There's two separate counts of blaming thing on republicans for silly things they do. Bush and Republicans focusing on giving Obama the shaft. I didn't relate the two. Obama can't take all the blame, since we're all supposed to hold hands and get along. Seems less corrupt than most other politicians at least, thought I can't imagine that says much. Also, road to hell paved with good intentions, blah blah.

I am seeing sooo many touchy subjects today. And I am loving it ~Sorry just wanted to get that out there. Back to the topic at hand...

I live in a state that up until it came time to vote in 2008, we were a Republican State. Then Obama comes on the scene paints us all these pretty little pictures of what he wants to do FOR THE PEOPLE. He hasn't delivered, like most of the presidents.

~YOU CAN'T blame Bush for what Obama now has to fix and YOU CAN'T blame Clinton for what Bush had to deal with and YOU CAN't blame Bush for what Clinton had to clean up. It's a viscious cycle, one that is not helping clear any of the issues we have in this country. If ALL the parties would stop trying to pin the blame on the other party of the last president -- then maybe, just maybe we could actually get something done FOR THE PEOPLE.~ Sorry had to put that rant in there too....

Anyway, He hasn't delivered like Bush didn't deliver. But let's face the facts people, honestly and truly think about it. Most people in my area (and my friends in other states) didn't vote for the President in 2008 they voted for the Vice President. Everyone was worried about Obama being assassinated or McCain was going to die of health issues or old age in office. When it comes down to it, most people voted for Biden, not Obama. And that was only because he was the lesser of the two evils. Obama, had the face. Biden had the experience. McCain had the experience, Palin (goodness help us if she was in office) had the diveristy(in the Republican category). I truly believe it wasn't about the presidents the last election. It was about the lesser of two evils... if by chance something happened to the President -- who would you have prefered in office.

I didn't vote for Obama, I didn't vote for McCain. I voted by when it came to the Presidents and the Vice presidents, I truly threw my vote away. Which means I truly don't have a right to complain about the President. But considering I refused to vote for him, and wrote down AL CAPONE for President.. then that goes to show I didn't like him then... and I don't like him now. He is probably an amazing guy, a family man- but when it comes to running the country, like the past 40 or so years, he sucked.

That's my opinion, and you can fight it all you want. But that's fine my Dad is a complete Left Wing guy and my Mom is a complete Right Wing girl. Give me your best shot it won't phase or change my mind on what I just said.

I don't like Obama either, but I'm not going into detail why, cause I don't have the patience for arguing with folks.

I don't care for Obama since he is causing more problems than dealing with the ones that already existed.

I think Obama did well and having to deal with the crap of your parliament such as that debt issue you guys had not too long ago. That was incredibly childish on the Republican's part.

Of course Obama will have a higher deficit. People seem to have forgotten the GFC that hurt your economy. It's not something that last a year or two. Japan was an economically booming country until the AFC hit them and 20 years on they haven't recovered.

And there's only so much a president can do so the blame can't be all on him.

We don't have a parliament. We have the Senate, and Congress. They are two separate bodies.

And it was not childish to try to get spending to slow down when we have less than no money to work with.

I'm guessing you're from the U.K. Your country is as broke as ours is, and you just nearly burned your capitol to the ground.

Originally Posted by sarofset

We don't have a parliament. We have the Senate, and Congress. They are two separate bodies.

And it was not childish to try to get spending to slow down when we have less than no money to work with.

I'm guessing you're from the U.K. Your country is as broke as ours is, and you just nearly burned your capitol to the ground.

Sorry, I tend to mix the terms up due to our similar legal systems.

Nah, Australia. We're doing bloody well.

Australia is not doing so bad. This is true. Only a downturn so far. However your government still needs to watch itself. They are making similar mistakes.

Originally Posted by sarofset

Australia is not doing so bad. This is true. Only a downturn so far. However your government still needs to watch itself. They are making similar mistakes.

Yeah... I have no idea when things turned this political. That's what you get for putting a backstabbing bitch (again) in the seat just because she's a woman... :(

Ours got elected because people were mad at the republicans.

I don't think it is really shocking for someone to dislike Obama. Indeed I find it more surprising to come across people who do adore Obama. What exactly do they adore about him? That he promised change and delivered this in the form of him changing to a Republican? His amazing negotiating skills where he consistently folds to the Republican demands? Many a time he makes concessions to them before negotiations even begin!

Originally Posted by Crimson Fang

I don't think it is really shocking for someone to dislike Obama. Indeed I find it more surprising to come across people who do adore Obama.

Come to Detroit then. XD Seriously, there are even Obama gas stations. Every time I say something about not liking Obama it suddenly is because I'm white. No, sorry but there's several reasons I don't like him and skin colour isn't one of them.

Originally Posted by Mystic

Come to Detroit then. XD Seriously, there are even Obama gas stations. Every time I say something about not liking Obama it suddenly is because I'm white. No, sorry but there's several reasons I don't like him and skin colour isn't one of them.

Oh I don't doubt that there are people who like him. Some of them even accuse Cenk Uygur of being a Republican for criticizing Obama so much. :O

Edit:
A somewhat recent article from Cenk Uygur on Obama.

Originally Posted by Cenk Uygur

I have been saying for a long time now that President Obama is the world's worst negotiator and has absolutely no interest in fighting for progressive principles. I didn't make this up out of the whole cloth. I voted for the guy and I desperately wanted him to succeed. But my job is to cover politics and when you cover Obama all you see is him running for cover.

He hasn't been a republican, so much as he's been nothing. He has screwed us into this debt that we won't be out of until my grand children are old, and we don't even have anything to show for it. He bailed out companies that should have failed, not to mention the "stimulus" which did less than nothing. He's also made it harder for people to get student loans, and has not done anything to fix education. I'm tired of him.

I didn't like bush, I don't like obama, I hope to God that we get a better choice this election.

I don't really get the whole blaming Obama for the debt thing. I mean, this BS started a long time ago. I wouldn't even blame Bush wholly for it, though he certainly contributed his fair share.

I also find it funny that people are all "don't jump down my throat or anything, but unlike MOST people, I don't like Obama". Have you guys seen the latest polls? The majority don't like Obama, it's just a matter of why and to what extent.

All that said -- I don't like Obama either. He's proven himself to be quite socially conservative, and when he's not actively working against the interests of marginalized groups, he's supporting the more blatant conservatives' agendas through his apathy. I'll probably vote for him again, simply because whoever the Republican nominee will be, they'll undoubtedly view me as an enemy of the state, whereas I'm just a not-person to Obama, but I've been completely disillusioned when it comes to Obama -- and Democrats in general -- being the pro-woman, pro-gay, pro-poor, etc. party and just the obvious choice for someone like me. They're interested in my kind only for our votes, and they're happy to throw us under the bus the first time it becomes politically expedient to do so. Sad that I've only been able to vote for three years, and I've already become completely jaded about the whole thing, but meh.

when I created this thread his polls were not low. lol. I disliked him before it was popular.

I've noticed that both major parties are essentially the same. They try to look as different as possible so you won't realize that they're both just a bunch of rich people trying to control or screw everyone they can.

I don't dislike Obama, but I don't think everyone has to adore him XD

and it tends to happen, a new president gets elected, has to deal with the crap of the last state, and has to deal with politicians refusing to give even the tiniest bit >.>

honestly I think the whole system has become rather icky, since people are so afraid for voting for something put up by the other party because douchebags will sling that around at election time again later >.>

meh. What I'm meaning to say is, I don't think it's 'all his fault' I don't think he's incapable of faults either though XD

I think, Obama had good intentions but they fell miraculously flat.

On the other hand.....I think Obama was left with a damn right mess after Bush. I HATE bush.

I second that second statement lol

So the fact that he multiplied everything bush did by like five means what exactly?

They both sucked. Both major parties suck most of the time. Neither one is actually conservative on any issue. They both just want the government to meddle in different ways. It irritates the crap outta me.

Originally Posted by Cora Lorington

I think, Obama had good intentions but they fell miraculously flat.

On the other hand.....I think Obama was left with a damn right mess after Bush. I HATE bush.

I'm not even certain whether or not he had good intentions. As he has consistently demonstrated either an inability or a lack of will to push for progressive values. He keeps pushing for "bipartisanship" which equates to discussions occurring completely on Republican concerns. While I don't doubt that Republicans have been shocking, especially with their opposition to positions they themselves advocated earlier simply because Obama is now advocating them.

Originally Posted by Crimson Fang

I'm not even certain whether or not he had good intentions. As he has consistently demonstrated either an inability or a lack of will to push for progressive values. He keeps pushing for "bipartisanship" which equates to discussions occurring completely on Republican concerns. While I don't doubt that Republicans have been shocking, especially with their opposition to positions they themselves advocated earlier simply because Obama is now advocating them.

Thats why I said he HAD good intentions. I don't really think he's going anywhere with those intentions he had.

well, there's also the total opposite of things like this, like the fact that my mom at one point seriously told me she thought Obama was the Anti-Christ.... :rofl:

I wouldn't go THAT far o.0

Originally Posted by Cora Lorington

Thats why I said he HAD good intentions. I don't really think he's going anywhere with those intentions he had.

Well, I think that's Crimson's point. A lot of the things he claimed (or at least, implied) he wanted, progressive things, that wouldn't have been difficult to get, he didn't at all try to. Look at DADT -- there are conservatives who were for it's repeal, yet Obama's doing everything he can to delay the repeal's implementation. He's also not spoken out against the war on women the Right has declared as of late. The question is not "has he given up too easily?", but rather, "did he ever really support those things at all?". After all, we know he's not for LGBTQ rights (just because he's not extreme in his hatred doesn't mean it's not there), once described women as a "special interest group", and has been trying to further Christianize the government since he came into office. I don't really see any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, to be honest.