I am jumping in here rather late so let's see if I can get into this easily. xD

I personally believe that they have the right to build whatever they want in that spot. That is not to say that it is a SMART idea. I fear these people should expect a lot of harassment and problems while they are there. It's sad, but I foresee it.

I enjoyed watching a republican speech the other night. Whom it was sadly I was ignorant of, as I walked in halfway. All I remember is this:

"Well, we know they have the right to place whatever they desire upon that area. We understand it is part of their constitutional right. We just don't believe they should ENFORCE their rights".

Huh?

I thought this was amazing to hear. How could anyone sputter that out of their mouths? They shouldn't enforce their own rights? That's crazy.

I hope all is well. I'm not saying it's a smart idea, but if it's private property and all that such, they have every right. Good luck to them.

1955, you can sit on the bus but just not there.
2010, you can build a mosque, but just not there.

same thing, folks. It's disgusting and it's rascist. I'm glad the majority of you are for it.

yours,

a practicing Muslim woman.

Originally Posted by love.zee.

1955, you can sit on the bus but just not there.
2010, you can build a mosque, but just not there.

same thing, folks. It's disgusting and it's rascist. I'm glad the majority of you are for it.

yours,

a practicing Muslim woman.

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Originally Posted by love.zee.

1955, you can sit on the bus but just not there.
2010, you can build a mosque, but just not there.

same thing, folks. It's disgusting and it's rascist. I'm glad the majority of you are for it.

yours,

a practicing Muslim woman.

I'm against it but don't get me wrong I'm also against anything except a park built there. That way it's not fueled by race. Personally everyone involved should be thankful the Earth doesn't seek revenge for the blood shed caused by the radical groups. Could you imagine Osama/Al Quiada getting sucked down into the Earth and getting suffacated by the sand. Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling doesn't it. I've seen what the Earth can do to a place (The Desert in Oklahoma).

Originally Posted by Stardragon

I'm against it but don't get me wrong I'm also against anything except a park built there. That way it's not fueled by race. Personally everyone involved should be thankful the Earth doesn't seek revenge for the blood shed caused by the radical groups. Could you imagine Osama/Al Quiada getting sucked down into the Earth and getting suffacated by the sand. Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling doesn't it. I've seen what the Earth can do to a place (The Desert in Oklahoma).

I don't see how it's being at the site...its being built off of it, not even VISIBLE at the ground zero site. There's already a masjid in downtown manhattan not far from the ground zero site, and no one has had a problem with that. And that's a proper masjid, this is a community centre thats open to Muslims and nonMuslims alike. If a Christian community centre was being built in the same place would you have the same issue, really? Of course not, because the media wouldn't have blown up about it.

Also, I'd like to add that 60 MUSLIMS died on 9/11 (and that isn't including the 'muslim' terrorists, who by the vast majority of practicing Muslims aren't considered real Muslims anyway). The Muslims that died included: a man working nearby who tried to rescue people from the rubble, a pregnant woman, a waiter on the top floor restaurant....the list goes on and on.
Yet, 9/11 is regarded as an attack against America and good Christian Americans.
No sir it was not.
It was an attack against freedom. And as Americans, you should honour the fact that you do have your freedom and extend that freedom to religion. Which you have in the first amendment, but sadly this isn't being honoured.

Originally Posted by love.zee.

I don't see how it's being at the site...its being built off of it, not even VISIBLE at the ground zero site. There's already a masjid in downtown manhattan not far from the ground zero site, and no one has had a problem with that. And that's a proper masjid, this is a community centre thats open to Muslims and nonMuslims alike. If a Christian community centre was being built in the same place would you have the same issue, really? Of course not, because the media wouldn't have blown up about it.

Also, I'd like to add that 60 MUSLIMS died on 9/11 (and that isn't including the 'muslim' terrorists, who by the vast majority of practicing Muslims aren't considered real Muslims anyway). The Muslims that died included: a man working nearby who tried to rescue people from the rubble, a pregnant woman, a waiter on the top floor restaurant....the list goes on and on.
Yet, 9/11 is regarded as an attack against America and good Christian Americans.
No sir it was not.
It was an attack against freedom. And as Americans, you should honour the fact that you do have your freedom and extend that freedom to religion. Which you have in the first amendment, but sadly this isn't being honoured.

I would have to disagree even if a christian/jewish/budhist/,and or a new skyscraper was being built I would be against it. The land needs to heal.

Well, I feel this way about the issue... yes, they have a right to build a community center that is predominantly serving an Islamic community in New York City, but I think that if they really want to win trust of everyone, maybe it might now be such a bad idea to decide not to build there. There is a church somewhere down south is still deciding whether to burn Korans or not which to me is just adding more fuel to the fire. I think both sides should take steps to having a more peaceful co-existence. People shouldn't burn Koran's to be spiteful because from what I have seen (Now, this is not factual only from my own personal observations now) Islamic folks in the middle east take high offense to anything against Islam and I know they would definitely (Al Quaida and any extremist would capitolize on such attacks on Islam) where as maybe there aren't as many fundamentalist Christians, may just whine and bitch. (In my opinion they are just as crazy). Bottom line is, I disagree with Koran burning, but at the same time maybe--- just maybe-- they should rethink their idea in good faith about where they are building their community center since it is such a heated issue. I personally don't have a problem with the mosque but I don't like to see such bickering.


Just wanted to add I watched on the news tonight about the Koran burnings in a church in Florida. The pastor must be insane, it will cause so much violence and makes America as a whole look like a bunch of insensative intolerable religious bastards. It's disgraceful, I'm not against Islam, but against radicalism period in any religion.

There is a significant Muslim population in NYC. I hardly believe that when they thought to build an Islamic centre in downtown manhattan so it could be easily accessible to everyone that there would be such an uproar because it was a few blocks away. I don't think for a second they thought,
'oh hmm...heres a site thats far from ground zero BUT lets make it here because we're a bunch of selfish and mean spirited bastards who want to create a media frenzy.'

the people who created the media frenzy....is the media. If this had gone on unreported not a single soul would have said anything about it most likely. You can't even SEE the centre from ground zero and you'd have to go really out of your way to walk past the centre en route to ground zero. Ground zero IS 'sacred' ground, but that doesn't mean ALL of lower Manhattan is too. That's absurd.

Hearing of the Florida pastor preaching the burning of the Quran instantly reminded me of when I was recently standing across from the Humboltd University in Berlin at Bebelplatz where the Nazis burned more than 20,000 books, many of which were written by Jews. Engraved is a line by Heine, "where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people." Talk about the lessons of history.


And I'd finally like to add this: the true injustice here is that there's so much time and effort being wasted on this non-issue. In Pakistan there has been flooding that has affected 20 million people.

That is more people affected than the victims of the Haiti earthquake, and the Tsunami.

20 million people.

And we're crying over the fact that some Muslims have decided to build a centre where they can chill, eat, pray and hang out. Like any other community centre. Honestly, and I'm adressing this to the world in general, people need to step back and get a grip on reality.

I have an issue with a mosque being built at Ground Zero, but that's not what we're dealing with here. A community center two blocks away is a whole other animal--one I can, in fact, get behind, because it's unrelated. I'd also have no issue with someone using that parcel of land for a nice bookstore or a fire station. It's...this argument, to me, seems based on sensationalism, who can make this argument sound more absurd and ridiculous. No one's trying to get a mosque on the Ground Zero site itself.

Originally Posted by love.zee.

There is a significant Muslim population in NYC. I hardly believe that when they thought to build an Islamic centre in downtown manhattan so it could be easily accessible to everyone that there would be such an uproar because it was a few blocks away. I don't think for a second they thought,
'oh hmm...heres a site thats far from ground zero BUT lets make it here because we're a bunch of selfish and mean spirited bastards who want to create a media frenzy.'

the people who created the media frenzy....is the media. If this had gone on unreported not a single soul would have said anything about it most likely. You can't even SEE the centre from ground zero and you'd have to go really out of your way to walk past the centre en route to ground zero. Ground zero IS 'sacred' ground, but that doesn't mean ALL of lower Manhattan is too. That's absurd.

Hearing of the Florida pastor preaching the burning of the Quran instantly reminded me of when I was recently standing across from the Humboltd University in Berlin at Bebelplatz where the Nazis burned more than 20,000 books, many of which were written by Jews. Engraved is a line by Heine, "where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people." Talk about the lessons of history.


And I'd finally like to add this: the true injustice here is that there's so much time and effort being wasted on this non-issue. In Pakistan there has been flooding that has affected 20 million people.

That is more people affected than the victims of the Haiti earthquake, and the Tsunami.

20 million people.

And we're crying over the fact that some Muslims have decided to build a centre where they can chill, eat, pray and hang out. Like any other community centre. Honestly, and I'm adressing this to the world in general, people need to step back and get a grip on reality.

You're right, it's sad. I really could care less if they build their community center there; it's two blocks away, not on ground zero like a lot of people once though, and according to the news report that I watched earlier it's not just going to be a community center for Muslims, but also for other religions such as Christians, Bhuddists, Hindus, and Jews... etc. I'm getting tired of hearing about it. When you get bull headed idiots involved usually there is blood shed and you're right about one thing. History repeats itself and that pastor has received a lot of death threats and because one crazy pastor and fifty followers in his congregation want to make a point because of that community center by burning Korans, there is going to be a huge middle eastern rising, and give Al Quaida more ammuniation to show just what intolerable people Americans are when that really is not the case. I think that moderate Muslims need to step up and tell the radicals on their side who want to go to Jihad that this attitude does not represent America as a whole. Hillary Clinton condemned and disapproved and FBI agents as well as city and town leaders warned of what kind of behavior this could start up for not only the soldiers but for Americans all over the world.

Here's a PSA by American Muslims...
YouTube - I AM A MUSLIM! My Faith My Voice by PSA

moderate muslims are trying to make their voices heard! I know in my community, we hold lots of interfaith dialogue, make our masjids open to everyone, during the month of Ramadan (tomorrow is the final day actually!) we invite non-Muslims to fast with us. We try so very hard, unfortunately our voice isn't carrying to that minority of people who are rascist. Why would they want to listen to us? We're clearly The Enemy.
Media outlets are really difficult too. Anytime there's a disaster that includes a 'Muslim' they ask us to respond, to make a comment on it.
That's ridiculous, when one Muslim does something asinine why does the entire community have to answer for it?

Another thing I'd like to address, a lot of people say 'oh but I'd like to see them build a synogogue etc in saudi arabia'
the problem is, you can't lump all Muslims into one category.
Saudi Muslims are very different, they have an extremely sheltered existence in which only Muslims rain supreme. It's nothing to do really with religion, but with preservation of culture. They have laws that prohibit being anything other than Muslim if you're a Saudi citizen. Yet, in Islam it is allowed to have other religions practice their faith. As Muslims we are taught to respect other faiths.

Same with terrorists, you can't lump Western Muslims with them either, ebcause they subscribe to brand of politicized Islam that is so far removed from Hadith, Qu'ran and Shari'ah (btw if you're sketchy on shariah please read this ) that it's not even Islam anymore. They're not Muslims in the slightest.

I think the crux of this issue is, as it always seems to be, ignorance. People are willfully ignorant and base their entire perceptions on 1 billion people, based on what Fox News or CNN has told them.

-_-

sigh, I sound so angry. I'm really not. But you know, it'd be nice to sit on a bus without someone telling me I am a, "dirty sand nigger." This based on the fact that i wear a Hijab....ahh...ok.

Originally Posted by love.zee.

sigh, I sound so angry. I'm really not. But you know, it'd be nice to sit on a bus without someone telling me I am a, "dirty sand nigger." This based on the fact that i wear a Hijab....ahh...ok.

I still always tend to think "ninja!" first.

Semi-relatedly, how do you parse showing your Menewsha avi's hair with the practice of wearing a hijab?

my avi is not representative of me in any way shape or form, but rather a bunch of pixels made to look like an anime dress up doll, which is how i treat it. Nobody here is getting sexually attracted to a doll at any rate.
It's only representative of me in that I like the clothes I put on it xD

funfact: a lot of my hijab-wearing friends like to refer to themselves as 'Ninjabi' (hijab + ninja). Why? Because it's awesome.

also on an unrelated note: are there actual items that would cover my avis hair like a hijab? that would be cool @_@

The headkerchiefs and bandanas begin to come close...

Originally Posted by love.zee.

my avi is not representative of me in any way shape or form, but rather a bunch of pixels made to look like an anime dress up doll, which is how i treat it. Nobody here is getting sexually attracted to a doll at any rate.
It's only representative of me in that I like the clothes I put on it xD

funfact: a lot of my hijab-wearing friends like to refer to themselves as 'Ninjabi' (hijab + ninja). Why? Because it's awesome.

also on an unrelated note: are there actual items that would cover my avis hair like a hijab? that would be cool @_@

I love you. For all your comments in this thread. :offtopic:

There was a conversation about whether or not it would be worth the time for Menewsha staff to pixel hijabs, and if people would just use the items to poke fun or to genuinely use them because they like them. Currently there aren't any, but the revenant hoods I think are the closest thing right now. Unfortunately they only come in two colors though :(

Originally Posted by Keyori

I love you. For all your comments in this thread. :offtopic:

There was a conversation about whether or not it would be worth the time for Menewsha staff to pixel hijabs, and if people would just use the items to poke fun or to genuinely use them because they like them. Currently there aren't any, but the revenant hoods I think are the closest thing right now. Unfortunately they only come in two colors though :(

Aw thank you <3
And I'll check out the hoods....howevs I think by and large the users on Menewsha are a nice bunch of people who wouldn't be out and out rascist enough to make fun of the hijab o_o;; hopefully anyway.

but yes, I love you too :D

There actually is a Catholic or christian Church right next to ground to ground zero if I'm not mistaken and an actual Mosque right around the black from Ground Zero and in view of it also that has coexisted with the Twin Towers since the 70's.

The Community center that the Muslims want to build is like four blocks away AND you can't even see ground zero from it.

Muslims have just as much right construct it, Americans need to grow some balls and stop being biased and generalize Muslims as bad. I can name a bunch of things why Catholics are bad but you don't see me or others complaining what you should or not do.
This reminds me of World War and it's not the way to go, Muslims are not minorities or etc.

It's not a mosque, and it's not AT ground zero.

Originally Posted by TalkingBackwards

It's not a mosque, and it's not AT ground zero.

This does often perplex me that the discussion became so slanted that we even need to clarify it is not a mosque. I mean there was at least one mosque in the Trade towers. Does this mean we should classify them as a mosque. It seems to meet the same criteria Faux news is running off.