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Old 07-31-2016, 07:13 AM

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I wanted to share a piece about where the student argued the point of God vs Science with his professor.

‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’ The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand, ‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?'
‘Yes sir,’ the student says.
‘So you believe in God’
‘Absolutely.’
‘Is God good?’
‘Sure! God’s good.’
‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
‘Yes’
‘Are you good or evil?’
‘The Bible says I’m evil.’

The professor grins knowingly.‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
'Yes sir, I would.’
‘So you’re good…!’
‘I wouldn’t say that.’

‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he?
My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?’

The student remains silent.

‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
‘Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?’
‘Er…yes,’ the student says.
‘Is Satan good?'
’The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
‘Then where does Satan come from?’
The student falters. ‘From God.’
‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’
‘Yes, sir.’
‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
‘Yes’
‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’

Again, the student has no answer.

‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’
The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
‘So who created them?’

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’
There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’
The old man stops pacing.
‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
‘No, sir, I have not.’
‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’
‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’
‘Yet you still believe in him?’
‘Yes’
‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’
‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’

‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own.

‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’ And is there such a thing as cold?’
‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’
‘No sir, there isn’t.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’.
We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.’
‘Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat.

'You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’
‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.

‘In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester.

‘So what point are you making, young man?’
‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.

’The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’
‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains.
‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’

‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’
‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’
‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’
The student looks around the room.
‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’

The class breaks out into laughter.

‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’
‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.

‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’
‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life.’
The student continues.
‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’

Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’

The professor sat down.
I found this little tidbit to be quite telling.

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Psalm 14 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Amen.

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Old 07-31-2016, 10:45 PM

Why does the devout Christian student say "The Bible says I'm evil" and then later say "Evil is simply the absence of God" and "Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart."

The devout Christian calls himself "evil"
but "evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart"
...is that not a contradiction?

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Old 08-01-2016, 12:44 AM

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Why does the devout Christian student say "The Bible says I'm evil" and then later say "Evil is simply the absence of God" and "Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart."

The devout Christian calls himself "evil"
but "evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart"
...is that not a contradiction?
Sin nature. It is the nature of man to sin. Jesus can forgive us for sins, but in an instant we can return to our old ways. This means that every human retains this sin nature regardless of whether or not one has been forgiven by God or not.

This is why the path to Heaven is always referred to as a narrow path since it's so easy to fall off the path. It's like a dog that you love. Your beloved pooch may chew your shoes and you may forgive this dog for chewing your shoes, but this dog's nature remains.

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Old 08-01-2016, 12:48 AM

Do humans serve as gods to their dogs because we provide them with love and food and forgive them even when they sin

Do dogs go to heaven

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Old 08-01-2016, 03:38 AM

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Do humans serve as gods to their dogs because we provide them with love and food and forgive them even when they sin

Do dogs go to heaven
I chuckled when I read this. Animals do not sin. Nor can they. This is because animals are not spiritual beings, but we humans are. Animals are, of course, limited to the Limbic brain system and only do what is in their nature. As spiritual beings humans can choose to go against what is considered moral or righteous. This is the distinction between man and animal.

While we are not gods to animals, God has given humans dominion over animals. This does not mean that we should be cruel to animals, but rather enjoy them or make use of them according to their abilities.

And yes. There must be animals in heaven. I believe that a pet that is loved does go to Heaven. Even a dog who once chewed up your shoes.

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Old 08-01-2016, 09:06 AM

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Animals do not sin. Nor can they.
Actually by your own religious texts, they do.

Homosexuality, for example, is stated to be a sin in several verses of the Bible. However, many species of animals are dependent on homosexual behaviors to insure the continued social cohesiveness of their group. Take the bonobo, one of our closest genetic relatives. As a rule they do not discriminate between male or female when choosing sexual partners, and engaging in some form of copulation is common behavior when strengthening emotional bonds, celebrating a new source of food, and re-establishing emotional bonds after a fight. It's very fascinating and you can read more about it on wikipedia.

They're far from the only animal species to engage in homosexual copulating or co-parenting, just the one that I can remember at five in the morning. Dogs also engage in homosexual behavior; I'm sure you've heard of a friend's friend's dog that will only display mating behavior toward a dog of their own gender. Lions as well; female lions can and will gather a pride of their own, even growing a mane like a male lion and mounting the other females like a male lion would. Granted, our limited knowledge of the phenomenon is thus far pointing toward these lionesses being intersex, which is an entirely different argument about whether transgender and intersex beings are sinful by their very existence. I hope you'll understand if I don't want to veer that far off topic.

These behaviors are entirely natural; and, biblically speaking, a sin.

(As an aside, I want to make it clear that I consider exactly zero of the above mentioned a sin or what have you. My brethren in spirit extend into the animal kingdom and I think that's a beautiful thing. <3)

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Old 08-01-2016, 04:27 PM

Anacasta, do dogs know how to read? Are dogs taught the word of God?

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Old 08-02-2016, 05:07 AM

Jury's out on how much of our language dogs truly comprehend. However, we're not just discussing canines.

Several members of the primate family, all members of species which engage in homosexual behavior, have been taught how to read human language, comprehend what they've read, and communicate via sign language their thoughts and emotions. These cousins of ours could be 'witnessed' to, and understand what they were being told. By your own yardstick, they have the capacity to understand sin and virtue.

They're not the only animals capable of it. Dolphins, octopii, and crows, just to name a few, have been proven to possess amazing cognitive abilities nearing or matching our own. Dolphins especially are perfectly capable of understanding human language given enough exposure. They are also another species that commonly form homosexual pairings.

So I ask you, where do you draw the line? Why do you draw it there?

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Old 08-02-2016, 07:06 AM

No animal wil ever be called before God to face judgment because no where in the bible is such a thing stated. The word of God is for man and mankind only. To think that certain animals that exhibit certain behaviors or can learn sign language equates those animals to man is foolishness.

This is what the bible says about homosexuality and mating with animals:

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Leviticus 18:22-23 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.'
'Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.'
That is as simple and as clear as God makes it for us. There are no parables of Jesus preaching to animals. Jesus never told the twelve apostles to preach to animals, but to man. Jesus never promised eternal salvation to animals, but to man. Jesus did not die on the cross to wash away the sins of animals. He dies on the cross to wash away the sins of man. And as fine and dandy as most animals are, they are not spiritual beings.

An animal does what an animal does due to its own nature. Animals that engage in what may be perceived as homosexual behavior do that because of their nature. Most likely to propagate and protect their species. Only man, as a spiritual being, can purposely go outside of nature in rebellion against God. An animal, which is limited to its Limbic brain system, cannot.

I sense that your overall point is to justify homosexual behavior in man since it is perceived to be evident among animals. All I can do is point out what the bible says and pray that you understand.

I'm sure you are at least somewhat familiar with the stories of the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and why those two cities were destroyed. You might believe that these stories don't matter since what happened was so long ago. I was watching tv the other day and Hillary Clinton was being asked about certain events that took place under her watch in Libya. She piped up and attempted to put her inquisitors on the defensive by asking them, 'What does it matter now?' This was a vain attempt on her part to say that since fours years have passed thus her guilt no longer matters since she has moved on to other things. So, you might think that because what happened in the bible was so long ago that it doesn't matter now. Well, it does.

God doesn't intervene when things are going well for us. He intervenes when things are about to explode. And what is happening with homosexuality and other sin is only pushing us closer to the brink of destruction. This is why I choose to identify myself as someone who believes that homosexuality in mankind is detestable. The bible tells us to sigh and cry out against the abomination of the land. And this I choose to do. I hope you find my answer useful.

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Old 08-02-2016, 03:00 PM

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And what is happening with homosexuality and other sin is only pushing us closer to the brink of destruction. This is why I choose to identify myself as someone who believes that homosexuality in mankind is detestable. The bible tells us to sigh and cry out against the abomination of the land. And this I choose to do. I hope you find my answer useful.
Thank God for homosexuals, for creating homosexual humans and animals.

Homosexual couples adopt young orphaned children who would otherwise never be raised in a safe, loving home. And meanwhile so many heterosexual couples neglect their own children.

Which is the worse sin?
To be homosexual but provide a good home for helpless orphan children?
Or to be heterosexual but abuse children?

Surely the salvation of innocent children is the opposite of your adamant belief in "destruction."

If we are ALL born with sin, surely some "sins" are much worse than others.

It is what we do despite being born with sin that God recognizes.

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Old 08-02-2016, 05:45 PM

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Thank God for homosexuals, for creating homosexual humans and animals.

Homosexual couples adopt young orphaned children who would otherwise never be raised in a safe, loving home. And meanwhile so many heterosexual couples neglect their own children.

Which is the worse sin?
To be homosexual but provide a good home for helpless orphan children?
Or to be heterosexual but abuse children?

Surely the salvation of innocent children is the opposite of your adamant belief in "destruction."

If we are ALL born with sin, surely some "sins" are much worse than others.

It is what we do despite being born with sin that God recognizes.
If I believe that homosexuality is a destructive behavior then why would I accept that a homosexual can provide a good home for children?

Your premise of an either/or scenario is false. Your question forces me to choose homosexuality over heterosexual abuse, or at least the possibility thereof. I equate children being introduced into a household that engages in what the bible says is sinful behavior as abuse. And abuse is abuse whether it comes from a heterosexual or a homosexual.

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Old 08-02-2016, 07:11 PM

Funny thing is, you could personally be friends or friendly with a homosexual and not even know it. The waitresses you meet could be lesbians and you wouldn't even know. And you will still give them a good tip because they are nice to you as part of their job and because they don't know you think people like them are destructive sinners.

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Old 08-02-2016, 08:58 PM

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Funny thing is, you could personally be friends or friendly with a homosexual and not even know it. The waitresses you meet could be lesbians and you wouldn't even know. And you will still give them a good tip because they are nice to you as part of their job and because they don't know you think people like them are destructive sinners.
I've had a few homosexual neighbors and, believe it or not, I've gotten along well with them. The same goes for several co-workers.

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Old 08-04-2016, 04:26 PM

That is good, Mr. Wrong. It sounds like you do get to know people as individuals without imposing any judgment on them because of their sexual orientation. Unfortunately there are also many people who believe homosexuals are sinners and immediately mistreat people they don't even know because of this one characteristic.

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Old 08-05-2016, 04:46 AM

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That is good, Mr. Wrong. It sounds like you do get to know people as individuals without imposing any judgment on them because of their sexual orientation. Unfortunately there are also many people who believe homosexuals are sinners and immediately mistreat people they don't even know because of this one characteristic.
Truth be told, no one mistreats homosexuals more than the Democrats.

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Old 08-06-2016, 08:36 PM

Do you have any specific examples

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Do you have any specific examples
I do. The Democrats take for granted the gay vote and have for years. The same applies to blacks. It was only recently that Hillary Clinton joined a gay pride parade in NYC and openly endorsed gay marriage. She had not prior. And this was after the shootings in Orlando. During that very same parade, a long banner which read "Republican hate kills" was on full display.

It was soon learned that the Orlando killer was himself a registered Democrat. But no one in the gay community ever spoke up about that, nor did the media make a big fuss over it. Now, had the shooter been a Republican, white, and male, World War Three would have broken out.

And so this all isn't just about taking advantage of this group or that group, it's about taking advantage of literally everyone. Obama has brought in all these muslims and now we are all paying the price with those mass shootings. This is not accidental.

No one from the Democrat party has apologized for those 49 dead in Orlando. Not Hillary. Not Obama. Not any Democrat. And they don't need to since at least more than a few at that gay pride parade chose to blame Republicans for what happened instead of the real culprits like those they continually vote for.

This is insanity. There is no other explanation for it. The bible says that a darkness will cover the land and a gross darkness the people. This gross darkness means insanity, wickedness, and corruption. And the evidence is all there if you pay enough attention. How many times have you seen a politician or celebrity get away with crimes in spite of such overwhelming evidence of their guilt? It happens almost on a weekly basis now and isn't letting up.

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Old 08-14-2016, 02:46 AM

Its called freewill its what was giving to everybody angels and humans ...

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Old 08-14-2016, 07:39 AM

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Its called freewill its what was giving to everybody angels and humans ...
I am nullifying your freewill.

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How many times have you seen a politician or celebrity get away with crimes in spite of such overwhelming evidence of their guilt? It happens almost on a weekly basis now and isn't letting up.
the same seems to be happening with rich white men getting away with raping intoxicated and unconscious women or only serving short sentences for such a heinous crime even when there were witnesses to the crime. I don't know if you have been following the news on that

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Old 08-21-2016, 08:08 AM

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the same seems to be happening with rich white men getting away with raping intoxicated and unconscious women or only serving short sentences for such a heinous crime even when there were witnesses to the crime. I don't know if you have been following the news on that
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Isiah 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Rich white men have been getting away with heinous crimes of all sorts ever since there have been rich white men. I quote scripture again to show that the bible plainly states that corruption and wickedness are going to worsen in the last days. We see on the news and in our own lives these corrupt politicians getting away with crime after crime.

Did you hear about the DNC staffer who was murdered? No real uproar about that anywhere in the news. Now imagine if an RNC staffer had been murdered; the news media would pin that murder on Trump in a heartbeat.

Insanity is what were are dealing with. That's what this gross darkness is.
Terrorist attacks. Riots. Rampant corruption. Beheadings.
You have to be blind not to see the signs of the times we are living in.

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Old 08-21-2016, 05:03 PM

Do you think we are in the last days now because of all these terrible things happening?

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Do you think we are in the last days now because of all these terrible things happening?
Yes I do. I've ignored the teachings of the bible until recently and have decided to get back on track. I knew Obama was bad news from the get go, but I hadn't truly given much thought as to how bad things have become and why until recently. The deception from the media is astonishing. The omissions and lies are staggering.

Bill O' Reilly had photos of Obama from 2007 dressed in Muslim garb, but chose not to release these photos until recently. So that makes the world's greatest jounalist (or at least O' Reilly thinks so) a liar by omission. I never gave much thought to the folks who claimed Obama was a Muslim until I saw Darrel Dumas air photos of Obama in Muslim garb only a few months ago. You can find out who Darrel Dumas is by Googling his name or Touching Hands Ministries. His website isn't top notch, but his message is.

And there is much more I've become aware in recent weeks that I won't mention here because no one would believe it or it would be too upsetting for most. Stuff I've heard about a long time ago has again resurfaced and has caused me to more carefully consider what I thought I knew or perceived as foolishness. A few things I thought I knew have been turned upside down.

I know I probably seem pretty far out there, but there is evidence for what I believe if you care to stop what you're doing and take a good look. People are so distracted and caught up with themselves, that they can be told anything and believe it. My sister-in-law showed me this video of a young man walking into the path of a slow-moving car and is angered that his nearly being hit has interrupted his quest to capture pokemons. He is so upset by this that he yells obscenities, nearly becomes violent, and makes a vulgar gesture with his backside.

And there is an entire generation of young people ensnared by this foolishness. They just don't seem to care about anything beyond their cell phones and it's a situation that will only lead to our downfall. Send me a pm if you want to learn more about some of my scarier discoveries.

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Old 08-25-2016, 12:18 AM

if you want to post them here, mr. wrong, I don't think people will mind reading about it

this is all very interesting

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Old 08-25-2016, 04:53 AM

I'd like to know your thoughts, too, Mr wrong.

 


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