Originally Posted by BucMan

Here is my opinion about abortion.

I think that abortion is unconstitutional. You are basically killing another human. There are only a few instances that abortion should be legalized.

If you don't want the baby or think you can't handle one, give it up for adoption. Another way to stop abortion is to not put yourself in a situation in where you have the possibility of having an unwanted baby.

No, you're actually NOT killing another human. You're killing what could potentially become another life, but essentially isn't yet. It has the brain development of a plant.

1. I'm against putting up babies for adoption in many cases. I think that in these cases, the baby probably would have been off never born. They end up in orphanages or foster care, and neither are good places from what I've heard. The child has to live in one of these bad places with no parents wondering why mommy and daddy didn't want them. It's a depressing thought.
Also, think about the woman having to endure the pregnancy. Pregnancy isn't some little thing, it's huge. I'm particularly against this in the case of teenagers; pregnancy will totally disrupt normal life. It would make school hard as hell, physically and emotionally. To do all this for a baby that you know you don't really even want? Seems like a pointless contribution to overpopulation to me.

2. It's good advice, the abstinence thing, but it will NEVER happen. The fact is, we will have sex, and the pill fails. Condoms break. Some people are just stupid. Even those who try to have safe sex can still end up in this situation. Why punish them for one stupid mistake they made? Even better, why punish them because their birth control failed? That's not their fault, now is it?

Originally Posted by BucMan

I think that abortion is unconstitutional. You are basically killing another human. (1) There are only a few instances that abortion should be legalized.(2)

If you don't want the baby or think you can't handle one, give it up for adoption.(3) Another way to stop abortion is to not put yourself in a situation in where you have the possibility of having an unwanted baby.(4)

1) Proof that a fetus is a baby/human being, please.

2) Proof that "special circumstance" babies are different enough from real babies that they warrant special treatment.

3) Do you know why there are millions of people out there who want to adopt? Because they only want the white healthy newborns. You have Asperger's? You're a minority? You're older than four years? No one wants you.

Once people start doing the selfless thing and adopting those minorities, special needs and older children--well, that'll be the day I become a personal lifer.

4)Right. Punish the ebul ebul woman for having secksorz. Never mind that she probably protected herself. Never mind that I want to be STERILIZED once I'm paying for my own insurance--which, by the way, isn't easy to do unless you've had two children and are in your 30's. How very considerate, making BC more readily available to those of us who don't like kids and never want to have them.

I think abortion is wrong and selfish. You brought another child into the world and its a living thing with a soul, you cant just kill it because its doesn't fit into your life at the moment. You smexed someone up you deal with the baby. Rape excluded because it wasn't their choice..but theres always the morning after pill so you shouldn't even have to worry about it after.

But I also think women should be allowed to have an abortion, if and only if the eat the baby.

Originally Posted by Hojico

I think abortion is wrong and selfish. (1) You brought another child into the world and its a living thing with a soul, (2) you cant just kill it because its doesn't fit into your life at the moment. You smexed someone up you deal with the baby. (3) Rape excluded because it wasn't their choice..(4)but theres always the morning after pill so you shouldn't even have to worry about it after. (5)

But I also think women should be allowed to have an abortion, if and only if the eat the baby. (6)

1) I happen to think abortion is a woman's CHOICE. Now which of us is right?

2) Proof that fetii have souls, please. Yeah, they're living, but unless it can be proven that they have these "souls" then I care jack about it.

3) And what about childfree couples, such as myself, who don't WANT children? Oh well, I suppose I'll just dedicate myself to a nunnery to placate the lifers.

Seriously, when sterilization becomes a choice for me at age 21 with no children, THEN I'll start to think "Well, maybe they had it coming." I'm also curious as to how many of these "smex-up" precious bundles of joy were a result of awkward teens having sex and not knowing about BC and condoms.

Also--consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy. By that logic, if you get in a car crash you deserve to die, because despite the fact that you buckled your seatbelt and drove safely, you still knew the risks by getting in that car and you took it anyway.

4) Show me the difference between a rape fetus and a consentual sex fetus, please. Oh wait, they look exactly the same.

Does that not scream "DISCRIMINATION?"

5) You did not seriously say something so ignorant. You did not.

MAP is NOT an abortion pill. IT DOES NOT WORK IF THE FETUS HAS IMPLANTED--and even then, MAP is NOT a surefire way to eliminate pregnancy.

6) Take a look at her statement, people. Take a very long, good look at it.

And think about it next time you call a woman who gets an abortion a heartless babykiller.

it think abortion is bad because you are killing a human child just because you would be too lazy, or it was unexpected, or your scared. i think people that dont want the a child should use condoms or birth controlm pills because really what is the problem of using those things its no problem. but if you have an unexpected birth and you dont want it just take him/her to an orphanage. but i think abortin should be illegal or should be done for a very good reason. cmon people have a heart dont abortionate your babys.

Originally Posted by Prince_Of_Angels

it think abortion is bad because you are killing a human child (1) just because you would be too lazy, (2) or it was unexpected, (3) or your scared. (4) i think people that dont want the a child should use condoms or birth controlm pills because really what is the problem of using those things its no problem. (5) but if you have an unexpected birth and you dont want it just take him/her to an orphanage. (6) but i think abortin should be illegal or should be done for a very good reason. (7) cmon people have a heart dont abortionate your babys.(8)

1) Proof that a fetus is a human child.

2-4) These aren't the only reasons, bucko. What about those of us who don't want children--EVER--and those of us who can't afford to bring a child into this world?

5) Then make BC more easily accessible and less stigmatized and petition for cutting funding for abstinence-only education.

6) Take them to an orphanage, which solves parenting and not pregnancy. I don't want to be EITHER pregnant OR a parent.

And also? Have YOU adopted a child from an adoption agency, particularly a minority, special needs or older child? No? Then kindly stop.

7) And what "good reasons" do you think there should be? And what should the punishment be for aborting?

8) "Abortionate" is not a word and a fetus is not a baby.

Originally Posted by Hojico

I think abortion is wrong and selfish. You brought another child into the world and its a living thing with a soul, you cant just kill it because its doesn't fit into your life at the moment. You smexed someone up you deal with the baby. Rape excluded because it wasn't their choice..but theres always the morning after pill so you shouldn't even have to worry about it after.

But I also think women should be allowed to have an abortion, if and only if the eat the baby.

I think it's selfish of you to force an unwanted child on someone, and I think that you hate children to force them into an unwanted situtations. Every child should be brought into a loving and wanting household and not just forced because they were an oops and have mom and dads resentment for the rest of there life.

An abortion is dealing with the consquences, it's not an easy thing to go through.

And I think you should be made to take care of all the unwanted children out there since you want them to exist so badly.

I'm neutral towards the Abortion Subject.
If the women got raped,is unable to care for her child,risk of birth defects or harm to mother,etc.
I agree with you if the women was just to lazy to take the pill or slip a condom on and is perfectly fine to have a baby then she should have the child.
Even if she ends up putting it up for adoption later.
The subject is a very delicate one,it has it's holes.
I,personally,don't believe a fetus counts as a "human".
A baby,of course does.
Again,everyone has their own views.
But you -probably- were willing to have sexual intercourse in the first place.
They're is always the chance of getting pregnant,or getting someone else pregnant.
I doubt the risks will ever fully leave.
So people have to be responsible,either way.
And deal with sex when they are ready and sure of the outcomes.

Originally Posted by Lolly

I'm neutral towards the Abortion Subject.
If the women got raped,is unable to care for her child,risk of birth defects or harm to mother,etc.
I agree with you if the women was just to lazy to take the pill or slip a condom on and is perfectly fine to have a baby then she should have the child.
Even if she ends up putting it up for adoption later.
The subject is a very delicate one,it has it's holes.
I,personally,don't believe a fetus counts as a "human".
A baby,of course does.
Again,everyone has their own views.
But you -probably- were willing to have sexual intercourse in the first place.
They're is always the chance of getting pregnant,or getting someone else pregnant.
I doubt the risks will ever fully leave.
So people have to be responsible,either way.
And deal with sex when they are ready and sure of the outcomes.

An Abortions is an outcome and taking responsebility for their actions. I never got why having one means your not responsible, I would take it as your more are. Just because you are ready for sex does not mean you are ready for a child. And it's more un-responsible for someone who is not prepared to have a kid, to have one.

Originally Posted by Arousal

So there's a lot of different opinions concerning abortion, some people think it should be illegal, others think it's fine as long as you have a good reason.
I'd like to hear your views on abortion.

I personally think it shouldn't be that big of a deal as long as you have a good reason.
Examples:

A woman who got raped should have the possibility to get rid of child if she really doesn't want it.

A twelve year old girl can't take care of herself let alone a child.

A woman whose life it at risk if she carries through with the pregnancy.

Now if someone was too lazy to use a condom or birth control pills it's their own fault and they shouldn't have the choice to remove it.

So, what are your views on the subject?

you know what, in any way shape or form, abortion is tjust that abortion. It is killing life. From the moment of conception, the child forms and they are a life. OSm epeopel think that a alife is not mad euntil they are born, but that is just the saddest misconception that anyone has ever, ever, ever, ever, ever said.

IF a woman was raped, he r child could have the greatest potetentional that anyone else could have, he coudl be the next president, and if she didn't want it, she could put her up for adoption, not abortion.

Besides the fact a twelve year old girl shouldn't be haveing sex, let alone nknow much about it, hwer parents woudl undersrtand. The would help her out.

Well, either way, if a woman waas at risk, would it be her fault if the baby did die, at least then she would not be responisible for killing teh new unborn baby

PLus, the affects that the woman have doen are horrible fopr them. They have nightmares, and bad occurences. Thy naturally untrust everyone. They are sad, and many go into deprerssion. And, the suicide rate for these womaen is basicall seventy-five percten. ITs killing two peope by doing one precedure. Plus, they just go slicing in the womb, you never know what they coudl hit.

Originally Posted by wizard5424

you know what, in any way shape or form, abortion is tjust that abortion. It is killing life. (1) From the moment of conception, the child forms and they are a life. (2) OSm epeopel think that a alife is not mad euntil they are born, but that is just the saddest misconception that anyone has ever, ever, ever, ever, ever said. (3)

IF a woman was raped, he r child could have the greatest potetentional that anyone else could have, he coudl be the next president, (4) and if she didn't want it, she could put her up for adoption, not abortion. (5)

Besides the fact a twelve year old girl shouldn't be haveing sex, let alone nknow much about it, (6) hwer parents woudl undersrtand. The would help her out. (7)

Well, either way, if a woman waas at risk, would it be her fault if the baby did die, at least then she would not be responisible for killing teh new unborn baby (8)

PLus, the affects that the woman have doen are horrible fopr them. They have nightmares, and bad occurences. Thy naturally untrust everyone. They are sad, and many go into deprerssion. (9) And, the suicide rate for these womaen is basicall seventy-five percten. ITs killing two peope by doing one precedure. (10) Plus, they just go slicing in the womb, you never know what they coudl hit. (11)

1) ....No, it's abortion. Abortion is not "killing life," at least certainly not in the sense you're trying to think of it.

2) Just because something is living does not automatically make it good. Tapeworms are things living in my body, should I just let them sit there and make my intestines go to pot?

3) A life in the sense YOU'RE trying to think of it is not there. It's living, but it has no sentience, no consciousness--it's basically in a coma.

4) They could also grow up to be the next Hitler, Stalin, or just your average Joe Schmuck who won't grow up to be anything more special than a blue-collar secretary. Hmm, arguments from potential are fun! :D

5) A system where there are already thousands of unwanted and unloved children, including older, minority and special needs kids? There's no lack of them--so why aren't people adopting? Oh, right. Everyone wants the healthy white newborns. Well shoot. No wonder the adoption system is so messed up.

6) And yet it STILL happens. You want to help be part of the solution? Provide BC and condoms, like Michigan's doing now. Encourage schools to give something MORE than abstinence-only education to kids. If they're not interested in sex, they'll just ignore it, and if they're active at least we know they're being as safe as possible.

7) ....I hate to say it, but that's really ignorant. There's ALSO a chance her parents might disown her or *gasp* force her to get an ebul aborshun. HOSHI--!

8) I have not a clue what you just said. And I'd first kill myself than give birth to a child with a high chance of deformities, first of all because I'm childfree and second of all because I can't subject a child to that kind of life.

9) http://www.imnotsorry.net/

10) And 99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Point?

11) ....Do your research on abortions, buddy. They do not just go "slicing into the womb." There's the RU486 pill, there's cottonwood root bark or something to that extent to induce miscarriages, there's dilation and extraction (I think that's also partial-birth, which is now illegal in the states), there's suction...I'll do more research and get back to you guys.

Point being? These doctors are not idiots. Having one abortion will not spell out your immediate doom.

@Raja-nime you present a lot of good points and really back up your opinion well. Even if I didn't agree with you I don't think I could be mad or try to argue with you because you present your case so well. Just letting you know lol.

I am FOR abortion if the women has been raped and she becomes pregnant.

However, I am AGAINST abortion if say it is a teenager and she decides, 'Hey, I want to have un-protected sex with my boyfriend.'

I seriously believe that she should HAVE THE CHILD, and keep it, not put him/her up for adoption. There are SO many couples that actually TRY to get pregnant but they just can't conceive. It's a sad thing, so couples that have sex with out protection or birth control should keep the baby....

Originally Posted by Majinkoz

I am FOR abortion if the women has been raped and she becomes pregnant.

However, I am AGAINST abortion if say it is a teenager and she decides, 'Hey, I want to have un-protected sex with my boyfriend.'

I seriously believe that she should HAVE THE CHILD, and keep it, not put him/her up for adoption. There are SO many couples that actually TRY to get pregnant but they just can't conceive. It's a sad thing, so couples that have sex with out protection or birth control should keep the baby....

So, you wantto put a teenage girl through 9 months of bodily changes and hormones, and bonding with what is growing in her body, only to rip it out of her to give to a couple, who only wants a newborn child child?

If these couples want kids so badly, theres many that need homes right now. Only reason they do not, is the are minoritys, older, a and/or have disablities.

I disagree with turning a teenage girl into a baby making factory.

Originally Posted by Majinkoz

I am FOR abortion if the women has been raped and she becomes pregnant.

However, I am AGAINST abortion if say it is a teenager and she decides, 'Hey, I want to have un-protected sex with my boyfriend.'

I seriously believe that she should HAVE THE CHILD, and keep it, not put him/her up for adoption. There are SO many couples that actually TRY to get pregnant but they just can't conceive. It's a sad thing, so couples that have sex with out protection or birth control should keep the baby....

....Why does it make more sense to make a child a punishment? Isn't that a bit contrary to the idea that life is a "gift" to be "cherished?"

Yes, if a teenage girl decided, I'm going to have unprotected sex and I know that I run the chance of getting pregnant, then I think she SHOULD keep the baby.

If you have an abortion that's killing a living thing...even if it's still developing you are killing a LIVING THING. Not a bug or something, it's a human.

I suppose I take back that the mother should not put him/her up for adoption, I think that actually would be okay (after I thought about it) but I see and watch things where there are 15 year old girls who TRY to get pregnant (that's their goal, not just un-protected sex) and then they want to get an abortion right after they found out...It's disgusting, just bring something to life, and then killing it.

Originally Posted by Majinkoz

Yes, if a teenage girl decided, I'm going to have unprotected sex and I know that I run the chance of getting pregnant, then I think she SHOULD keep the baby. (1)

If you have an abortion that's killing a living thing...even if it's still developing you are killing a LIVING THING. Not a bug or something, it's a human. (2)

I suppose I take back that the mother should not put him/her up for adoption, I think that actually would be okay (after I thought about it) (3) but I see and watch things where there are 15 year old girls who TRY to get pregnant (that's their goal, not just un-protected sex) and then they want to get an abortion right after they found out...It's disgusting, just bring something to life, and then killing it. (4)

1) So essentially the baby is just a punishment for having sex. That's wonderful to know--I'm quite certain that an unwanted baby will most certainly grow up with minimal amounts of neglect, abuse and mental screwups.

And it's not like teens have a lot of choices, you know. Besides the fact that abstinent-only education is all but being forced on these teens, BC isn't easy to get in the first place. Pharmacies don't have to hand out BC if they don't want to and can cite "religious reasons" as though it's valid. It's their job, not their temple, first of all. Second of all, this just ENCOURAGES "promiscuity." Kids are going to have sex--so we can either educate them on how to REDUCE their chances of getting pregnant, or we can let them screw like rabbits and then wonder why everything goes to hell.

2)No, it's not a human. It's a fetus. It's human in nature, but it itself is not a human. If anything, it's parasitic in nature, draining on the mother's nutrients, strength and resources whether she gives consent or not.

3)See what I've said about adoption, since I've hardly seen anyone refute the fact that the adoption system is pretty much FUBAR if you're an older, minority or special needs child.

4) Not to be snide, but as they say, "Pics or it didn't happen."

Originally Posted by Majinkoz

If you have an abortion that's killing a living thing...even if it's still developing you are killing a LIVING THING. Not a bug or something, it's a human.

A bug is a LIVING THING too. And, unlike a foetus, the average insect is an autonomous, complex organism. As opposed to a parasitic clump of dividing cells.

I'm not one of those people who considers all life to be equivalent, and refuses to do anything to harm an animal, since that path leads to preposterous ends, but I find it amusing how life can be so easily discarded one second and considered all-important the next.

I personally see abortion as wrog and i think that too many people are using it as a form of contraception which lets be honest it not is it. There's another human inside the womb. I can understand why some people have an abortion if say they were raped or family problems or disability or maybe not ven able to support through money (sorry if i offended.)
But i really don't like the whole idea of i beleive that from the moment of conceptionit's a living thing, but thats my veiw.
I've also heard that in some countries their going to make abortion illegle which i think if they do its going to cause so many problems i mean some people might go to the blckmarket to get an abortion which means who ever is carrying it out might not be a proffesional and well they could harm them selfs too, having an abortion damages the womb and reduces the risk of further pregnancy anyway.
So my whole overveiw is that its wrong but acceptable in some circumstance's.
And i'm really really sorry if i offended anyone, if i did feel free to p.m me and i will personally apolagise.

Originally Posted by Katana warrior

i think that too many people are using it as a form of contraception which lets be honest it not is it.

I hear so many people make this argument, but I'd like to see some solid statistics here. Not unfounded assumptions, not anecdotal evidence, STATISTICS.

Because from what information I've gathered, this idea of a swarm of women who genuinely believe that going to a clinic, getting the permission of one or more doctors, and undergoing an awkward, time-consuming and uncomfortable procedure is superior to using a condom or the pill. Please, show me them.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD MAKE A BIG DEAL OF IT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A GOOD AND I MEAN REALLY GOOD REASON TO HAVE THE ABORTION,SUCH AS RAPE,BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TO LAZIE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE OPTION BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY WANTED THE CHILD IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE A CONDOM.

ok. for the people out there saying even rape victems souldnt be alowed it because they could put them up for adoption i would just like to say this.

have you ever been raped or know any one thats been raped? its not a thing you can just brush off let alone in the space of time it would take for the pregnancy belly to apear. now add to the sorrow or being abused in such a way by finding out your pregnant, i would think that the people you were with wouldnt mind throwing your guts up because of how bad you felt.

imagine how much like a worthless pile of rubbish the child would feel, first being an orphan and then when it finds out it was the produce of a rape... well i wouldnt be supprised if they killed themselfs.

whats the rape victime going to feel knowing that out there there is a child that is theres that they had because they were raped? happy? over the moon? dont think so. more likly it would mess with there minds for the rest of there lives because the memories of the rape and meternal instincts would be driving her mad.

so you are onestly saying that the raped person should be put through not one single moment of hell but 9 months? i just pray for your sake you or some you know isnt put into that position.

its debated weather stress if good for a baby or not but i think that the mother is likly to misscarage about all this pressure.

now thats 3 strikes in a row for the mother, posible more and all because she wasnt alowed to have an abortion.

ok, some rape vicems that get pregnant may wish to keep the child, fair enough it should be there choice and i would respect that, thats not the point im making im on about the rape victimes that DONT want to have the child.

ask your self this after thinking long and hard about the real life situations, is it worth it? putting some one through so much missery and pain, and effectivly being punnished, because they were raped?

Originally Posted by Neko-sama 992

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD MAKE A BIG DEAL OF IT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A GOOD AND I MEAN REALLY GOOD REASON TO HAVE THE ABORTION,SUCH AS RAPE,(1)BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TO LAZIE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE OPTION BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY WANTED THE CHILD IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE A CONDOM. (2)

1) Conclusive evidence that a rape baby is different from a baby conceived by consensual intercourse, please.

2) ....My god, there are so many things wrong with that statement.

2a) NO. NONONONONONO. CONDOMS =/= PREGNANCY FAILSAFE. Accidents happen. Condoms are faulty or fail. YOU DO NOT USE THEM ALONE. And even then, not all pregnancy is avoidable. My point? Accidents happen. BC alone does not mean you will live a pregnancy-free life.

2b) Right, so lets make the precious little lives you're so intent on saving into punishments. Because an unwanted child will obviously never be abused or neglected, right? And we never have dumpster babies that way.

....Oh. Wait.

Originally Posted by Raja-nime

2) ....My god, there are so many things wrong with that statement.

2a) NO. NONONONONONO. CONDOMS =/= PREGNANCY FAILSAFE. Accidents happen. Condoms are faulty or fail. YOU DO NOT USE THEM ALONE. And even then, not all pregnancy is avoidable. My point? Accidents happen. BC alone does not mean you will live a pregnancy-free life.

Hell, there has been STERELISED people that managed to have children.

Originally Posted by Rmarques

Hell, there has been STERELISED people that managed to have children.

Hush, you. I'm planning to get sterilized when I'm outta college and don't need that little reminder nagging me. @_@