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littoJen
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09-30-2008, 10:47 PM
I feel this is a very important issue because I am a animal lover and my state is planning on Banning Pitbulls because my State feels that Pitbulls are a "Dangiest Animal"..Which I don't feel that is true. I used to own a Pitbull ,But I have to give her away Since I lived in a small place and she was a very hyper dog. I wanted her to have a better live , living in a bigger house and a yard to run around in. giving her up was one of the hardest things I had to do.She was one of the sweetest dogs I ever met.
But the point in making this entry is basey letting people know a Pitbull is just like any dog, nothing different ,as long as you treat it good and train them. The only reason why a Pitbull turns bad is because of their owners not the dog. I feel the State is just looking for the easy way out by banning the breed, What they should be looking at is the owners that train their dogs in dog fighting. People need to understand everything a Pitbull has done was always in the serves of a human. Even when Pitbulls fight , there were people bidding on it.
so I wanna know what do you think of this ban ? is it wrong or is it a good thing?
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Deranged Insanity
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09-30-2008, 11:49 PM
Well I personally have the same exact opinion as you do. (Fellow animal lover) But I hate to say it but pitbulls can be a hazard around children if not raised correctly. But than again ANY dog can be a hazard.
I'm guessing that because of some accidents that have happened over time with pitbulls caused the state to act out this way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when pitbull's clamp their teeth down on something it takes a while for you to get them to let up. So if they were to accidentally bite down on a childs neck or ect. that can be fatal or extremely harmful.
I say blame the people who miss treat animals. They are the reason the state banns things. D<
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Oh! What state banned PitBull's? if you don't mind me asking. :D
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DYKE JONES
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10-01-2008, 12:02 AM
i agree with deranged,
but you have to understand that bulldogs and pitbulls were bred just to fight and kill each other :/
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Ryojo
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10-01-2008, 12:05 AM
It's not the dog's fault. People BREED THEM to be mean. The inbreeding is, among other things, cause this.
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Iltu
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10-01-2008, 12:46 AM
I completely agree. It's the people who breed and raise the pitbull, not the dog it's self. There are no bad breeds, only bad owners. People are ridiculous when it comes to sterotyping these poor creatures. Why, I saw a special on Animal Planet, and there was this family that owned two pitbulls, trhey had kids, and it was just precious! The pitbulls were angelic.
50% of the dogs seized from Michael Vick (most of which are, of course, Pitbulls) have been rehabilitated and are happily living with families- if this is AFTER they have been raised to be vicious, imagine what a wonderful dog they can be when they're raised in a good and loving home!
They fact that when they attack or bite, they're hard to stop is a problem, and I do know that that is an issue, but many pitbulls don't ever even bite, let alone attack, ESPECIALLY when they're raised well.
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Little Miss Flip-Flops
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10-01-2008, 01:03 AM
THAT IS SO UNFAIR, my cousin has a pitbull that he rescued from a shelter and she is SOooo sweet, pitbulls, while they can be dangerous, so can any dog if not trained correctly, I mean pitbulls are just given a bad name because of some people who don't treat/train them correctly!
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littoJen
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10-01-2008, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Deranged Insanity
Well I personally have the same exact opinion as you do. (Fellow animal lover) But I hate to say it but pitbulls can be a hazard around children if not raised correctly. But than again ANY dog can be a hazard.
I'm guessing that because of some accidents that have happened over time with pitbulls caused the state to act out this way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when pitbull's clamp their teeth down on something it takes a while for you to get them to let up. So if they were to accidentally bite down on a childs neck or ect. that can be fatal or extremely harmful.
I say blame the people who miss treat animals. They are the reason the state banns things. D<
EDIT;
Oh! What state banned PitBull's? if you don't mind me asking. :D
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I agree dogs can be hazard if not trained. But my pitbull I adopted was inbreed and was very mouthly ( meaning it like to bite.. not hard tho since she was 3 months old) So I started to train her not to mouth people or other animals and when I wanted to take something from her all I needed to do was hand out my hand and she backs away. I say any problem can be fixed as along as the owner is willing to spend time to fix the problem and understand dogs needs and point of view.te state I'm talking abot is new york
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Mama Juru
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10-01-2008, 01:17 AM
We have neighbors with a male and female pitbull. They are the BIGGEST lumps of love you've ever seen in your life. Never mind the fact that the male's head is probably as big as a basketball and my son could ride him like a horse (there's a boxer in the neighborhood about the same size and just as lovable) but there isn't an ounce of meanness in any of those dogs. They'll sometimes get in my car to go for a ride so I end up driving them back home, but they're happy regardless.
My mother gets mad because I don't keep the kids away from them. She's in the camp of "OMG PITBULL! RUN! HIDE!". If those dogs ever actually worked up the ambition to bite someone I would be very surprised. They would have to feel seriously SERIOUSLY threatened.
Now, we did also have a neighbor once that had a mother pitbull and a pup. The pup was cute and friendly but the mother was skiddish and afraid of everything. We found out why. We saw them beating on her with a belt in the back yard one day. We called the police and my "protector of animals and small children" daughter went out and started yelling at the woman with the belt (my daughter's 14 years old and I didn't stop her or discipline her when all the potty mouth words came spewing forth. she was mad!). The woman just hung her head and went in the house. They moved shortly afterwards.
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DYKE JONES
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10-01-2008, 01:47 AM
i wasn't trying to stereotype the breed D;
just mainly saying that's how the state looks at it.
it's a shame they have to see it that way
pitbulls are so funny xD
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Sho-Shonojo
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10-01-2008, 02:35 AM
I think your state is just dodging the issue by banning the dog. Any dog can be brought up to be violent if the owner doesn't treat it right. Pitbulls get a bad rap, but that'd because the owners make them violent and bred them for that. Now everyone thinks that they're evil dogs. It's the owners fault. The state might get them banned, but then another "dangerous" breed will pop up as owners continue to care for their animals wrong.
I had to roll my eyes when my grandmother told me that my uncle had been "attacked" by a group of pitbulls. She seemed more afraid about the kind of dog, more then the fact that there was a group of dogs running amok without owners to control them.
I recently adopted a dog that is part Great Pyrenees and part German Shepard. He's very afraid of people he doesn't know, and bit my dad(who can be a bit intimidating). My dad wants to get rid of him and avoid the problem, but I know that we have to take responsibility and try to turn him around, otherwise someone else would have the same problem. Violent dogs are the fault and responsibility of the owner.
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10-01-2008, 06:26 AM
I actually find pitbulls on of the sweetest breads of dog. They can be intimidating but if raised right they are the biggest sweet hearts of the dog world. My dog was a complete mutt, she was pit bull, rottweiler, and some sort of Shepard mix. And that dog wouldn't hurt anyone, no matter how much you laid on her, poked her, rolled on her, hugged her, annoyed the hell out her she wouldn't hurt anyone. The most she would do is whine and lick your hand. D: I miss her.
Most pitbulls I know are very sweet. D:
That makes me sad, instead banning the dog, they should ban stupid owners.
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littoJen
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10-01-2008, 02:07 PM
But the good news is Banning Pitbull is very hard to do. Since Pitbulls is not a official breed or listed in the AFC. So Banning Pitbull is like racial profiling because there is no way to tell if a dog is really a Pitbull unless you wanna base it on looks alone.People right now is starting to DNA testing their Pitbull to see what breed is it. most of the time it will never turn out to be listed at a Pitbull since Pitbull isn't a listed as a real breed.
My firend tested her Pure breed Pitbull ..his parent to show dogs and it came out that my firend's pitbull is really a Lab, border collie and bull dog mix. Meaning she has proof its not a Pitbull.
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10-01-2008, 04:58 PM
I don't think they should. I do think there should be certain conditions and restrictions that their owners should meet, before being allowed to own one.
I agree with you to some extent, about it being the owners fault that dogs go bad. They allow the animals to get into situations, where their natural violent behaviour can come through.
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Winter Storm
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10-01-2008, 05:10 PM
Well, the thing about Pitbulls is, it's not even how you raise them.
There is a chemical imbalance in their brain that causes them to snap, and they get hostile. It may or may not happen with any pit...but even the smallest things could set it off.
That's where the training comes in, though. If they're trained to be giant pussies, then the chances of that happening are kinda slim.
But yeah, I agree with the law that says you need a licence for a pit, and it should be a law that they are professionally trained.
Also, it shouldn't be legal for them to know any command that displays any form of agression. As for getting rid of them completely, I think that's a sad thing to do...that's mean.
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10-01-2008, 06:07 PM
What state? I personally don't really have an opinion on if pitbulls should be banned because I never really liked them anyway XD The fact is though, any dog can be dangerous if they're raised wrong or abused.
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Kah Hilzin-Ec
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10-02-2008, 12:26 AM
They sometimes bite people cause the stereotypes they have on them, makes owners treat them badly, and raise them to be resented against humans. Here in my country this has been an issue since most people don't like big barking dogs [>.<] and thus, they keep them in a cage, in the garage, or w/e way to jail it so they can't get much human contact if any. So when they break out, what do you expect? A puppy with little teeth and a grieving look? Heh, even I would go and bite my owner for treating me like a slave.
PS: Banning a dog breed is almost as ridiculous as banning black people. Pfft.
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Harmony Gurl
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10-02-2008, 04:10 AM
I don't think they should be Banned, I own a pit. and shes very nice.......You just have to teach them correctly.
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10-02-2008, 11:37 PM
A dog's breed has less of an effect on how it acts than how it's raised does.
Ban stupid people that abuse their dogs. Not the breed itself.
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Lathrine
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10-03-2008, 01:09 AM
I don't own a dog, and haven't ever seen a Pitbull and I know that part of is the owner's fault for being a dick to the dog, and part of it is just bred into them. But seriously, it's just ridiculous to ban a breed of dogs that were bred to fight and, in a lot of cases, just trained and raised very poorly. Treat them nicely and with kindness when you're training them, and the chances of them snapping are very slim. If you're mean and whip them when you're training them... you have to face the consequences for what you did to them. It's not exactly the animals fault - they can't control what they were bred to do, and whipping/beating them isn't going to help things in the least.
It's like with our cats - I liked to play with one of our kitties when she was little, and now she gets her revenge on me by biting my ankles. :insane: If I was gentler with her when I was playing, she probably wouldn't like biting my ankles so much. Or maybe she would. You can never tell with cats... > .>
All I have left to say at the moment is: Kindness will get you further then violence will. :)
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Aranel
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10-03-2008, 02:35 AM
Like others have said, the pitbulls themselves are hardly to blame.
It's the inbreeding, the way they're raised to fight and maul, the cruelty is shown to a large number of them, and the reluctance people seem to have to look after and give them a chance.
If one spends time with a pitbull, or any animal or even person for that matter, and is willing to go through hard work and a little bit of effort; then the dog would be as loving as a retriever.
And I should know, because I helped my aunty look after a bunch of different dogs she takes from shelters. She's one of the trainers, you know, the people who take the trouble-maker dogs and teaches them how to behave?
Well I've found that pitbulls are actually the most responsive to the training, it does take a lot more work and effort, that's for sure, but it ranges from dog to dog, and in the end they're the most loving, protective and loyal doggies I've ever come across.
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I'm annoyed that your state is condemning an entire breed for faults that aren't their own.
It's not very fair in my eyes.
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Jemii
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10-03-2008, 04:46 AM
I used to think that pitbulls were mean dogs until I learned more about them.
In fact, a pitbull is one of the best dogs you can have, and based on natural aggression, BEAGLES are more dangerous than pitbulls are.
Pitbulls are particularly amazing dogs, and thought to be some of the best to have, simply because they are just so absolutely eager to please their owners.
So yes, it is in fact the owner that makes the dog mean, and gives the breed a bad rep.
I don't think it's fair for them to be banned completely. I do, however, think that extensive background checks and assessments should be done on people looking to adopt one.
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10-03-2008, 08:45 AM
As with Pitbulls, ANY dog can become violent. For instance, I have heard of a lot of cases where German Shepherds turned aggressive and caused injury's to humans. The breed that law enforcement use. Why should it be any different?
But see, in some ways I do understand the cause for concern. Pitbulls are being bred on a daily basis for dog fighting. Dog fighting is becoming an increased problem throughout the entire country. In fact, we have seen an increase of Pitbulls in my neighborhood. Just a few weeks ago, a Pitbull running on the loose, killed two neighborhood cats, and terrorized some yards.
But when it comes down to it, it's not the animals fault, nor their breed. It's the owners fault. I completely disagree with banning an animals breed, plain and simple. But, I do feel that there should be a law for breeders, or people whom are found breeding Pitbulls. Breeders should be inspected, to make sure that the dogs are not being bred for anything other than to be a pet.
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10-03-2008, 11:14 AM
I don't like pitbulls at all.
I got attacked by one.
They are attack dogs and I reckon that unless they can change that, pitbulls should be put down.
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car-crash-hearts
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10-03-2008, 12:20 PM
I Think That Pitbulls Shouldn't Be Banned Because My Sister Had One And He Was The Sweetest Dog Ever. When I Slept Over There He Would Cuddle Up Next To Me.
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10-03-2008, 01:10 PM
I don't think Pit Bulls should be banned. It's not the breed in itself, but it is the way that people raise and train the dogs.
My dog is a schnauzer/poodle mix. He's the sweetest dog. We bought him when he was four months old from breeders who didn't take care of their dogs very well. He was healthy (Thank God), but he wasn't socizlized at all and now he's very scared of other animals, people, and moving objects. It doesn't help that he was a bit inbred. So, he can be seen as agressive, but in reality he's scared.
By nature and breeding, many people do not like other dogs, but they're not bred to attack humans.
Also, in how many biting cases was it the human's fault?
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