There is increasing rumours about the possiblity that Obama will force his Government to release all UFO reports and this makes me wonder what people think? Are there ETs? Are the UFO sightings something extra terrestrial or are they just mistaken sightings of normal things?

This is to debate the existance of UFOs, ETs and general abductions... lol, I shouldn't have to say it but remember, don't taunt people's beliefs or experiances!

I believe firmly that there are ETs. It's true that 9/10 of sightings are mistaken, just something normal that we've been unable to give a name to, but there are still other sightings that make NO sense. And on top of that, I think I have had experiance with ETs and abductions. Won't say I HAVE for fear of sounding like a loony. :P But I've some strange things in my past and there's no explaination for them.
I've also been having some weird dreams...

I don't have enough information or proof to decide for myself whether life forms from different areas visit the earth, but I do believe that there have to be life forms some other places besides earth.

My dad saw a weird...thing in the sky once. He's not the type to make stuff up, so I know he saw something, but I don't know what it was. He was in Atlanta Georgia a long time ago...I think it was in the 70s and he and his nephew saw these 3 lights attached to something that were arranged in a triangle. That in itself isn't so weird, it was the speed that they were going that was weird. The object moved from one side of the sky to another so fast that it was hard to keep up with. It zipped back and forth in the same area, only slowing at the ends. He said it looked like it was scanning something.

Honestly though, just talking about this subject kind of creeps me out. I don't know if I want to know if other beings have come to earth...at least not if they're malevolent. It's just another thing to stress out about.

Quite honestly. Does it really matter? If there is have they bothered us? I mean people fear the fact there may be aliens. Yet, our own race is trying to get to Mars? Are we not alien invaders to any form of life there may be on Mars? I do not really care if there are aliens. They haven't fucked with us if there is.

Originally Posted by Bartuc

I mean people fear the fact there may be aliens. Yet, our own race is trying to get to Mars? Are we not alien invaders to any form of life there may be on Mars?

That's true, I never thought of it like that before. I think the people who fear other life forms aren't the same people trying to get to Mars though.

If the stories are true about people being abducted, probed, stalked and hassled throughout their lives, then I'd say that there is a problem. Far more than sending an unmanned probe to Mars. Now, I haven't had the infamous abduction experience that we've all heard about by now and don't know anyone who has. Makes me wonder if there are wee people on Mars who are freaking out right now because of the seemingly gigantic probes. But, I digress.

It seems entirely plausible to me that there are other forms of life on other planets. If there have been visits to Earth and our governments know about it, part of me thinks it's best to keep us in the dark in order to avoid a panic while the other part would just like to know in order to quit asking myself if the whole UFO thing is worth being paranoid about.

With the increasing number of planets being found orbiting nearby stars. I read in a recent Astronomy Magazine. Astronomers have found an Asteriod Belt the same distance as the one in the area between Mars in Jupiter around Alpha Eirandi distance: 10 Light Years away.Astronomers also found a Jupiter sized Planet orbiting a Red Super Giant that has liquid water. As for Bartuc do you have proof that they haven't? Elmira the Hopi talk about visitors and the Anazi.

Yes, but even when you look at the myths, the historic context they were created in need to be taken into account. Some of the myths can be interpreted as seeing angelic messengers by various religious types, ya know? I find those huge drawings that are etched into the landscape in South America (don't remember which country) really compelling. As far as I know, there isn't a plausible explanation for how they were created or why, but the UFO connection is something I keep hearing as a theory.

Originally Posted by Elmira Swift

If the stories are true about people being abducted, probed, stalked and hassled throughout their lives, then I'd say that there is a problem. Far more than sending an unmanned probe to Mars. Now, I haven't had the infamous abduction experience that we've all heard about by now and don't know anyone who has. Makes me wonder if there are wee people on Mars who are freaking out right now because of the seemingly gigantic probes. But, I digress.

It seems entirely plausible to me that there are other forms of life on other planets. If there have been visits to Earth and our governments know about it, part of me thinks it's best to keep us in the dark in order to avoid a panic while the other part would just like to know in order to quit asking myself if the whole UFO thing is worth being paranoid about.

Let's say they are true. Do we know who abducted who first? If they have abducted people then Area 51 must have aliens there they have either captured or killed. It would be a war that has started. There are no innocents in war, only causalities and prisoners.

Mass panic would be the reason why anyone would keep this from getting out. I mean fuck. Look at the reaction of American's when North Korea had the potential nuke testings and missile launches. That freaked alot of people out. Now imagine an enemy we know nothing about. Do not know how many of them there are. That would be wide-spread panic that no one could control. So until that situation arises there is no need to know or even care.

With the increasing number of planets being found orbiting nearby stars. I read in a recent Astronomy Magazine. Astronomers have found an Asteriod Belt the same distance as the one in the area between Mars in Jupiter around Alpha Eirandi distance: 10 Light Years away.Astronomers also found a Jupiter sized Planet orbiting a Red Super Giant that has liquid water. As for Bartuc do you have proof that they haven't? Elmira the Hopi talk about visitors and the Anazi.

What does that have to do with anything besides state something the scientists cannot physically prove? Oh my god! I can take a picture with a telescope that costs more then I make in a life-time. I can edit a picture in Paint that looks like deep space with an orb looking circle in the middle. How do we know there water on this Red Super Giant? Where is the liquid sample? Is there any proof anywhere to state anything about UFO's or alien life? Hard reliable proof. Not the Enquisitor.
I have yet to hear in all these 'deep space discoveries' of any scientist stating "We know there is life on [x planet]" It has always been "We believe there could be life"

There's life fo-shoo. Thing is, intelligent life? The space is vast, and has as many planets as a beach has sand grains, so there must be. Now, are they that intelligent, so advanced they can travel through such a distance? Also, what kind of life are they? Maybe they live thanks to hidrogen [<example], and are looking for a planet flooded with nitrogen instead of water. And, time. Maybe they stopped existing until a bit before life appeared on Earth. Maybe not.

Thing is, all of that are just suppositions. Theories. Want to her my mom's? She thinks all that sightings are just some new vehicles being tested by the government, and that the little gray men are the offsprings of some early clonation experimenting. I'll just appeal to skepticism.

Now Bartuc, a little bit of stress and panic never hurt anybody, right? I think that comparing the panic of a known agitator (and not the washing machine kind) looms a bit larger than the possibility of an enemy from another planet. I agree with you on that. For me, the whole UFO/ET thing is speculation minus the drama. Sort of like wondering if the sky on another habitable planet is the same color as ours. What if scenarios do not make something a fact.

Originally Posted by Elmira Swift

Now Bartuc, a little bit of stress and panic never hurt anybody, right? I think that comparing the panic of a known agitator (and not the washing machine kind) looms a bit larger than the possibility of an enemy from another planet. I agree with you on that. For me, the whole UFO/ET thing is speculation minus the drama. Sort of like wondering if the sky on another habitable planet is the same color as ours. What if scenarios do not make something a fact.

Actually, panic is worse than the long term fear. Panic causes random reactions. Which now and days could mean anything.
ETL is something that has never bothered me. As my first statement said, who cares? They havent messed with me yet. People are more fearful of the unknown because they do not know what to expect. I never understood why to be honest. I dont fear something I do not know for a fact exists.

@ Bartuc - I know... I was being sarcastic. Panic has gotten us all into some interesting situations that rational thought would have prevented. I think that people are more likely to react to something that is a real - as in, you know that they or their country have made statements against you or your country - versus giant squid creatures landing on the planet and trying to eat us. I grew up during the Cold War, even served in the Navy toward the end of it, and we all thought we were going to blow up the planet.

UFOs coming here? The movie Signs portrayed the type of reaction I'd expect.

Signs was fairly stupid... now, if we do see some grey aliens, we'll panic and freak out.

Speaking of UFOs though, anyone in Kentucky right now?

Nope. GA. I'm not sure if the rampant redneck population scares off the aliens or not, but...

Well, just a thought. Not everyone peeks into the GA, I imagine some bypass and come straight here. UFOs are more htan alien things... I am curious to hear witness accounts while they are still fresh. So let me know if you know someone I can talk to!

I'd been looking into this alien thing and I read some of a book called 'The Custodians'. Has anyone else read this book?

I've never heard a scientist say 'there's life ther!' They only say 'there could be'. And they CAN tell if there's H2O in the atmosphere based on the atmosphere itself, there's ways to read the chemicals in it.

The fact is that we really don't know. I don't honestly think there is other life in our solar system, but in the rest of the endless universe, there is a definite possibility.

I think it would be both vain and naive and a bit sad to think that in the vastness of space we are the only intelligent life. I often look around and think that there is so much proof that we aren't even that intelligent (that might just be Arizonans though). I always hope that they would find irrefutable proof of life, then maybe we would have less warring over religion. That's just my agnostic point of view.

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object.. So yes those exist since thats a term to describe things in the sky if you don't know what they are.. xD ETs? absolutely. The universe in infinite, even though our planet was created by the slimmest odds, so can other planets. Abductions and visitings? Not so much. The Rosewell incident was covered up, but not because of ETs.. because of some government balloon to keep track of nuclear explosions.. I don't mean weather balloons either xD

If our governments have covered up ETs its for a good reason, why cause mass panic?

Originally Posted by Bartuc

Quite honestly. Does it really matter? If there is have they bothered us? I mean people fear the fact there may be aliens. Yet, our own race is trying to get to Mars? Are we not alien invaders to any form of life there may be on Mars? I do not really care if there are aliens. They haven't fucked with us if there is.

If all people thought like that.. "know only what we need to know" then there wouldn't be scientists, there wouldn't be discovery.. >_>

I admit that there may be other forms of life in our solar system, but they would be nothing like us. They may not even need oxygen to live.-being that the other planets are considered uninhabitable- for lack of oxygen.

IF so, it would be very difficult to sot out the hoaxes, mistakes and such from the real thing. I think it is certainally possible for real ones to be out there since we are only one planet among so many.
Many people have created UFOS for the purpose of fooling other people. I don't doubt this will continue as some enjoy it.
Then there have been the mistakes such as weather balloons and other objects people mistake as being something else.

I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN UFOS!!!!! yeah, I guess I'm like those random people you see at convensions and wearing ufo shirts. ^^

That's OK, just watch out for those hoaxes.

Originally Posted by Claudia

IF so, it would be very difficult to sot out the hoaxes, mistakes and such from the real thing. I think it is certainally possible for real ones to be out there since we are only one planet among so many.
Many people have created UFOS for the purpose of fooling other people. I don't doubt this will continue as some enjoy it.
Then there have been the mistakes such as weather balloons and other objects people mistake as being something else.

there will always be dumb people like that. It's why we have hackers, but i guess hackers aren't dumb, they're just assholes.

I'm not really sure if they 'do' exist. But if they do exist I doubt they would care about our planet. I kind of do believe that we aren't the only ones here. And if we aren't I hope they at least come to visit and are friendly. Would hate to have hostile aliens like in 'War of the Worlds' and those other alien take over films.

In order to reach our planet, they would have to be a technically advanced society. So reaching us and coming "in peace" would be the same as me finding an anthill on my garden, and telling the ants I am nice and will bring them some sugar if they want.