Goth Rock

10-11-2007, 09:08 PM

This is my introduction to the music genre Goth Rock and some of it's subgenres. The following information was used and taken from the Goth Rock thread on Gaia Online. All credit for the following posts goes to Soulbutter and Sinister Kung Fu.

10-11-2007, 09:09 PM

Table of Contents
- Rules

- Definition and Brief History Of Goth Rock

- Related Artists Based on Sub-Genre

- Link List

- Miscellaneous

10-11-2007, 09:12 PM

Rules
-Stay On Topic. The Topic is Goth Music and anything related to it. If the discussion veers too far from the topic you will be warned. Three warnings and you will be placed on a list that will prevent you from posting in this thread; in other words you will be Banned from our thread.

-Do not Harass newbies and/or those who don't know what Goth really is. Help Educate them instead.

-No SPAM. No SPAM. No SPAM. And we don't care that your Mom threw away your black eyeliner and all your Goth stuff, or that you got in trouble at school for refusing to take off your leather jacket and Doc's for gym... (...and yes these things did happen to me when I was in H.S. :~)

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-More Rules to be added later. Deal with it.

10-11-2007, 09:14 PM

Definition
"The goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in the United Kingdom during the early 1980s in the gothic rock scene, an offshoot of the post-punk genre. The goth subculture has survived much longer than others of the same era, and has continued to diversify. Its imagery and cultural proclivities indicate influences from nineteenth century Gothic literature.

The goth subculture has associated tastes in music and fashion, whether or not all individuals who share those tastes are in fact members of the goth subculture. Gothic music encompasses a number of different styles. Common to all is a tendency towards a lugubrious, mystical sound and outlook. Styles of dress within the subculture range from death rock, punk, androgynous, medieval, some Renaissance and Victorian style clothes, or combinations of the above, most often with black attire, makeup and hair.

By the late 1970s, there were a few post-punk bands in the United Kingdom labeled "gothic." However, it was not until the early 1980s that gothic rock became its own subgenre within post-punk, and that followers of these bands started to come together as a distinctly recognizable movement. The scene appears to have taken its name from an article published in UK rock weekly Sounds: â€˜The face of Punk Gothiqueâ€™, written by Steve Keaton and published on February 21 1981. The opening of the Batcave in London's Soho in July 1982 provided a prominent meeting point for the emerging scene, which had briefly been labeled positive punk by the New Musical Express.[1] The term "Batcaver" was later used to describe old-school goths.

Independent of the British scene, the late 1970s and early 1980s saw death rock branch off from American punk.[2] In 1980s and early 1990s, members of an emerging subculture in Germany were called Grufti[e]s (English "vault creatures" or "tomb creatures" wink ; they generally followed a fusion of the gothic and new wave with an influence of new romantic, and formed the early stages of the "dark culture" (formerly called "dark wave culture" wink ."

-Taken from Wiki. Complete article can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subculture

10-11-2007, 09:17 PM

10-11-2007, 09:22 PM

Misc

10-11-2007, 09:24 PM

Link List

10-11-2007, 09:33 PM

All above posts are credited to Soulbuter and Sinister Kung Fu from Gaiaonline. Thanks so much, you guys!

10-12-2007, 05:48 AM

Mortiis is a really cool band, I have alot of their songs on my WinAMP. Parasite God, Way Too Wicked, The Grudge, Decandent and Desperate, Twist the Knife and more! Yes as you can see I love them. <3. So, I have them as friends on my MySpace page and I plan on ordering an album online. What album would you suggest I order?

10-12-2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Butter.Scotch.

Mortiis is a really cool band, I have alot of their songs on my WinAMP. Parasite God, Way Too Wicked, The Grudge, Decandent and Desperate, Twist the Knife and more! Yes as you can see I love them. <3. So, I have them as friends on my MySpace page and I plan on ordering an album online. What album would you suggest I order?

Hmm...
Mortiis is more on the Electronic side and not so much Goth Rock.
The rest of the bands that you listed have nothing to do with the genre.
I'd suggest you order something along the lines of Bauhaus or maybe The Cure if you want more uppity Goth.
Siouxsie and the Banshees is very good as well.

10-12-2007, 08:43 PM

Wow you double posted a lot.

I'd recommend Nightwish and For My Pain.
For My Pain is a gothic rock; while Nightwish(old) is a goth rock/opera/rock. The new Nightwish is goth rock and rock.
Actually I'll post you some links.

Nightwish
For My Pain

10-13-2007, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiparon

Wow you double posted a lot.

I'd recommend Nightwish and For My Pain.
For My Pain is a gothic rock; while Nightwish(old) is a goth rock/opera/rock. The new Nightwish is goth rock and rock.
Actually I'll post you some links.

Nightwish
For My Pain

Wrong, and uhh.. Wrong. Nightwish is Opera Metal and For My Pain is Gothic Metal. Two completely different genres from Goth Rock.

10-13-2007, 06:13 PM

I know what you mean, but to me, metal is a form of rock. But they're great bands nontheless.

10-13-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiparon

I know what you mean, but to me, metal is a form of rock. But they're great bands nontheless.

Sure, Metal and Rock can tie into each other but when it comes to two completely separate genres, they are nothing a like whatsoever.
If they're not the same genre then that's that, no matter how close two whole genres are.

10-13-2007, 07:16 PM

Well let's not make a fight about it, lad.

10-13-2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiparon

Well let's not make a fight about it, lad.

I'm not, it's just a simple heated discussion.
We're allowed to have different opinions.

10-13-2007, 08:19 PM

Well yes. And I'm not trying to deprive you of it. I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to fight about it, because that's how i felt was about to happen.

10-13-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiparon

Well yes. And I'm not trying to deprive you of it. I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to fight about it, because that's how i felt was about to happen.

Understandable.
Well, if you'd like to explore more into the Goth Rock genre itself, you should look into Asylum Party. I quite fancy them at the moment.

10-13-2007, 08:46 PM

I agree but disagree with your opinion.
Gothic Metal and Gothic Rock can go together. Also several of your "Goth" bands have never considered themselves goth, such as The Cure. Black Tape for Blue Girl has also consdiered themselves to not go in these genres, but more of Ambient type and not Dark Wave.

Several of the bands you denied have been listed in sections you have. Just because your opinion does not put them there does not many the band, or other consider them to go there.

10-13-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkashaHeartilly

I agree but disagree with your opinion.
Gothic Metal and Gothic Rock can go together. Also several of your "Goth" bands have never considered themselves goth, such as The Cure. Black Tape for Blue Girl has also consdiered themselves to not go in these genres, but more of Ambient type and not Dark Wave.

Several of the bands you denied have been listed in sections you have. Just because your opinion does not put them there does not many the band, or other consider them to go there.

Just because a band considers themselves something doesn't make them the genre. If Slipknot considered themselves Black Metal would that mean they were Black Metal? Nuh uh. It goes along with the sound the band produces and in the example of The Cure, they did have the exact sound for Goth Rock.
As for black take for a blue girl, they were and have always been the founders of Darkwave. They've even put in their own albums people saying things such as "The first Darkwave band to exist!"
It doesn't have to do with what the band thinks themselves of, like I said, it's the style of music they make.

10-13-2007, 10:47 PM

And other people hear things and have their own thing to call it. Like I called it goth rock. I called it goth rock because it has heavy guitar, but not heavy singing.

10-14-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hebenon Vial

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkashaHeartilly

I agree but disagree with your opinion.
Gothic Metal and Gothic Rock can go together. Also several of your "Goth" bands have never considered themselves goth, such as The Cure. Black Tape for Blue Girl has also consdiered themselves to not go in these genres, but more of Ambient type and not Dark Wave.

Several of the bands you denied have been listed in sections you have. Just because your opinion does not put them there does not many the band, or other consider them to go there.

Just because a band considers themselves something doesn't make them the genre. If Slipknot considered themselves Black Metal would that mean they were Black Metal? Nuh uh. It goes along with the sound the band produces and in the example of The Cure, they did have the exact sound for Goth Rock.
As for black take for a blue girl, they were and have always been the founders of Darkwave. They've even put in their own albums people saying things such as "The first Darkwave band to exist!"
It doesn't have to do with what the band thinks themselves of, like I said, it's the style of music they make.

hmm, I just thought i remember reading that that Black Tape for Blue girl didn't.

Well, so your opinion dictates what is or isn't? What saying, is the Cure never set out to make themselves be Goths. Hell, one of my teachers was telling me the kids when he was in high school in the 80's considered The Cure and the Smith moddish and the kids who listen to it to be mods. so shouldn't it make them Mod then?

I mean, several of the bands you said weren't, i consider Gothic, but your opinion is the one that dictates what is, right? And they may produce the exact sound to you for Gothic Rock, but the Cure themselves might of set out to produce something different and came off different.I mean you change from it is what that bands says is there style to not.

10-14-2007, 11:28 AM

I like The Cure a lot, they're one of my favorite bands. I'd say, however, that I'm more into Goth Metal than Goth Rock...maybe it's because I don't really know any Goth Rock bands besides The Cure...that, and I have terrible problems with labelling my music. ^^;
Ah, whatever, Goth is Goth. ^^

10-15-2007, 01:22 AM

No, there's just a certain thing people like to call genres. Inside these genres are certain sounds. Metal sounds like Metal because it's... Metal. Goth Rock is Goth Rock because the music played is played in the style of Goth Rock. I don't dictate what style or genre of music it is. The sound of it does. Even if it's Experimental, it's Experimental.
I can understand where you're coming from with the whole Mods thing and everything. I most certainly can. All I'm saying is that a certain type of music fits into a certain category not because of what they say they are, but what kind of music they play.
Music isn't defined by the groups who listened to it. It's defined by the genre it is. If some people started listening to Drum N Bass constantly and they called themselves Loopers (Don't ask, just making examples) that doesn't mean the music is called Loop. It's still Drum N Bass.
That's why things like Emo are so confused today. Because stupid people chose to call themselves Emo, not knowing what the roots of the music are, made some whiny ass crap and started calling it Emo when it wasn't even close to what it actually was.
I'm just trying to make the point that just because someone says a genre is that genre doesn't make it correct.

10-15-2007, 02:02 AM

Yes. But other people
classify music into
others genres than you
might. Besides, some bands
fit into two different
genres that they may not
mention on their websites.
It's not always your way or
the highway, lad.