NO No No Marriage is defined as a union between a man and woman. Again no problem with a relationship and equal spousal benifits but dont call it marriage. That is not a marriage. If they want to get "married" then marry someone of the opposite sex.

Why can't we just re-define it as a legal union between two consenting unrelated adults?

I mean, we're allowed to change laws.

We did abolish slavery.

And we made alcohol illegal. And then re-legal.

And we've changed the voting age. And given blacks and women the right to vote.

Just sayin'. We can change it. So why don't we?

Originally Posted by Dream Weaver

NO No No Marriage is defined as a union between a man and woman. Again no problem with a relationship and equal spousal benifits but dont call it marriage. That is not a marriage. If they want to get "married" then marry someone of the opposite sex.

Why is marriage is a union between a man and a woman?
Is redefining something a negative thing?
How does two men or two women being together in a union affect you in anyway whatsoever? Have gay married couples in Iowa harmed you in anyway whatsoever?

Interracial marriage used to be illegal. They claimed that marriage between two people of differing races was immoral and unnatural. But, then they redefined marriage to allot for interracial couples. Did that maim the name of marriage then? Will redefining marriage today maim it?

yes i agree with it i could see nothing wrong about it.. it's about feelings not just some stupid documents....

Originally Posted by Dream Weaver

NO No No Marriage is defined as a union between a man and woman.

No it's not. Marriage has no specifications of gender in civil union. Note how even FMA failed to get through Congress. Fine if, say, religion doesn't support it, but nobody's forcing churches to recognize gay marriages.

That said, yes, I support gay marriage. I never personally saw the problem with it. If anybody can give me any reason why gay marriage-- or, for that matter, homosexuality in general-- is a problem, then I'm all ears. And no weasel words like, "it's just wrong..." That's not an argument, that's a badly-built escape hatch. :feesh:

I support gay marriage. You get married because you love someone. Period. If a man loves another man, or if a woman loves a woman, they should be able to get married. Marriage should not be redefined; marriage should just be accepted as a bond between two people that love each other, not just a man and a woman.

What really chaps my ass is the chaos that the opposers believe will happen if it's legalized. Several countries in Europe, along with Canada, have legalized it. And guess what! Their economies didn't collapse, Hell didn't raise up and eat them all, and their societies are doing a-ok (as far as I know.)

What also gets me is the argument that gay marriage will open doors to things like polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia, and all that. Now, I'm all for polygamy, so long as all parties agree and no domestic violence is involved. But, animals and children are not consenting adults that can sign a marriage license.

And, I hate it when people say they need to protect the sanctity of marriage. If that's the case, then why is divorce legal (in the US, anyway?)

WARNING: This post is gonna be chock full of typos and misspellings because i just plain suck at it. You are warned.

I'm for it. In the golden ages of humanity gay wasn't realy known like it is now. Like the Greeks (old topic i know). The Greeks believed that to have a relationship with the same sex it could only be done with a pure heart and mind. other wise a darkness would consume you. it was thought that when u had a relationship with a person of the same sex you gained a sense of oneness and shared spirit and knolwdge (sp?). now lets be honest, thats a better reason for people to get married then most ppl get maried for today. and the idea that people are aginst it because its aginst religion is silly. if your religion is aginst it then ur probably not gay (not true in all cases i understand). but thats a seperate issue for religions to overcome. the legal part though, shouldnt be. people go to the courts to get married all the time with no religion involved. the reason why state made marriage a leagal issue is for taxes and property and thing like such. it had nothing to do with religion anymore. so i know im rambling but short story, im for it. its a legal issue, not a religios one.

Well, they just made it legal in DC, there's no reason why the USA couldn't adopt the legalization of this nationwide.

And I still hold the dictum that our country was founded on the freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and liberty. Gay marriage does NOT hurt or affect other people no matter how or which ways you argue it. That would be like me saying that the marriage or divorce of mary sue and bobby in Utah made me want to kill myself--frankly, I don't care and it's their personal business of what they want to do with their lives. That's what America is all about.

As long as our legislation still holds back particular liberties such as this, it defeats the purpose of personal choice and puts shame and contradiction to what we stand for.

I'm more embarrassed for the fact that we're supposed to be such a great western power, and we still have yet to discard our traditional biases against homosexuals while the rest of the world is doing fine(if not BETTER) than us.

Although I am not interested in people that are the same gender as me, I don't mind friends that are bi/homo-sexual (and on a plus side, it seems as if there are more and more people that seems to support gay relationships and marriage :) ) I DO NOT like that people that would like to marry are banned from doing so. If people love each other and would like to get married they should do so. I swear, just because of the law, there's going to be, like, a ton of Romeo & Juliet couples with a few that will totally end up like Romeo and Juliet or (like a super-small portion) will end up like Taylor Swift's love story ;)

I don't see any harm in it. No matter if it does or doesn't go against whatever religion you are, how is it hurting you for it to happen? It really has no effect on anyone else but those getting married.

I think it shud be allowed... as long as they're happy and nobody is getting hurt its fine by me... just dont involve me in that kinda thing, i dont role that way :p

love is love and two people should be able to be joined by marriage if they wish to. i don't however beleive that churches of certain religions should be forced to accept this, and produce it. if the church is against it they should not have to go against their beleifs. there are churches that do condole marrying same-sex couples, and if it is welcome then i am all for it. but just like same-sex couples want the right to their beleifs and values, it is hypocritical of members of the homosexual/lesbian community to think that all religions, places, people etc should accept them/bend their own beleifs to please them. i live in a free country and to me that means freedom of self expression, religion, sexuality, beleifs, morality, politics... i could go on. point being, yae for gay marriage being recognized by the law & government.

I wholly support gay marriage. Love is love no matter what anyone saids (unless it‘s with a child or an animal.. I support only love that can be returned and understood though, haha). Everyone deserves to marry the person they love regardless of gender. If you truly have issues with it, just ignore it. I’m sure all the people who don’t support gay marriage has something a group of people don’t support about them either.

If anything, think of it this way: A ton of people didn’t support the idea of equal rights for blacks, but it happened eventually anyway. Guess what, the same will happen with gay marriages too. Best to just calm down and accept it. (To be blunt and to the point.)

Gay marriage all the way! Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a close-minded idiot with a god-complex as far as I'm concerned. There is NOTHING wrong with it. If you take out any and all religious factors, there's absolutely nothing bad with gay marriage. And claiming that they shouldn't get married because they won't have children? That's just stupid. What about the single parents? The male/female married couples that never have kids? The ones that can't? Are they unsuitable for marriage, too? Who are we to say they can't marry? If anything, it's great that gays would marry! If they do want kids, then they can adopt, taking a poor kid out of the foster care system or orphanage. Me thinks all those who don't want gay marriage also want more orphans in the world. Sad sad sad...

----------

P.S. With the whole thing about churches being the people to marry others, no. ANYONE can get a license to marry. You don't have to be a preacher or whatever, and you don't have to have all the words in the ceremony. When I got married, one of my husband's army friends got his license to marry, and I wrote down what I wanted him to say, and he did it. The words were pretty, but in reality it's all the legal stuff that people have to sign afterwards that really count and make the marriage valid. It doesn't have to have anything to do with the curch if you don't want it to.

I don't know if this has ever been asked, but it is purely out of the fact that I'm just that little bit curious.
Do you think gay marriage is wrong? Maybe your reason has something to do with your religion? If that is the case, may you explain to me a bit about this as well?

In my opinion, I believe gay marriage is just like a hetro marriage. The two being married love eachother, and that is all that's seen in a marriage from my view. I don't see why gays marriage should be any different from a 'normal' marriage.

Yours truly
Jasper Von Viktor :yumeh2:

There's already a topic about this.

As this is a repeat thread, i'll just go ahead and merge the two. :)

I'll put it this way:
In the constitutin it states that marriage is a unity between two people.
so, it is their constitutional right to marry as it is not exactly gender specific.

secondly, since the constitution refers to marriage as being two people, It's not very likely that they would make animalism legal, or marrying inatimate objects for that matter.

third, it's like not letting a certain race get married. We put people into categories (ie:blacks, gays, whites). We think of them as a different type of people, a race almost. We don't realize this because they have widespread physical differences. Our category of gays is not based on appearance, as it is for other "races" but on their personal lifestyle, by which we shouldn't have any concern about.

so, when you ask yourself "should gays be allowed to marry?" try asking "should people have their constitutional right to get married?" it's the same question.

@padfootsy- we also have a little thing called freedom of religion. Churches cannot and will not be forced to marry a gay couple as it is their constitutional right to deny any act that goes against their religious beliefs. you cannot make a court case on something that is not illegal.

i agree with slickie

I am all for Gay marriage.
Marriage started out as a Pegan ritual to combine two souls.
Whether you hold a religious aspect to it or not, what is it hurting?
When people love each other, they should be allowed to marry.
And not just for love, but for the spousal benefits.
As a legally married couple, there are tax breaks, insurance is easier to find, and God forbid, if one passes away, the spouse will receive what ever assets the deceased one had left, which is how it should be.
A person is a person, no matter what their sexual preference and they should have all the same rights as any other person, marriage included.

i mean... why shouldnt they be allowed??
if two people wanted to be together before god,, then let them be.

They should be allowed to marry as it is a civil right, i mean i can understand the catholic church's bitching about it... but i am not arguing against the religious marriage... I am arguing for the civil right of marriage between two people... I believe anyone regardless of they physical arrangment should be allowed to marry whom they love.


Think about this for a change... what about the hermaphrodites?!

Where do they fit in this argument?!?!

this is almost bitching against people with one eye not being allowed to marry...

Gays/Lesbians should deffinately be allowed to marry. Love is love. Why should they be deprived of it because another doesn't agree? D:

They are allowed to marry, just not the same gender.

Just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by Inertia

They are allowed to marry, just not the same gender.

Just like everyone else.

Well, that doesnt really count. In other words, they arent allowed to marry. Most gays wouldnt want to marry the opposite gender if they are attracted to the same gender. Which truly isnt fair.