... the Monk class is kind of cool.

I don't play WoW but swore to all my friends if they ever brought a Bard Class to WoW I would start playing- but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

You play eq2?

I'm tired of seeing people saying that MoP is a kung fu panda rip off. It isn't.
The pandaren and their culture/backstory existed in warcraft lore years before kung fu panda even existed.

I don't think the general wow population these days has played the warcraft games. Players today are very different from players in vanilla. I think they mostly say it because it feels "silly" and that's mostly blizzard's fault that it feels that way. I mean, how could you not here that one of the racial's that a big panda race has is BOUNCE and not associate that with the character Po from Kung Fu Panda?

and the awsome +15 to cooking thats what im more looking forward too. xD

See? It's silly... >.< so it deserves to be called a kung fu panda knock off. I really hope they fix the racials and give them something useful.

Just because it's more light hearted than previous expansions doesn't make it a silly kung fu panda knock off.
Their racial that give double food buff is extremely useful. And Bounce is actually more useful than it sounds. Especially as a rogue.

Noone cares about a food buff. In the end its nothing compared to lets say Every man For himself or even that 1% damage bonus worsens get. WoW has a dark story behind it, it always has. When you just change it on people and say oh we're going to have bouncy pandas and give them a longer food buff it goes against everything they've done before.

but you really can't blame anyone for making those connections.

Po: works in a restaurant, his father cooks noodles and it's through food that he masters kung fu.

You can't tell me an increased food buff doesn't remind you of that.

Po: Is able to withstand the nerve attacks of his enemy because his weight makes him bouncy. He even bounces his opponent (forget his name) off of his tummy.

Now bounce, I'm sorry... I LOVE WoW and I love blizzard but come on... you can't take those two things in and seriously not think kung fu panda at all.

the only time I see bounce being useful, maybe if you're jumping off of things in either AV or AB. But not arena or in most pie situations. maybe the neph fight.... at least for current content. And food buff.. food really isn't that important and it;s so easy to get I feel like there has to be other things that would be much more useful than an increase in a buff duration.

There's a difference between a reference and a knock off.
WoW is full of references to pretty much everything.

The Pandaran race has been around for FAR longer than Kung Fu Panda. Just saying.

And the associations between pandas and Easter fighting styles goes back farther than both of them - they're culturally relevant, just the same as knights and medieval castles are.

The amount of people who have or haven't played Warcraft makes no difference. I've never played any of the Warcraft games, but as a WoW player, I'm still willing to recognize that the lore in the game I play has been taken from the Warcraft universe. That's a universal truth.

I'm just arguing that you can't be angry at people for making those inferences and therefore calling mists of pandaria the kung fu panda expansion. I've been playing since vanilla and played all of the warcraft series before that and still, I can't help feeling they did knock off kung fu panda. And just because the Pandering race has existed longer, doesn't mean anything because they haven't existed in WoW before. The warcraft Panderians are very different from the WoW Panderians and I do believe the success of kung fu panda has had a great deal to do with it. there are so many more options they could have gone with as far as the Panderians in WoW. they could have gone with an agility or strength buff going back towards lore and instead they went with bounce. It's just a stupid choice for blizzard to have made, again that's my opinion in which I'm very much entitled to. Still, I do hope they change it before release since just about everyone I know has reacted so negatively towards those racials. wow has really strayed from itself lore-wise. every expansion it releases takes the game further and further away from lore. mists of pandaria is going to be no different I fear. I realize they are 2 different games but sometimes I find it hard to forgive the choices they've made because I've always been one of those people that's loved the lore, read the novels, read the graphic novels, played the warcraft series just like I really still can't take to tauren priests and paladins.

Who EVER said you weren't entitled to an opinion? No need to get so defensive.

I started playing in vanilla as well, by the way, and I don't feel like it gives my opinion any more or less value. Just saying.

No one's forcing you to play WoW either; if you think the lore has gone downhill so much you're quite free to leave.

I wasn't being defensive. That was a clarifier I put in so people wouldn't take offense to my opinion that blizzard made a stupid move.

and I never mentioned I was leaving wow either. I even mentioned my understanding that they are two different games.

No matter what you say, someone is always going to disagree. That's different than taking offense, and the phrase just seemed a bit like it came out of the Repetition Department of Redundancy.

All I'm saying is, if you obviously aren't happy with the turn the game has taken (has been taking - vanilla players have been ragequitting since BC), a less obnoxious solution would be to remove yourself from the thing you aren't happy with, instead of continuing to hope that a project Blizzard has had in the works for at least a year - probably far longer - will suddenly be scrapped, because a few players aren't happy with it.

That being said, I really DON'T think the race is the strongest they could have integrated. I would have loved to see a naga race. Naga have stronger lore, depth, and interest in the WoW universe, at least at the present moment. But I'm not going to spend my time moaning about new content, either - I'm getting pretty bored of Cata, and the change will be welcome.

I've never mentioned being unhappy either. You completely missread my post and made it something coming from someone attacking the game. All I've really said is

1) Panderian could have been a stronger addition to the game had they not decided to give them racials so similar to Kung Fu Panda and

2) Those people relating the game to kung fu panda aren't out of line as there's just undeniable similarities.

3) That my friends have reacted negatively to the expansion so far and that I'd like it to be changed. There's aspects of any game that every person would like to see changed. I don't ever take it as, oh someone's complaining THEY HATE THE GAME. No, they hate the feature. In this case, I hate the feature. I'd like to see it changed. Others can agree or disagree but that shouldn't start this whole angry you should wow discussion.

I figured the hope something would be changed or fixed would have inferred that I'd like people to be happy with wow.

Also I think you're underestimating how many people were unhappy. I went to blizzcon. I was therefor the announcement and stood in long lines with all the other players. Al lof them expressing the same ideas that I've mentioned here.

Hey, congratulations on going to BlizzCon! Is it cold up there on your high horse? That really seems to be what you gravitate towards - a sense of superiority or authority, whether boasting (irrelevantly) that you've been playing since vanilla or that you've read the lore - because, you know, that negates the opinions of people who haven't. I watched BlizzCon live. Sure I wasn't there, but I saw the reactions, and while the major consensus appeared to be surprise, there seemed to be just as many people pleased with the new features as disappointed.

Some of the most anticipated changes in the expansion include the new area, concept art, class, talent system, dungeons and the new group questing system, all of which received a great response from the crowd and the critics alike.

Lastly, and most importantly, what?

that shouldn't start this whole angry you should wow discussion

I was therefor the announcement

Al lof them expressing the same ideas that I've mentioned here.

I'm sorry this whole angry you should wow discussion was started. I began it with the best intents, but your illusion of self-importance and low tolerance for a conversation that began as a discussion and ended as a debate is giving me a headache. Maybe it has something to do with you being an announcement. I just don't understand your kind.

Lastly, assuming you meant "all of them expressed the same ideas I've mentioned here," that's a pretty big assumption. Every single player who went to BlizzCon feels the same way you do? Boy, howdy!

picking at grammar or punctuation really doesn't bother me or most people. you knew what I meant will all of the statements you quoted. first statement meaning that I should quit wow. Sorry I misses a space between the there and the for but you seem to have gotten that one. *All of yeah spacing issue there too. Your point is taken, I don't type well. But I wouldn't say I'm on any sort of high horse. That is truthfully what I observed at con. And I wasn't referring to the game's upcoming expansion as a whole. This whole thing has been about pandaren racials. I'm pretty sure I've been very clear about my focus being on the racials and nothing else. Maybe not EVERYONE at con agreed but certainly everyone I talked to mocked bounce. It was a running joke there and seemed to be the conversation starter whenever new people were met. The mention of knowing lore was to establish that I do understand where the pandaren race fits in and was not meant to suggest my point was more or less valid than anyone's and also a way of saying I've loved this series for a longtime. Overall I still love the series. I'm still going to play. These racials just happen to be something I'm not happy about and have noticed that others, mainly my friends, aren't either and I thought discussion of both positive and negative aspects of the game could and should be discussed in a wow lounge.

Awww. let's be honest here. we've both been playing for so long. trolling just doesn't work for either of us.

You'd be surprised. I admit that, these days, trolling is often a cover for a logical flaw someone doesn't want to explain. But to be honest, you just irritated me, and I did it on a whim. Because I can't stand you.

It is cute how you assume I was faking to defend my lack of a counter-argument, though. C: The truth is, I just couldn't be bothered to keep up the conversation when it's obvious neither of us are going to change our minds.

It's a bit like hitting your head against a brick wall... or insisting that WoW should get a bard class before one bothers to try it.

Hey anyone able to help for one day use the RaF bonus and help me get a alliance to lvl 70 shouldn take more then 5hrs better then a week or longer.

please help cause no ones using my RaF anymore it sucks ;;

I stopped playing WoW in September. I plan on coming back after I have my own computer again. :P I played on Alleria originally, but I switched over to Proudmoore, seeing as Proudmoore is the "premiere gay server". The motto is "Out Loud and Proud...moore". :P

My main:
Factitious @ Proudmoore

Alts I usually play:
Felrissa @ Proudmoore
Andoral @ Proudmoore

RaF has expired for me, so now im trying to get rid of my 2nd account ill trade it for a diff mmo game account and i got a rift account with alot of good stuff on them.