Personally I don't think 12 year olds need to see that sort of thing. but once you hit the 'right' age.. go for it. :angel:
neither are 'bad' but again 12 is kind of ridiculous..:|

Originally Posted by ElysiumFate

(In my opinion) Any type of affection shown to another organism.

Instinct cannot be based on subjectivity.

Originally Posted by ElysiumFate

Yes, I consider rape a violent act, but I'm not seeing how that has anything to do with instinct.

Do you consider reproducing a natural function of an animal?

Originally Posted by ElysiumFate

On the note of Neanderthals, I was alluding to the fact that the early homo sapiens would scavenge leftover meat from the kills of predators to supplement their herbivorous diets BEFORE they learned to hunt by watching said predators. Never did I say that they were vegetarians.

In other words, let the animals we evolved from be the ones we have to rely on for food?

Well,it depends on what you mean by sex. If it's a quick scene and it's consensual on both parties I see nothing wrong. Now,if it's like rape or too long of a scene I start to get a little uncomfortable and think it's weird. Like,typically when I movie uses too many sex scenes is because they have no plot (personal point of view)

As for violence...it also depends on how much there is and how explicit it is. You have to understand,we're in a time now that people see violence and find it very impersonal. So...idk,I like violence but stuff like Saw and whatever...I think that's too far and can give ideas to serial killers ):

Violence is worse because it is disturbing and upsetting for some to see, and harder to reconcile if it traumatizes the person. Sex is something natural that everyone does (nearly everyone that is) and sexual curiosity is normal for adolescents. I grew up seeing sex in movies and porn magazine from older cousins and it didn't taint me or make me a sick person or traumatized. As long as none ofthe sexual content glorifies rape, molestation, or anything bad like that, if it is just shown as people loving or feeling passionate to each other, and they're not even showing all the private parts.. well then I think it's harmless. If the parents of the children have given them down to earth facts of life and talked to them about what all they needed to know, establishing values such as respecting your body and others bodies, the emotional and physical responsibilities of sex, and so on.. then the children by the age of 12 (though I'd like to say 13 is a little better) should be well enough adjusted to be able to see the modest sex scenes in movies. Watching someone get their head cut off with a chainsaw though or getting gutted alive or having their face bashed into the ground.. that can be truly damaging, depending on the sensitivity of the person watching. I myself can't watch violent movies or understand why people find that stuff so entertaining. It's sickening. I can stand it if its just some guys scrabbling in a bar and it's not too gruesome, but if it's people just doing stuff to torture and hurt and maim.. I can't be in the same room as the movie. I especially hated the movie The Cell where they showed the man burning the child's hand with an iron. That traumatized me for a very long time, and I wasn't even a child when I saw it, I was 23 or something. That should not have even been shown, it made me hurt for a long, long time.

So yeah violence is worse than sex cause unless its rape or molestation or some sick twist, sex is a natural healthy thing and violence is not.

Depending on whos playing them. violent and 'sexy' games should have age ratings. and if that child is younger than the age stated, they shouldn't play it, as the law states. otherwise I see nothing bad.

Violence is what I hate most, Rape is related to sex, but more related to violence.
Games showing rape should just be banned all together. :)

i don't think there is anything wrong with movies having sexual content or violence, i think if you are old enough to really understand something and know what is right and what is wrong then there is no need to censor you from those things. i wouldn't let me two year old watch things with violence or sexual content but at 13 or 14 maybe. it all depends on the persons mentality, not their age. most people would think i'm disgusting for thinking this but the fact is that we are surrounded by this stuff everyday from a very young age and we all have different ways of handling things.

I think the answer rests solely in how the movie-watcher responds to it.
Violence and sex can be harmful, but generally speaking violence is much easier of an impression to make on a young mind and much easier for kids to imitate.

On Screen Sex. If you want to see sex in a movie, rent a porno. I don't care if its implied and off screen, but I didn't go to the theatre to watch them get it on.
If you don't want to see violence, don't go to action/horror movies. Besides, my immature self likes to see stuff go kablowie.

Are you kidding? Both are great, especially in the same scene!

But seriously, If I were to pick one, I'd say sex scene. If I wanted to see sex, I'd just watch a porno. When I go to the theatres, I want ACTION.

I apologize if this sentiment has been stated before.

My take on the situation is the worst thing to have in a movie is uneccesary sex and violence. I watch a lot of movies, and am a huge Alfred Hitchcock fan. If anyone sees one of his movies they can see how it's possible to make a truly powerful horror film without the use of 1,200 gallons of fake blood, intestines, etc. and where the on screen death toll averages at least one kill per five minutes. The same works for sex. You can give the audience the idea of a sordid affair without having to fill in -all- of the details. A lot of times, the mind works better at filling in the details than just spoon feeding it all to the audience. I think the value of that in engaging the viewer is often underestimated. A horror movie works when you leave it having to look over your shoulder, wondering, or if you hear a noise in the dark and you jump ten feet filling in some crazed murderer or evil monster. A sex scene is more personal when it leaves you remembering past encounters.

All that being said, there are some places where you just can't get around it. These things certainly have their place. A porno flick looses all it's purpose if you can't see anything. If you are watching a documentary on one of the world wars, operation proceedures, whatever....the violence and gore is an expected feature. It's just how it is.

I also have to say that I'm a fan of oldschool Looney Toons, and over the years they've called all the slapstick politically incorrect and have slowly been changing it all. And that, truly, breaks my heart. It's just not the same thing when you go to watch Wile E. Coyote, and he doesn't get the living daylights pummeled out of him by his own inventions, or Jerry giving Tom a good dose of his own medicine, etc.

When things are done right, they become an integral part of the piece. When they aren't, they're just painful to watch on a screen.

I think they can both be equal, but a combination of both is in most movies, which would be so much worse.
Sex is bad because look at our pregnancy rates in high school now.
Violence is bad cuz look at our crime rates.

I will choose both. This two are both worst. This two makes the world more mixed up. Some people who are addict watching this could sometimes cause there mental capacity turn out into something else. Like doing it in the real life. Thinking "what if I will apply this in real life?"...and this make sense and turns into negative ways. How much more when children at such a young age see those thing. They would grow thinking that, this world is this and that in a negative way. I, definitely will say, both of them are worst.

I don't think either is nesseccarily bad; so many amazing classic movies have a combination of the two! Like Chinatown, a fantastic neo-noir thriller, I don't want to give away any of the plot for people who haven't seen it, but it does have both sex and violence at points (especially the latter!).
I think it more depends on how it's executed; tasteful or not basically. :)

i would say that both violence and sex is bad for the cinema.

a lot of you guys have presented a lot of valid arguments and points, to which some i would agree on and others which aren't really that appealing to me.

i can say that sex is not really that appropriate in the cinema is not about the act, as its perfectly natural and everyone at one point in time,will get to do it. but i reject the notion on how it is being portrayed. sadly, most of the sex ive seen on films either try to promote teen sex or used as a justification of a so-called loving relationship. i have nothing against the act, just the message the film producers try to tell us via the action.

as for violence, lets face it. it happens all around us. we may not be able to do something about it from far away, but to desensitize ourselves to it by simulated exposure isn't really the next best thing we can do.

i guess that my opinion on the matter.

Originally Posted by Liath

I'm living in Germany for a year, and i'm from the states.
My friends and I were looking at videos in an electronics store, and all of the movies had age limits. Movies and shows like Kill Bill and Battlestar Galactica had age limits of 18 and 16, while all of the sex movies, including something called "Loss of sexual innocence" had age limits like 12.
It made no sense to me, but my friends said that probably in Europe violence in movies is considered worse, and they all agreed with it, saying that sexual movies do no harm to anyone, regardless of age. My opinion is that sex is worse than violence.

Any thoughts on this issue?
What is your opinion? Which is worse: sex or violence, or are they both equal? Or are neither of them inappropriate? Why do you think so?

I think Germany must have good movies for children If I ever have kids. I think I'd love to get movies from over there. my opinion is that they are both equal and that there is worse. and to solve the problem all those violence movies are for 18 and up cause of holocaust and etc. the people set age rate high on violence so as to not teach children more. / safety issue:)

America is all hush hush about sexual things.

Sex is something everyone does.

But not everyone is killing people.

Both of them can be done tastefully, but most of them aren't.
Neither bother me, but when they're done without tact it's just awful.
I'd have to go with violence. "Gore porn" is the worst.

Personally I think violence is by far worse.
The only thing I see wrong with sex is premature pregnancy and STDs.
Promoting sex isn't the same as promoting unsafe sex.
I don't think any sort of violence is acceptable on the other hand, any mention is a promotion and all promotions of any form of violence in my opinion is bad.

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Originally Posted by Xxbl00dyxangelxX

I think they can both be equal, but a combination of both is in most movies, which would be so much worse.
Sex is bad because look at our pregnancy rates in high school now.
Violence is bad cuz look at our crime rates.

Your rates mean nothing on their own though they only serve as statistical evidence when being compared to another country's rates and if you take a European country like France or Germany where the age limit on sexual movies is virtually non-existent, where sex is much more prominent in the media, and look at their statistics, they don't have a large amount of in-school pregnancies like the United States does. It is the same with alcohol...people want to do things that are scandalous and rebellious. In Europe drinking ages are much lower and it isn't a big deal. Because of this people drink way more responsibly, where as in the United States it is illegal and the teenagers abuse the substance anyway.

Originally Posted by KRTCO

I think Germany must have good movies for children If I ever have kids. I think I'd love to get movies from over there. my opinion is that they are both equal and that there is worse. and to solve the problem all those violence movies are for 18 and up cause of holocaust and etc. the people set age rate high on violence so as to not teach children more. / safety issue:)

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Sex in movies is fairly offensive, but often is not allowed to be developed in a way that is terribly damaging.

On the other hand with violence in movies I feel it is glorified. The cool guys in the movie are often violent. These are people children will want to be like and idolize. In doing so they will behave in violent and hurtful ways. To me that does more damaged then knowing where babies come from.

Yeah, no, sex in movies rarely ever gets offensive enough that it would leave a lasting impact on anyone. The worst case I've ever seen is this movie called Irreversible with Monica Belluci where there is quite a lengthy rape scene, but I won't go into any details. And even then, it doesn't even show anything really (nothing in the line of the sexual organs), though you get the full view of her being sexually assaulted.

Now, violence in movies is just awful, especially if you watch demented crap like Hostel. I only watched the first movie and thought I was going to puke from some of the intense scenes of gore they put in that movie. I know it's all fake and everything, but good lord, it's supposedly based on things that can actually happen? It makes me never want to go to another country or even leave my bed room.

Originally Posted by Subrosian

Yeah, no, sex in movies rarely ever gets offensive enough that it would leave a lasting impact on anyone. The worst case I've ever seen is this movie called Irreversible with Monica Belluci where there is quite a lengthy rape scene, but I won't go into any details. And even then, it doesn't even show anything really (nothing in the line of the sexual organs), though you get the full view of her being sexually assaulted.

Now, violence in movies is just awful, especially if you watch demented crap like Hostel. I only watched the first movie and thought I was going to puke from some of the intense scenes of gore they put in that movie. I know it's all fake and everything, but good lord, it's supposedly based on things that can actually happen? It makes me never want to go to another country or even leave my bed room.

You must also think though that movies with violence in them is different from movies that revolve around violence, as movies with sex in them are different than movies that revolve around sex. Pornography comes to mind. Although there is no name for movies that completely revolve around gory violence (supposedly like the one you mentioned), I think they would be on the same level as pornography.

Originally Posted by Subrosian

Yeah, no, sex in movies rarely ever gets offensive enough that it would leave a lasting impact on anyone. The worst case I've ever seen is this movie called Irreversible with Monica Belluci where there is quite a lengthy rape scene, but I won't go into any details. And even then, it doesn't even show anything really (nothing in the line of the sexual organs), though you get the full view of her being sexually assaulted.

Now, violence in movies is just awful, especially if you watch demented crap like Hostel. I only watched the first movie and thought I was going to puke from some of the intense scenes of gore they put in that movie. I know it's all fake and everything, but good lord, it's supposedly based on things that can actually happen? It makes me never want to go to another country or even leave my bed room.

Saw the said movies, and thought of them to be awesome!

But to conclude that it won't leave a lasting impression on ANYONE would seem a bit jumpy.

Consider the little ones, or children, per se. they are impressionable, and will most likely imitate what they see or hear from the media. There are cases where child on child rape happens, as rare as they maybe. and does anyone even wonder why children are violent after watching a violent show?

Both these forces are actually more powerful and influential that we ought to believe in them. and that should put us on our guards.

Which is worse? Or better!

Hahaha, seriously though, I think Europe has it right TBH. Sex isn't something gross and dirty to be avoided or embarrassed of. I'm at loathe to use the term "it's natural" but it is. I'd rather some impressionable youth know how exactly tab A fits into slot B than watch some sort of gory torture scene.

I view sex as a "positive" and violence as a "negative" in terms of emotions, if that makes sence. Sex is love, passion, feeling good and being close to another person. Violence is rage, hatred, and wanting to beat someone's face in

You tell me, which is better?

(that being said, I love violent movies. THe more explosions the better)

I've stated more of my opinion earlier in this thread. I just wanted to pop in with a little more to add.

Sex may be "natural", but is unrealistic in the way it's portrayed in most movies. It's also (most times) not portrayed "safely", as in no mention of birth control or protection against disease. And unless they're watching porn, they aren't learning exactly how tab A fits into slot B, nor should they be if they are children. I know I certainly wouldn't want my younger child learning something like that from tv or a movie! Again (because of I've previously stated this), I'm no prude and see nothing wrong with the nudity in movies, except for the fact that they are all too willing to show a female's body, all of it, but not a male's body. My problem is with the sex itself. Kissing, hugging, touching, not bad things to see, but once the clothes start coming off and the groping and sex act begins, that's where I draw the line. This is because I think sex should be a private act, between two people, not a show for everyone to see. I don't like it when I see two people virtually making out in public, and I don't want to see it on my tv screen either. Movies and tv shows CAN be made without it and be just as good. And yes, I know I can turn the channel or choose not to go see the movie. And I do just that if I don't feel like watching it. Most times, I just ignore it or do something else while it's on. Now that I think about it, they COULD have used those moments as a "teaching" moment, you know, fade to black or to the next scene once the clothes start coming off, thus implying that it's a private thing between two people, not a bad thing to "learn", even for adults! But we know THAT'S not going to happen.

Violence, unfortunately, is NOT portrayed unrealistically. It can and does happen. Though many things seen on the screen can be quite out of the norm, so to speak, they can and do happen, because there are sickos all over the world. And while it can and does happen in the real world, children can and should be taught the difference between right and wrong. Most are, and therefore know they shouldn't be running around trying to rape another child or cut his body parts off with a chainsaw. While at a very young age, children may not really understand death and it's finality, but most children know better anyway, even at a very young age. I think that's because they can see and understand that that stuff "hurts" and no one should be intentionally hurt, as well as the people scream and you can see from their body language that they are scared and they know that being scared isn't a good thing either. They know they wouldn't want that done to them. Even when it's "glorified" or made to seem a good thing, I think the only ones who would really deep down enjoy it enough to do it to someone else are those that probably are pre-disposed to doing that kind of thing anyway, like someone with a sociopathic personality to begin with. And in those cases, I don't know that seeing or not seeing anything is going to make much of a difference. I do believe there are just some people who are bad, or evil, and nothing's going to change that.