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02-22-2009, 03:58 AM
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In my opinion, a better definition of "dog racism" would be when people hate a specific breed of dog unfairly. For example, some pitbulls are mean, and many are trained to be vicious. So some people automatically assume that every pitbull is a killing machine, where many are sweet, normal dogs.
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I agree completely!! My uncle owns a Pit bull, and she's the sweetest dog I've met.
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02-22-2009, 04:10 AM
Well technically the definition of racist is believing someone of another race to be inherently different from yours and not as superior. These differences are based on character and ability.
It's like social Darwinism
So dog racism would be like saying Rottweilers are dumb brutes and Labs are some much better because they're smarter.
Or something like that. I'm very tired and not thinking coherently.
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02-22-2009, 06:36 PM
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Well technically the definition of racist is believing someone of another race to be inherently different from yours and not as superior. These differences are based on character and ability.
It's like social Darwinism
So dog racism would be like saying Rottweilers are dumb brutes and Labs are some much better because they're smarter.
Or something like that. I'm very tired and not thinking coherently.
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It doesn't have to be superior more just different. Believing a race has differences that don't exist is racism
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02-22-2009, 06:49 PM
Agreed with a lot of the other commenters. :/ PETA isn't against breeding because they think that a black poodle is going to be treated worse than a white poodle. It's because it is really horrible for the dogs.
There are things called "puppy mills," where essentially dogs are forced to breed with their own siblings to create purebreds, to create lots and lots of puppies to sell to families.
Purebreds tend to have lots of disorders because they are inbred and essentially mutated for the sake of being pretty. Mutts are much healthier.
PETA can be pretty extreme a whole lot of the time, which is sad because now people don't listen to them when they're right.
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02-22-2009, 06:56 PM
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Agreed with a lot of the other commenters. :/ PETA isn't against breeding because they think that a black poodle is going to be treated worse than a white poodle. It's because it is really horrible for the dogs.
There are things called "puppy mills," where essentially dogs are forced to breed with their own siblings to create purebreds, to create lots and lots of puppies to sell to families.
Purebreds tend to have lots of disorders because they are inbred and essentially mutated for the sake of being pretty. Mutts are much healthier.
PETA can be pretty extreme a whole lot of the time, which is sad because now people don't listen to them when they're right.
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I do enjoy it when people who are more informed then the OP, thankfully. and yes PETA can be right at times but the ways they have been extreme in has made many including myself reluctant to listen to them.
I know while I shouldn't feel this way when I hear PETA I only think of a group vandalizing some animal product because of their views. But I still honestly do not believe they do it simply because what is happening is wrong.
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02-22-2009, 06:57 PM
PETA takes extreme positions because they wouldn't get many points across if they were middle of the road or centric.
Purebred dogs are different in the way that there are just so many types of dogs and dogs are sometimes meant to work for their supper, lol. Sometimes people want a little lapdog, sometimes they want a gun dog. Sure, mutts can fit in those categories, but when it's so much easier, and sometimes a guarantee to get a purebred dog, you can't blame people for wanting one.
And the AKC is not the end all with breeding. Purebreds were around before the AKC, and will be around long after. The AKC has been a bit better with working dogs lately, but they are notoriously bad with working dogs and more about pretty. A lot of people who want or need working dogs go to breeders who are not registered with the AKC for their purebred dogs.
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02-22-2009, 07:07 PM
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PETA takes extreme positions because they wouldn't get many points across if they were middle of the road or centric.
Purebred dogs are different in the way that there are just so many types of dogs and dogs are sometimes meant to work for their supper, lol. Sometimes people want a little lapdog, sometimes they want a gun dog. Sure, mutts can fit in those categories, but when it's so much easier, and sometimes a guarantee to get a purebred dog, you can't blame people for wanting one.
And the AKC is not the end all with breeding. Purebreds were around before the AKC, and will be around long after. The AKC has been a bit better with working dogs lately, but they are notoriously bad with working dogs and more about pretty. A lot of people who want or need working dogs go to breeders who are not registered with the AKC for their purebred dogs.
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I'm sorry I assume you are poorly informed about the differences between pure and mixed breeds. Purebred animals are often not as intelligent and therefore harder to train, then their mix breed counter part.
I find it pretty horrible that you didn't read or at least comprehend the following posts before making your comment.
If one took the time to do even the basic research one would find purebred animals suffer far more in most cases, then is justifiable to have a dog fill a very specific roll . This is more the case when you have thousands of dogs in the humane society and local pounds ready to fill that roll with ease as well. While I understand some purebred animals are utterly gorgeous, I do not believe they should have to suffer bowel loss, blindness at early ages or birth, hip problems, problems walking, severe back problems, ect. Just to remain as pretty to the human eye.
Purebreds can often be much harder to train because of their breed as well. Mixing a little lab in with another dog gives you a dog many times easier to deal with, and a tad smarter to.
The list of advantages goes on and on to having a mix breed over a purebred.
Breeders are an unneeded group in society that nature itself has been doing better for years. If nature wasn't so talented dogs wouldn't exist today in the first place.
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02-22-2009, 07:30 PM
PETA will never get any respect from me or anyone I know simply for one fact: They kill more animals every year then anything else. They will take dogs from happy homes, who live great lives, as well as animals from shelters and kill them. Not even humanly either. They kill so many animals just to 'save' them from being pets. They play with words and make everything seem 10 times worst then they are. Even if it already is really bad, they just blow it all out of proportion.
No one breeds mutts. Most are a result of uneducated/poor people who don't realize what happens or simply are too ignorant to care. A little of pups are born and many people will either try to kill them or abandon them. Not everyone will, but some do. It's how I got my kitten I have now.
If people learned what spay/neutering was and attempted to have it done, it would solve many issues. But many people just don't care and think they don't have the money to do it.
I do have some respect for some breeders since they do care for their dogs and some donate to shelters and help out with spay/neuter programs. Puppy mills sell most pure breeds, since most people will simply go to a store and pick an animal they like rather then do research.
One of my bestfriends has a Bichon frise they got from a breeder. His brother has allergies and so they had to get a dog that didn't shed and they wanted a small dog. I love that puffball, he's so cute. Pure breeds are a good thing for that since many mutts will shed regardless if they are part shedless dog.
Claudia, where ever you get your information seems to be whatever popular website you find. Your not looking into what your trying to say at all and you make no valid points. I could see where your coeming from if you didn't use things like youtube and petfinder or random websites with 'facts' and nothing to back them up.
Talk to a local vet and you will get the same information people have told you here and more. Then form an opinion based on facts, not popculture.
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02-22-2009, 07:45 PM
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PETA will never get any respect from me or anyone I know simply for one fact: They kill more animals every year then anything else. They will take dogs from happy homes, who live great lives, as well as animals from shelters and kill them. Not even humanly either. They kill so many animals just to 'save' them from being pets. They play with words and make everything seem 10 times worst then they are. Even if it already is really bad, they just blow it all out of proportion.
No one breeds mutts. Most are a result of uneducated/poor people who don't realize what happens or simply are too ignorant to care. A little of pups are born and many people will either try to kill them or abandon them. Not everyone will, but some do. It's how I got my kitten I have now.
If people learned what spay/neutering was and attempted to have it done, it would solve many issues. But many people just don't care and think they don't have the money to do it.
I do have some respect for some breeders since they do care for their dogs and some donate to shelters and help out with spay/neuter programs. Puppy mills sell most pure breeds, since most people will simply go to a store and pick an animal they like rather then do research.
One of my bestfriends has a Bichon frise they got from a breeder. His brother has allergies and so they had to get a dog that didn't shed and they wanted a small dog. I love that puffball, he's so cute. Pure breeds are a good thing for that since many mutts will shed regardless if they are part shedless dog.
Claudia, where ever you get your information seems to be whatever popular website you find. Your not looking into what your trying to say at all and you make no valid points. I could see where your coeming from if you didn't use things like youtube and petfinder or random websites with 'facts' and nothing to back them up.
Talk to a local vet and you will get the same information people have told you here and more. Then form an opinion based on facts, not popculture.
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I guess for certain things purebreds are very popular but that list where they are simply a must seems to be small. I'd estimate at least 80% smaller then what exists today? And surely not to the extent of forced breeding with siblings generation after generation am I correct?
PETA also releases animals that they call "Wild and should be out in the wilds" (From Zoos and humane non dangerous test labs, and behavioral study sites.) just outside their cage where they won't survive to the new day, because they don't know how. I think its horrible to abandon an animal after "freeing" it for the sake of "freeing" it. It's like leaving something to die when you just took away its home and food.
I agree the original OP does seem to do no research what so ever before forming her own ideas as evident in her OP.
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02-22-2009, 07:53 PM
Oh LOL. Don't listen to a word PETA says, they're a bunch of fools. Their last thing, the sea kittens, got a good laugh out of me. Honestly, I think it's sad that they do this kind of thing. Because there really are animals in need out there and PETA makes animals rights look like a joke. Dog racism, that's great. It's a fact that some people are going to like one breed of dog over another, either because of their personality or their look or their size. That doesn't mean they hate all other dogs. It's like if a person is physically attracted to white people, does that mean they hate black people? No. But let's just say someone did hate certain breeds anyway, is it really going to be a big problem? Those dogs aren't going to know it, unless that person is such a jerk that they go around abusing dogs of a certain breed. Otherwise I don't think there are going to be any dog feelings hurt over it. There's nothing wrong with breeding for purebreds. At the same time, I don't have any problem with mutts. Some of the nicest dogs I've come across are mutts. And I don't think mutts have anything to do with "irresponsible breeding".
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02-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Not many people 'need' a pure breed, they simply like how it looks when they get it from the store. And since many dogs in pounds are over 20lbs and small dogs are getting so popular, like those horrible 'tea cup' kinds, they wont get one form the pound.
I can agree with if you have a situation where a pure breed fits your situation. Like a therapy dog, some kinds of therapy dogs need to be very strong. You can't tell how strong a mutt is and it's worthless to put training into it if it can't do whats needed. Things like dogs for the blind, breed doesn't matter and so they use mutts from the shelters a lot. But I know a few people with like Great Danes and St. Bernards who need a dog that big and powerful.
But most people don't need any kind of dog..they just like whatever they see. And shelters seem, I guess for lack of a better term, dirty, they wont go to them. And most people think if a dog is in a pound there's something wrong with it.
Though I would love to have a Greyhound and/or Pitbull. It's slightly hypocritical of me yes but I always loved Pitbulls and hate the rep they have. And Greyhounds are one of the most abused and mistreated dog. Once they are done racing, many are sent right back to the puppy mill they came from and are shot and thrown in a ditch with so many others.
Pitbulls are most of whats in the pounds around me and I volunteered at one and i only took care of the pitbulls and the bigger dogs they said only the bigger guys could handled. Those pits were sweeter then the terriers they has.
But that's going off topic, sorry.
PETA has very few valid points and I ignore them. Even if they have some sort of truth to them they cover it in lies.
Most pure breeds today aren't inbreed. They did that long ago when the breed was dieing out and so few were around. It kept the breed alive but had many repercussions they didn't know of. I don't mind the AKC so much since they promote healthy linage and sometimes have a hand in stopping puppy mills but they still look down on shelters and mutts and see them as unneeded.
I've gone to dog shows and talked to people. Some, not all, but some are so stuck up about the breeds they think shelters should be gotten rid of and there shouldn't be mutts. I met a few people that just loved the breed but started from shelters, and those are the ones I respect.
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02-22-2009, 08:06 PM
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I find it pretty horrible that you didn't read or at least comprehend the following posts before making your comment.
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I find it pretty horrible that you generalize all purebred dogs, and that you didn't catch my comments about non AKC breeders and working dogs. I don't really understand why people equate that corrupt organization with the entire history of purebred dogs. It's like saying puppy mills existed back in the time of Henry VIII
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02-22-2009, 09:04 PM
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Oh LOL. Don't listen to a word PETA says, they're a bunch of fools. Their last thing, the sea kittens, got a good laugh out of me. Honestly, I think it's sad that they do this kind of thing. Because there really are animals in need out there and PETA makes animals rights look like a joke. Dog racism, that's great. It's a fact that some people are going to like one breed of dog over another, either because of their personality or their look or their size. That doesn't mean they hate all other dogs. It's like if a person is physically attracted to white people, does that mean they hate black people? No. But let's just say someone did hate certain breeds anyway, is it really going to be a big problem? Those dogs aren't going to know it, unless that person is such a jerk that they go around abusing dogs of a certain breed. Otherwise I don't think there are going to be any dog feelings hurt over it. There's nothing wrong with breeding for purebreds. At the same time, I don't have any problem with mutts. Some of the nicest dogs I've come across are mutts. And I don't think mutts have anything to do with "irresponsible breeding".
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PETA makes a fools out of themselves no one is going to argue who has read up on what they HAVE done.
I've already spoken of my personal preferences in dogs, which does include purebred animals in terms of looks.
But in addition I as I believe I have said and if I haven't I'll say now, "I wouldn't want a dog to suffer genetic defects just to have a dog I thought was good looking."
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Not many people 'need' a pure breed, they simply like how it looks when they get it from the store. And since many dogs in pounds are over 20lbs and small dogs are getting so popular, like those horrible 'tea cup' kinds, they wont get one form the pound.
I can agree with if you have a situation where a pure breed fits your situation. Like a therapy dog, some kinds of therapy dogs need to be very strong. You can't tell how strong a mutt is and it's worthless to put training into it if it can't do whats needed. Things like dogs for the blind, breed doesn't matter and so they use mutts from the shelters a lot. But I know a few people with like Great Danes and St. Bernards who need a dog that big and powerful.
But most people don't need any kind of dog..they just like whatever they see. And shelters seem, I guess for lack of a better term, dirty, they wont go to them. And most people think if a dog is in a pound there's something wrong with it.
Though I would love to have a Greyhound and/or Pitbull. It's slightly hypocritical of me yes but I always loved Pitbulls and hate the rep they have. And Greyhounds are one of the most abused and mistreated dog. Once they are done racing, many are sent right back to the puppy mill they came from and are shot and thrown in a ditch with so many others.
Pitbulls are most of whats in the pounds around me and I volunteered at one and i only took care of the pitbulls and the bigger dogs they said only the bigger guys could handled. Those pits were sweeter then the terriers they has.
But that's going off topic, sorry.
PETA has very few valid points and I ignore them. Even if they have some sort of truth to them they cover it in lies.
Most pure breeds today aren't inbreed. They did that long ago when the breed was dieing out and so few were around. It kept the breed alive but had many repercussions they didn't know of. I don't mind the AKC so much since they promote healthy linage and sometimes have a hand in stopping puppy mills but they still look down on shelters and mutts and see them as unneeded.
I've gone to dog shows and talked to people. Some, not all, but some are so stuck up about the breeds they think shelters should be gotten rid of and there shouldn't be mutts. I met a few people that just loved the breed but started from shelters, and those are the ones I respect.
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Every breed has merits that are desirable or better looking. I myself have already stated I like the looks of certain animals.
I love Dobbermen, German Sheps, Dals, Labs, And the Husky. But inbred animals today while not intentionally inbred at times still remain so close together in DNA sequence that their breeding does continue to cause problems for the dogs, these problems only get worse with each generation.
Its not hypocritical to like the way something looks or something about a certain breed and still feel strongly against things like inbreeding, social snobs, and puppy mills.
Unfortunately the older dogs also tend to be bigger dogs and most older dogs are dogs that people wanted as puppies and got rid of later. So they are a larger population of dogs that are in the humane society and local pounds.
Another thing that people don't like about bigger dogs is they are more powerful and more capable of causing trouble around the house.
It is true many people see shelters as dirty or "unclean" but that is the kind of prejudice that continues to plague humanity. We as the human race need to overcome it, we will be a better people if we do.
My personal belief is if you don't think you can handle a kid, don't get a dog either, Larger by age or by breed it matters not don't get it. I'm much more comfortable with responsible breeders but they aren't nearly as common as irresponsible ones. (Please note the word comfortable.)
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I find it pretty horrible that you generalize all purebred dogs, and that you didn't catch my comments about non AKC breeders and working dogs. I don't really understand why people equate that corrupt organization with the entire history of purebred dogs. It's like saying puppy mills existed back in the time of Henry VIII
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Hmm that is weird because it seems to me that the time period along with being ignorant ill informed, superstitious, and uneducated was a pretty bad time for humans as well as dogs. And saying something is old and long standing means it is right? Does that mean slavery should exist because it is older then the idea of equality for all regardless of gender, race, and creed?
I did catch your comments as I've replied to people on this thread. I've also been willing and already understanding of purebred dogs in some situations over a mix, if you read like I suggested you would of seen that I would hope. I don't equate any organization with the entire history of purebred dogs either I have not mentioned the AKC until now. By the way I pointed out my belief that you didn't seem to read or comprehend what was being said (Did NOT call you stupid or anything of the like or generalize you into a group of ignorant people.)
You generalized me (wrongly might I add) and attacked me personally by doing so. In addition you said I had not read something, when I in fact had.
This is called "Ad Hominem" Latin for attacking the man instead of the argument. Or attacking the man to equate their attack on that person makes the attacked wrong because they got attacked.
The practices during Henry the VIIIths reign made things like the problems purebreds face now. So I fail to see how this is a good thing? maybe if so many breeders back then hadn't mated these dogs with such direct relatives they wouldn't have half the problems they face today. Making even non closely related dogs of the same breed much closer then many realize, breeders included.
By the way I hold no love for Henry the VIIIth he was married like 5 times wasn't he?
Wiki: "In 1540, Henry sanctioned the destruction of shrines to saints. At this time, Henry desired to marry once again to ensure the succession."
I like saints...
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02-22-2009, 09:16 PM
It;s a common misconception that bigger dogs are worst. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about dog owners. They think a smaller dog is more gentle when in reality they are far more aggressive then bigger dogs.
A great example is when I worked at a Petco. I do like the Petco company, since they will make you adopt over buying one of their animals. -but the thing they say to use petfinder...is just not a good idea. Petfinder is a ok site but if someone goes to a pet store they want the animal not something in a month-
people bring their dogs into Petco all the time, they welcome it. These stuck up woman would bring their toy dogs and those things would sit in those stupid purses and growl and snap at me. Then those people would sit there and smile and say "Aww shes playing with you" I want to take those people and give them a good slap of reality. I wanted to get bitten by them just so I could sue the air heads.
Then some big guy who thought he was a gangster or whatever, witch around here they aren't, they're just posers. But this big guy would come in with the big strong pitbull, so many pitbull around here. Those air heads would just look at the bull, and most of the time that dog was either sitting and looking at the box of cookies I had or half asleep at their masters side, and yell "Oh my god it's going to eat my dog!"
I just look at them and roll my eyes. Oh ya...your dog is trying to eat me and the sleeping dog is going to hurt someone. Right...
It's all the misconceptions of breeds as well that cause so many issues. Sure some breeds are strong and hard to train right but you have to know what your dealing with.
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02-22-2009, 09:31 PM
Ugh....the people who let their tiny dogs misbehave annoy me. While yes a small dog is lesser threat, that is NOT an excuse not to train a tiny dog. When I get my planned chihuahua, I will probably point at them and say sternly "NO" when they growl at some random person.
People that have nasty, aggressive dogs of any size should not bring them into public places.
You should say something along the lines of if your dog can't act nice, maybe they shouldn't come here at all.
As for these "air heads" yelling at pitbulls. It does seem they are overreacting, however it does not hurt to be cautious. A larger dog can kill a tiny dog very quickly if the oppertunity presents itself.
It can and does happen.
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02-22-2009, 09:32 PM
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It;s a common misconception that bigger dogs are worst. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about dog owners. They think a smaller dog is more gentle when in reality they are far more aggressive then bigger dogs.
A great example is when I worked at a Petco. I do like the Petco company, since they will make you adopt over buying one of their animals. -but the thing they say to use petfinder...is just not a good idea. Petfinder is a ok site but if someone goes to a pet store they want the animal not something in a month-
people bring their dogs into Petco all the time, they welcome it. These stuck up woman would bring their toy dogs and those things would sit in those stupid purses and growl and snap at me. Then those people would sit there and smile and say "Aww shes playing with you" I want to take those people and give them a good slap of reality. I wanted to get bitten by them just so I could sue the air heads.
Then some big guy who thought he was a gangster or whatever, witch around here they aren't, they're just posers. But this big guy would come in with the big strong pitbull, so many pitbull around here. Those air heads would just look at the bull, and most of the time that dog was either sitting and looking at the box of cookies I had or half asleep at their masters side, and yell "Oh my god it's going to eat my dog!"
I just look at them and roll my eyes. Oh ya...your dog is trying to eat me and the sleeping dog is going to hurt someone. Right...
It's all the misconceptions of breeds as well that cause so many issues. Sure some breeds are strong and hard to train right but you have to know what your dealing with.
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It is very true that smaller dogs are more aggressive in general. They seem to want to prove themselves tougher and bigger and stronger then that big dog who is secure and could care less. I'm glad someone brought this up.
The aggressive pitbulls more often then not are the result of abusive training and handling to make them fighting dogs. (Very wrong)
The Petco stores I've been to at least, I can't stand. The fish section depresses me to no end. What really gets me is seeing the Beta in tiny small sometimes even just plastic cups. (Yes I know they can fight with each other.) And in the worse Petcos some are dead in their cup or their poo litters the area.
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Ugh....the people who let their tiny dogs misbehave annoy me. While yes a small dog is lesser threat, that is NOT an excuse not to train a tiny dog. When I get my planned chihuahua, I will probably point at them and say sternly "NO" when they growl at some random person.
People that have nasty, aggressive dogs of any size should not bring them into public places.
You should say something along the lines of if your dog can't act nice, maybe they shouldn't come here at all.
As for these "air heads" yelling at pitbulls. It does seem they are overreacting, however it does not hurt to be cautious. A larger dog can kill a tiny dog very quickly if the oppertunity presents itself.
It can and does happen.
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You do know why dogs tend to growl at random people when your around right? It is often a case of inability for your dog to understand its own territory. Or them being defensive of their master and because of your presence many dogs feel more secure in being a bit more defensive, then if you were gone. You need to be careful when disciplining a dog over what is natural to them.
If I recall Petco has a dogs allowed in policy in their stores so that may of been problematic for her to say anything.
You should always be watching threats to your little dog and reading their body language if that was done. People wouldn't have to deal with these dog on dog attacks nearly as often
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02-22-2009, 10:29 PM
I've seen small dogs attack bigger dogs and do more damage then vice versa. It's one thing to be wary but to yell at someone who has a pitbull is just not called for. People actuality start fights with people just because they have a pit.
You shouldn't be worrying about someone else dog. Look after your own dog because more often then not it's the smaller dogs fault for starting a fight.
I have kicked people out of the store for having aggressive dogs. With my manger right behind me as well and agreed with everything I said to the person. I was never rude i just told them they can't ave a dog in the store if they are going to cause issues.
True, some Petcos as well as any pet store has it's issues. Luckily I live in an area where the people that get jobs at the Petco are people who will go all out for even the smallest animal. I've seen ones where it was so disgusting. My manager even reported a few petcos and got one closed down, I forget where tho, because they were so bad. PetSmart is the same way. But Petland isn't, I have issues with them but thats another story.
I personally hate Chihuahua, along with most toy breeds, simply because how aggressive they are no matter who their owner is. Even if you have your good intentions most people that own those breeds know nothing about them and spoil them so much that they never learn. If you talk to a breeder, read books and find real websites that tell you pros and cons then you'll know what your getting yourself into.
Muscular dogs like Pitbulls were made to fight things like bears, not a rabbit or something small. They rather fight something that will give it a good fight then a meal. Yes, some will attack small dogs for the heck of it, most don't. The ones that do are normally owned by ignorant people who assume things about the breed.
I ex co-worker of mine does have a rescue Pitbull who does not mix with something smaller then her. She will kill a cat or small dog if provoked or wanted to. She was a bait dog, a very short lived part of her youth but things like that will stick with a dog. With people and big dogs, shes a sweet heart. She would never hurt a human and she is scared of some other dogs but if she felt threatened by another dog she will attack.
It's all how people see the breed. People do dog fights and they are only on the rise. It creates dogs people see as 'bad' and therefor unwanted. People want small dogs because they think they are easier to handle when in reality they are harder. Mutts who are breed with dogs of different sizes have qualities of all of them.
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02-22-2009, 10:45 PM
That is so true ( at least from my research) toy/tiny dogs can be harder to train. Seems to be a disadvantage with them. Well they are easier due to size since you can restain them easier...Still I wouldn't want a dog that's so aggressive that I need to keep them away from other people or restain.
My mom's friend, she had this toy poodle who was a real terror. Just growled at people all the time. I don't think she cared.
About pitbulls, I have been told they have dog aggression problems. More so then aggression towards people as they were bred to fight other dogs.
It does seem like a dog can be friendly with people and very dog aggressive.
I visited this person who had a former feral dog. Friendly dog to us people. No problems at all.
Then when there's people outside walking their dog on the public sidewalk...This dog pushed the door open and ran out growling to fight these other dogs.
Had to be run after and caught.
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02-22-2009, 11:08 PM
The only thing I'm gonna say because you mentioned it.. I think PETA is a bunch of bullcrap.
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02-22-2009, 11:17 PM
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That is so true ( at least from my research) toy/tiny dogs can be harder to train. Seems to be a disadvantage with them. Well they are easier due to size since you can restain them easier...Still I wouldn't want a dog that's so aggressive that I need to keep them away from other people or restain.
My mom's friend, she had this toy poodle who was a real terror. Just growled at people all the time. I don't think she cared.
About pitbulls, I have been told they have dog aggression problems. More so then aggression towards people as they were bred to fight other dogs.
It does seem like a dog can be friendly with people and very dog aggressive.
I visited this person who had a former feral dog. Friendly dog to us people. No problems at all.
Then when there's people outside walking their dog on the public sidewalk...This dog pushed the door open and ran out growling to fight these other dogs.
Had to be run after and caught.
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Most of this behavior can be classified as over territorial or poorly raised. While I'll say one dog does not mean all dogs are like this. Poppy my Dal mix is more aggressive, (Her aggression can be better defined as defensiveness.)then Harley our neighbors dog.
On the topic of Toy dogs. I find Teacup class dogs even more disgustingly bred. Who that is right in the head, wants a dog that tiny?
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02-22-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't really mind either way. Purebreds are so pretty, but I've got nothing against mutts.
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02-22-2009, 11:29 PM
Honestly I do!. But I will refuse to get one if it's bad for the dog's health. I don't want dogs bred for poor health. So I will get a larger one.
It seems like more educated dog people realize these tiny dogs are often unhealthy . It's the uneducated ones who don't care who buy them and promote the breeding of so called "teacup" dogs.
Which BTW, will get you some negative responses on a chihuahua forum.
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02-22-2009, 11:34 PM
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Honestly I do!. But I will refuse to get one if it's bad for the dog's health. I don't want dogs bred for poor health. So I will get a larger one.
It seems like more educated dog people realize these tiny dogs are often unhealthy . It's the uneducated ones who don't care who buy them and promote the breeding of so called "teacup" dogs.
Which BTW, will get you some negative responses on a chihuahua forum.
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No offense intended but I'd be afraid to get a chihuahua because they can break their legs jumping off the couch. I'd be afraid in general to own something so fragile because I am not the most gentle person in the world. I'd be scared to death of just walking around the house.
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02-22-2009, 11:35 PM
Teacups are horrible, genetic wise. They live about half the life of their breed and have so many issues. It's disgusting to actuality have these legal to breed.
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About pitbulls, I have been told they have dog aggression problems. More so then aggression towards people as they were bred to fight other dogs.
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They were not bred to fight dogs. They were bred to fight bears and lions along with other large creatures. It was a common sport in Rome I believe is where it started. They are made today to fight other dogs for sport since...who's going to have a bear or lion in their backyard to fight a dog? They would attack in pairs or small groups and so they if they were aggressive with other dogs they would simply put up to fight the bear alone.
But Dalmatians are the highest, or at lest used to be, the highest bite rate in any dog in America. They tend to be very territorial. Most people see them as the firehouse dog and from the Disney movies to be friendly and stupid. They also have high rates of being born blind and/or deaf. They are great dogs, don't get me wrong, they just have a high tendency to bite because people got them when to movies came out and not knowing about the breed.
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No offense intended but I'd be afraid to get a chihuahua because they can break their legs jumping off the couch. I'd be afraid in general to own something so fragile because I am not the most gentle person in the world. I'd be scared to death of just walking around the house.
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Ditto on that. My dog is a point=mix and so I can throw him around and wrestle with him as much as I want. I wouldn't be able to have a dog I can't throw around a bit. Big dogs get energy out of kids too, it's great when they wont leave you alone ahaha.
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02-22-2009, 11:49 PM
I like mutts. They make the best pets.
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