who cares if there gay they are still human inside we all share commen things a heart liver lungs ect. ect. pledge of allegence clearly states WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL! discrimination of any kind for any reason is not giving the person or people justice.

As I have a gay brother, I think everyone should have the equal right to marriage. Regardless of their sexual orientation. I live in Canada, so gay marriage is legal. But it just bugs me listening to debates about it. Like no one voted on your marriage, so why do you feel the right to vote on someone else's? I just don't understand. If you don't agree with it, fine. No one is asking you to marry another member of your gender, or to attend a gay wedding (so on and so forth)..I think we should each keep to our own.

Lets face it, gay marriage will be allowed sooner or later across America. It will happen, because not granting these rights, just seems a little unconstitutional.

I think that in 10 or so years, looking back at this, the government will be like, 'How could have we been so stupid?'. And I think we will have a lot of hypocritical politicians, who currently are against it for their platforms. Once it is legal, I can imagine several of them will change their view points to be with the more progressive times.

I wish I agreed with you, Wynna, but when you consider that we still have people who are against interracial couples, let alone marriages...I'm not holding my breath.

It dont bother me, if someone wants to marry someone else of the same sex i say its there life not mine, i can control them?
Life is life, live your own and grow up. who cares if they get married there not bothering you? Unless there hitting on you and your stright, lol.
Like there no different than anyone else.
And I agree with gay marrages when one of the people are born half and half, mainly because their parents than have to pick the sex of the child and he/she may grow up loving the same sex because their parents picked the wrong gender.
So either which way i say I agree.

Originally Posted by Demonic.Angel

And I agree with gay marrages when one of the people are born half and half, mainly because their parents than have to pick the sex of the child.

Demonic.Angel:What do you mean by half and half?

Originally Posted by Philomel

I wish I agreed with you, Wynna, but when you consider that we still have people who are against interracial couples, let alone marriages...I'm not holding my breath.

Philomel: I can't believe that we still have people who think like that. I think, rather I hope, that in a few generations (the sooner the better) that this mind set will be no more. However, an opinion in a family can be very long-lasting.

i know some people that are gay.... and i think they have the right to get married, if a man and women can; than a gay cupl shod be abou tol

Originally Posted by Wynna

Demonic.Angel:What do you mean by half and half?

Some people are born half boy half girl like waist down boy and waist up girl or vise-versa .

I say yes to gay marrige!

I love my boyfriend to death, and, though I don't think we're going to get married, I would like the choice to do as I please.

I don't see why people care if gays get married or not. If they really are going to hell or whatever, then that's their problem, not anyone elses. Why should anyone else care? I really hate people who say no and their reason is, "It's against the bible." Not all gay people are Christian, and even if it is against the bible, it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE PEOPLE!

Arrg. I've made my point.

How does a gay person's marriage exactly "ruin" a straight person's marriage?

That said, I am in favor of gay marriage.

Demonic.Angel: oh okay. I didn't know what you meant. Thanks for clearing that up :)
I heard a term describing that those individuals prefer the term intersexual.
It's also similar to where a boy/girl is born physically a boy/girl, but on the inside they feel that they are the opposite gender.

...I think I'm getting a bit of topic here.

But ya, I think marriage for all!

ha. yah.
there were episodes on csi about it :p
But I agree anyone should be aloud to get married.

I think it is really sad that people who want everyone to conform to their beliefs want to impose their will on free people. I think a person should be able to love whomever they want to love meaning they are of legal age. I am definitely in favor of gay marriage.

Originally Posted by iinsanely Sane

@Philomel and Lapin:
Adoption isn't wrong, and no, I'm not saying you HAVE to have kids if you marry, I'm just saying it usually does, since its about being together and whatever. Isn't two males or two females looking after a kid slightly... wrong? I mean, doesn't a child need balance?

Um, well, no. Kids are raised in all sorts of crazy family units these days; the times where you're raised by a mother and father together in one house seems to be fairly dead (where I am, at least). I think it's been proven that a child really doesn't need a male and a female influence to be "normal".

Yeah Fabby your right. My parents are married, but my dad's been a trucker since before my 27 year old sister was born. Needless to say my sister, my brother( now 24) and me (19) never really had much male influence in our lives. My dad is only home for a week a month, and special holidays (Christmas, thanksgiving, easter... he used to get Halloween off when we were little, so he could take us trick-or-treating, but as we grew up that became less and less common).

The three of us turned out pretty well adjusted. So no, you don't need the influence of both sexes growing up. My brother is proof you don't even need same-sex influence (try growing up in a house with 3 females, not including female pets).
That ideal shouldn't even be a factor in same-sex marriages. There is no question, it should be allowed. I'm very happy Canada is smart enough to realize love comes in so many different forms.

OH! And those that talk about kids and adoption. Me and my bf sometimes talk about how everyone can see us eventually getting married... Except he wants kids and I only want to adopt.... I'm not giving birth so does that make me a bad bi-sexual in a straight relationship? Should I not be allowed to marry, (hypothetically) my boyfriend since it's not going to lead to kids?

Originally Posted by Fabby

Um, well, no. Kids are raised in all sorts of crazy family units these days; the times where you're raised by a mother and father together in one house seems to be fairly dead (where I am, at least). I think it's been proven that a child really doesn't need a male and a female influence to be "normal".

Children don't need both a mother and father - I totally agree. To be blunt, alot of messed up people in the world have had both mothers and fathers.

The bible pretty much says that gay marriage is an abomination. The bible also says that you shouldn't wear clothes of more than one fabric, you shouldn't shave, etc.

Originally Posted by Zweres

The bible pretty much says that gay marriage is an abomination. The bible also says that you shouldn't wear clothes of more than one fabric, you shouldn't shave, etc.

Actually, the bible doesn't say anything about gay marriage. There's a lot about prostitution, "sodomy" (which lacks any real context), rape, having sex with adolescent boys, adultery in general, raping angels, male concubines, and huge orgies.

But it doesn't say anything about men or women marrying their own sex.

Actually, if we look at how marriage was defined back then (essentially, if you had sex with someone, you were considered married to them, which is why 'adultery' included pre-marital sex), *outlawing* gay marriage is the only abomination, as it is essentially forcing people to sin. A number of disciples and other important religious figures seemed to suggest that sex was something that, if you needed it, you needed it; one, Paul maybe, says that people ideally should never marry and never have sex, but if they "must" have sex, they should marry. So basically, far from defending Christian values, marriage opponents are actually intentionally tempting people to sin.

Originally Posted by Keyori

Actually, the bible doesn't say anything about gay marriage. There's a lot about prostitution, "sodomy" (which lacks any real context), rape, having sex with adolescent boys, adultery in general, raping angels, male concubines, and huge orgies.

But it doesn't say anything about men or women marrying their own sex.

Let's look at the big picture instead of looking towards specific nuances. Gay people simply don't have the rights that others enjoy.

Right, but opponents use the Bible to justify a stance against giving gays those rights, which is clearly ignorant to the content of that very book.

Theres no reason a living, caring, feeling human shouldn't be able to marry another living, careing, feeling human that they love. I read something just the other day on this subject. Where it is quite funny it speaks the truth in my opinion and actually is a bit sad if you think about it too hard. Here it is:

1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning.

2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans...

@Vixeona, that's an awesome quote with a lot of great points.

In my opinion, there is really no reason for disallowing gay marriage that is not an essentially bigoted one. The best (read: saddest and yet also most ridiculous) one I've heard yet in relation to California's recent court decision, is that "If we allow gay marriage, our schools would have to teach our children that gay marriage is okay, and that would conflict with what I teach at home!" Well for one thing, I don't remember learning at school that ANY marriage was particularly good; the topic just wasn't taught at all, and why would it be? For another thing, it isn't as though kids could never understand the concept that gay marriage might be allowed by the government, but not allowed by his or her religion. Teach your kids your moral and social values at home, and the most they'll be taught at school is probably to not outright and publicly harass another child because he has two moms, for example.

I think that gay's should have the right to marry. I mean Is that not what the 1st amendment is for? freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc. Why should they stop it? It's their own life, not theirs, and surely none of their business. Me personally, I'm straight. However I don't go "Oh your'e wrong for marrying the same sex! blah blah blah!" actually gays are one the most non-racial people I've meet. They don't care that I'm black girl dating a white guy so I have no care if they want to marry the same sex. Love Is love, and should be respected.

I think gays have the right to marry just as any other couple does. It shouldn't matter who we love same gender or not, if they want to be together, who is society to stop them?

Originally Posted by Tijdon

No, gay marriage should not be allowed. Allowing gay marriage will weaken the traditional family values that are essential to a growing society. It will make more cause in later generations to accept homosexuality as a main course for marriage creating mother&father parent ideal to vanish.

Also allowing gay marriage will at sometime create a slope in which polygamy, beastiality, and the marriage to inanimate objects. As there are people who wish those to become legal because there are people, as odd as it may sound, who really wish to marry their vehicles. Polygamy is already in effect and will only take time to be announced legal if gay marriage is legalized. Overall it will create a very slippery slope in which I do not think we would be able to get out of.

Pff Ideal is just an opinion. MY ideal family is a family who loves one another regardless of gender, age, race, or sexual preferences. A growing society? pff we stopped growing in a good way when gangs were introduced to this so-called "ideal family" thing. :/

Dont forget incest. (i promote incest between twins, but nothing else...dont ask why)

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Originally Posted by Tijdon

Because we are unhappy inside and wish no one else to be happy. So we confine them into a minority and disallow them rights.

SPEAK.FOR.YOURSELF. i want people to be happy. how dare you say i am such a selfish beesh!! D:<

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This is one of my favorite topics to debate upon, because I extremely believe in the fact that homosexuals should be allowed to marry. In the Constitution it says equal rights for all. In the 1860s during the Civil War the point was 'equal rights for all men' (it referred to black men but nevertheless). Martin Luther King Junior believed in equal rights for all.
How is it our job to decide who can marry and who can? If you fall in love with somebody, and you know it is meant to be, all you want to do is be with them. Why should it not be allowed that two people who are in love who happen to be of the same gender be married? Who are we, as humans, to dictate who can and can't fall in love/be married. Homosexuals are humans too, like all the rest of it, and they deserve the same rights.
Love doesn't discriminate. Love is blind, as they say. When it comes down to it, gender, race, intelligence, compatibility, mental disabilities, religion, and all of that doesn't matter when it comes to love. Underneath it all, all we want as humans is to love and be loved. Why should we take that human nature away from two people because they both happen to be male or female? It's a form of segregation and discrimination no matter how you look at it.
And for all those people who say 'well, according to the Bible it isn't right', even if you showed me the exact line that said that, which I bet you can't, I'd still say it wouldn't matter. Why? Because our first right in the Bill of Rights is the freedom speech and religion. So just because the Bible you study or the God you worship says it isn't allowed or what not, doesn't mean it's the same and should be the same for others.
I'm completely straight and I support gay marriage with every bit of my being. My oldest sister is a lesbian, and even if she wasn't it wouldn't change my opinion. By not allowing two people to marry, you are taking away their human right. You are not God, and you should not decide who can marry and be in love and who can't. I don't care what society thinks. Love. Is. Love. Simple as that.