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02-22-2009, 11:52 PM
I don't mind. That's one of the benefits of different breeds...A dog for most everyone.
If there were no tiny/toy breed dogs. Then a dog would never be an option for me the way things are going. I would not want a dog unhappy in my small place.
I feel if I kept rats, I can handle a tiny dog and not hurt them.
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02-23-2009, 12:46 AM
I think dogs are dogs, and this whole argument about purebred vs. mutts can be a little ridiculous.
I understand the ideas behind both forms of breeds, but in my opinion, the best kind of dog is an obedient one that doesn't require thousands of dollars in surgery for bad hips because of bad breeding.
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02-23-2009, 02:39 AM
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I think dogs are dogs, and this whole argument about purebred vs. mutts can be a little ridiculous.
I understand the ideas behind both forms of breeds, but in my opinion, the best kind of dog is an obedient one that doesn't require thousands of dollars in surgery for bad hips because of bad breeding.
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I don't really think this "argument" is ridiculous, I think it is a honest discussion about the existence of dogs today and why they are what they are now.
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I don't mind. That's one of the benefits of different breeds...A dog for most everyone.
If there were no tiny/toy breed dogs. Then a dog would never be an option for me the way things are going. I would not want a dog unhappy in my small place.
I feel if I kept rats, I can handle a tiny dog and not hurt them.
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Well I can live with rats just fine, but usually as pets they aren't running around under your feet I'd hope?
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02-23-2009, 02:54 AM
I love dogs, and I've actually researched this matter a bit. In America it's not as bad as in the UK where 'purebred' became an important term. In America, most, if not all responsible dog breeders will not breed relatives, while in the UK they don't care. Like Seph was saying, inbreeding leads to MANY problems. Many King Charles Cavaliers have a disease that is essentially the swelling of the brain. I don't remember what it's called, but I was already familiar with it. My brother actually had the same condition and they had to cut out a part of his skull to release the pressure. They have to do the same with dogs, but the surgery is less effective because you usually can't catch it in time because it starts as a headache or migraine.
AKC is a lot better about breeding, but there are the puppy mills and the breeders who lie. A lot of breeders (UK mostly) are more concerned about the 'breed standard' rather than heath. Mutts are actually 80+% of the time healthier than purebreds. They have more variety. Of course this doesn't mean all mutts are healthier, but it does mean you have a better chance of getting a healthy animal.
By no means am I saying I'm against purebreds though, two of the three dogs I've had in my life were purebred (the third I'm not sure. Husky and possible part wolf, but that might have just been my uncle pulling my leg), and they didn't have too many heath problems. My [mom's] current dog, a Labrador, is very healthy despite that he's fat (seriously, he is obese and he does not have canine diabetes!).
Of course, none of our dogs were bought from a breeder either. Just friends who loved that breed and didn't get their animal fixed.
And I love a lot of purebred dogs, like German Shepherds, Ridgebacks, Huskies, etc., but I would still get a mutt, as I like just as many 'mixed breeds'. For me it depends on the dog rather than the breed, but I would still probably prefer a mutt because you can get one guarantee with a mutt: It's parents weren't closely related, if at all.
On the topic of pitbulls:
They do tend to be dog aggresive, but that isn't a problem if a) you socialize it (at a young age, especially) to be used to other dogs, and NEVER let it off it's leash in public, even at a dog park. Even if there is 0 chance your dog will attack another, they have a bad reputation and it is very possible that someone else will ATTACK your dog (believing it's 'coming to attack' them). Most of the stories of aggresive pitbulls are either dogs that were trained to be aggresive or were not properly trained. And, BTW, there is no such breed according to the AKC as 'Pitbull', and many people mistake other breeds (such as Cane Cariso) for pitbulls. I happen to love pitties, because they are (again, if trained properly) very loving and intelligent dogs.
On small dogs- I have mixed feelings on small dogs. I tend to like more intelligent dogs and, truth be told, there are few small breeds that are considered intelligent. I've thought about getting only a few breeds, such as a min pin, chihuahua, beagle, Italian greyhound, and a shiba inu. I have no problem with small dogs (I have always had cats and the whole 'getting under your feet issue' isn't for me) unless they are untrained because most people who get them (idiotically) think they don't need to train because they are so small and this is incorrect. Dogs need to be trained to make sure that a) they listen to you, b) they don't attack you, other animals or strangers and c) they don't ruin your things. Small dogs who are carried everywhere get a 'privileged' opinion of themselves and turn into brats.
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02-23-2009, 02:58 AM
I'm not really sure where I stand on this, but some people I met act like purebred dogs are better and that pisses me off a lot.
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02-23-2009, 03:14 AM
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I love dogs, and I've actually researched this matter a bit. In America it's not as bad as in the UK where 'purebred' became an important term. In America, most, if not all responsible dog breeders will not breed relatives, while in the UK they don't care. Like Seph was saying, inbreeding leads to MANY problems. Many King Charles Cavaliers have a disease that is essentially the swelling of the brain. I don't remember what it's called, but I was already familiar with it. My brother actually had the same condition and they had to cut out a part of his skull to release the pressure. They have to do the same with dogs, but the surgery is less effective because you usually can't catch it in time because it starts as a headache or migraine.
AKC is a lot better about breeding, but there are the puppy mills and the breeders who lie. A lot of breeders (UK mostly) are more concerned about the 'breed standard' rather than heath. Mutts are actually 80+% of the time healthier than purebreds. They have more variety. Of course this doesn't mean all mutts are healthier, but it does mean you have a better chance of getting a healthy animal.
By no means am I saying I'm against purebreds though, two of the three dogs I've had in my life were purebred (the third I'm not sure. Husky and possible part wolf, but that might have just been my uncle pulling my leg), and they didn't have too many heath problems. My [mom's] current dog, a Labrador, is very healthy despite that he's fat (seriously, he is obese and he does not have canine diabetes!).
Of course, none of our dogs were bought from a breeder either. Just friends who loved that breed and didn't get their animal fixed.
And I love a lot of purebred dogs, like German Shepherds, Ridgebacks, Huskies, etc., but I would still get a mutt, as I like just as many 'mixed breeds'. For me it depends on the dog rather than the breed, but I would still probably prefer a mutt because you can get one guarantee with a mutt: It's parents weren't closely related, if at all.
On the topic of pitbulls:
They do tend to be dog aggresive, but that isn't a problem if a) you socialize it (at a young age, especially) to be used to other dogs, and NEVER let it off it's leash in public, even at a dog park. Even if there is 0 chance your dog will attack another, they have a bad reputation and it is very possible that someone else will ATTACK your dog (believing it's 'coming to attack' them). Most of the stories of aggresive pitbulls are either dogs that were trained to be aggresive or were not properly trained. And, BTW, there is no such breed according to the AKC as 'Pitbull', and many people mistake other breeds (such as Cane Cariso) for pitbulls. I happen to love pitties, because they are (again, if trained properly) very loving and intelligent dogs.
On small dogs- I have mixed feelings on small dogs. I tend to like more intelligent dogs and, truth be told, there are few small breeds that are considered intelligent. I've thought about getting only a few breeds, such as a min pin, chihuahua, beagle, Italian greyhound, and a shiba inu. I have no problem with small dogs (I have always had cats and the whole 'getting under your feet issue' isn't for me) unless they are untrained because most people who get them (idiotically) think they don't need to train because they are so small and this is incorrect. Dogs need to be trained to make sure that a) they listen to you, b) they don't attack you, other animals or strangers and c) they don't ruin your things. Small dogs who are carried everywhere get a 'privileged' opinion of themselves and turn into brats.
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Like the post, nothing to really add besides your uncle may very well be not pulling your leg because Husky //wolf mixes are actually surprisingly common.
My Grandpa and one and he lives in Oregon.
Oh and I've never really trained my dogs but they are usually angels (besides being a little loud) and Always do the basics of what I tell them. ( I love how all dogs seem to understand stern pointing) They always seem to understand that I'm boss and they shouldn't misbehave besides the constant barking but my parents like knowing when someone is around. So I guess that part of their behavior is someone encouraged?
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02-23-2009, 03:22 AM
I think it's ridiculous, to be quite honestly, to see a group of people get all worked up over whether or not a dog is purebred or not. Those people would be PETA and a few people I see in this topic.
Some people want a certain breed of dog be it to have a watch dog, a family dog or a companion of any sort. So sure, some people might want a purebred, some people like mutts. Nobody can say someone is right or wrong for preference because it's only opinion in which nobody is right or wrong, which seems to be something not many people understand anymore.
Certain kinds of dogs have certain issues, this does not mean ever single purebred dog is inbred, PLEASE get your facts straight before attempting to claim such a thing. Breeders don't typically take a brother and sister and have them mate, they're not foolish and said breeders would know more about this than some people with strong opinions ^^;
Anyway, PETA is a bunch of whack jobs who think they are holier than thou for whatever reason.
I personally believe whether a dog is purebred or a mix/mutt should be left up to the OWNER and what they would like. Not all dogs should be purebred but they should not all be mutts either.
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02-23-2009, 03:24 AM
PETA is more full of shit than I thought. :lol: Self-righteous bastards...
When dogs mate they mate with only one goal in mind: To ensure the survival of their species. So of course they're going to want to pass down good genes amirite? If anything, selective breeding is doing these dogs a favor. Gosh.
I think I read somewhere else that purebred dogs, although they look good, aren't necessarily healthier and whatnot. I'm pretty sure that by going in between different dog species, the offspring can carry on positive traits from the parents of the two different dog species.
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02-23-2009, 03:34 AM
@Seph- you seem to be an Alpha type, which would mean your dogs wouldn't require much training. (Because that's most of what training is, really, getting the dog to recognize you as the alpha. lol)
And about my uncle, possibly, but Max (the dog) was the biggest teddy bear, so it would've been more husky than wolf if he was.
@Jaejong- Like I've said, UKC does it quite commonly, even their head person doesn't think it's bad? Doubt me, I can provide links.
And because I forgot about it.
I HATE PETA! I'm an animal rights activist, but they are ridiculous. They should spend more time on getting animals adopted and healthy than making people vegetarians.
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02-23-2009, 03:47 AM
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@Seph- you seem to be an Alpha type, which would mean your dogs wouldn't require much training. (Because that's most of what training is, really, getting the dog to recognize you as the alpha. lol)
And about my uncle, possibly, but Max (the dog) was the biggest teddy bear, so it would've been more husky than wolf if he was.
@Jaejong- Like I've said, UKC does it quite commonly, even their head person doesn't think it's bad? Doubt me, I can provide links.
And because I forgot about it.
I HATE PETA! I'm an animal rights activist, but they are ridiculous. They should spend more time on getting animals adopted and healthy than making people vegetarians.
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I'm always gonna eat meat. We are Omnivorous it's just natural.
And I guess I do some very Alpha things but I've been doing them unintentionally for a long time I found that out later in my life.
The dogs eat after me for example but I don't taunt or tease them.
Quite possible, how Max looked can probably tell you the best. Just remember Wolf and Man befriended one another through a mutually beneficial relationship. This action eventually gave birth to modern dog.
Wolf protected and warmed man while he slept, and hunted with man.
Man shared his food with wolf and loved him along with providing shelter.
I just brought this up because alot of people even today give wolves a bad rap
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02-23-2009, 03:51 AM
Oh, I know. He looked more Husky than anything else. Only Wolven trait was that he was bigger than most huskies I've seen.
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02-23-2009, 03:52 AM
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But Dalmatians are the highest, or at lest used to be, the highest bite rate in any dog in America. They tend to be very territorial. Most people see them as the firehouse dog and from the Disney movies to be friendly and stupid. They also have high rates of being born blind and/or deaf.
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Ditto, I used to have Dalmatians, but then we noticed they tended to become blind very early in their life, so we gifted them >.>
Ever since then we've had mutts, and funny thing I've noticed they tend to be much more energetic than purebreds. My Vicky is so mixed she could be anything, yet she's always running here, running there, and knows what you're trying to tell her o.o I've never seen her sleep, believe it or not, this isn't an exaggeration x_x
Two other mutts I've had weren't that energetic, but you could tell they were a mix of 2, or max. 3 breeds.
So I have this theory that some mixes, especially those who have a bit of everything, tend to be "the better". Or at least they're the ones that live the most...
... but I'm no expert so I could be wrong.
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02-23-2009, 03:54 AM
@Serafim: I would like those links, please darling. If this source is not credible, places of wikipedia of course, I won't consider looking through it.
And I said not ALL breeders do this, I did not say that it never happened because that would be false. I'm an animal person. I wouldn't ever do anything to harm animals of course, but I'm not against purebred canines, nor am I against mutts.
Though I will say if breeding was as horrible as some peoeple think it wouldn't be so popular. There is also a level in which inbreeding is safer. More distant 'cousins' are example.
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02-23-2009, 04:04 AM
Wolves are not as viscous as people think. One friend of mine loves Huskys and has two. One is a pure breed they found at the pound and the other is a wolf-hybrid also from a pound. The wolf hybrid, Harley, is a huge teddy bear. Indie is a real alpha dog, sweet but can get dominate since it's in his blood. -he would have made a great lead sled dog- She got some help from a wolf sanctuary because they didn't know what Harley was when they got him and they said he's a little less then half wolf. A very passive dog. All our friends want to steal him.
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Certain kinds of dogs have certain issues, this does not mean ever single purebred dog is inbred, PLEASE get your facts straight before attempting to claim such a thing. Breeders don't typically take a brother and sister and have them mate, they're not foolish and said breeders would know more about this than some people with strong opinions
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In some places, they do. As stated by azriel, UK does. I just looked into that a little bit and yes, they do. Maybe America they don't but that's not to say it's true for the whole world.
No one said all breeders do.
I said a while back why most pure breeds are inbred and I believe someone else said it as well. In the past, that is about 100 years ago, when many breeds where dying out all around the world and only small families existed, they would breed mothers with sons and fathers with daughters simply to keep the breed alive. And it's passed down since they all stem from those few inbreed families.
You might want to get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions and telling others to get some facts.
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02-23-2009, 04:11 AM
@Jaejong- I sent you a PM with two links, it's a documentary made by the BBC called 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed', it aired in August, 2008, and BBC stopped airing Crufts (Crufts is the main UKC dog show).
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02-23-2009, 04:19 AM
But as dogs are bred, while threats remain due to being bred in their family because anything has a chance of being inherited, and the genetics stretch out it becomes less dangerous.
I of course know dogs used to be bred just to keep species around, that's more or less the same with all kinds of animals now isn't it? The same aspect though is that inbred purebreds aren't the only type of dog that can suffer from this or that which is known.
And things are still being questioned and worked out not everything has yet to be determined for sure as far as I know.
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02-23-2009, 04:27 AM
Blinks, this make sea kittens look like a good idea. As long as man has kept dogs he has been breeding them to to what he want them to do. PETA would be better served stopping puppy mills, rather than trying to stop people from buying a pure breed in general.
That said, I have always liked the mutts I got from the pound.
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02-23-2009, 04:29 AM
Well of course, but I, personally, am not saying that dog breeding is bad, but that people shouldn't be allowed to do it willy-nilly. The AKC requires certain tests and such if you wish to register a dog, such as testing prior to breeding. My brother (the same one who had brain swelling), works as a vet and he has often had to deal with puppy-mill puppies, unhealthy/inbred purebreds.
He does get more purebred dogs in with illnesses, HOWEVER, this might be because more people generally own purebreed (or assumed purebred), while most mutts end up in shelters. This is more because mutts aren't purposely bred (and therefore a lot of unwanted litters,) while most purebreds are either bred by puppy mills (and the ones who usually end up in shelters) or by reputable breeders, and most reputable breeders make any buyer sign a contract to return the dog (at any age) if they do not wish to keep it any longer. That's the main reason there aren't more purebreds in shelters, because there are responsible breeders for purebreds, while no one really purposely breeds mixed breeds.
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02-23-2009, 04:30 AM
In the wild, yes it happens. But the week and pore gens don't get passed. Also mutations are common in the wild and there for makes new strains. You can't compare wild animals to dogs. The situations are in no way alike. Dogs breed with who humans think is right. If a mutation occurs, they wont breed that dog.
Genetics don't 'stretch', whatever genes on in a dog are there. Nothing new gets introduced, nothing old can be taken out. It's the same line over and over and over.
Evaluation is natural and adds more DNA into a species as they grow , change and move into different environments. When the breed is controlled, as in dogs and other domesticated animals, it's stop to ensure the genes you have stay the same. How can they change if your only taking other distant relatives and breeding them? It's still all interbred, there is no 'safe' interbreeding.
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02-23-2009, 04:39 AM
I think that responsible breeding is a good thing. A real breeder knows not to inbreed and if you've ever talked to anyone that's informative about dog breeding you'd know that. I HATE when people who don't care about the breed or don't know what they're doing try to breed dogs. It's irresponsible and I do think that people should have to have a permit to breed cats or dogs.
Mutts are NOT a good thing. They are a result of overpopulation and a result of people not giving a damn about how the dog turns out. I think that breeding any animal that has known health issues/aggression issues is horrible considering that the issues can be passed down to their offspring. When you breed random animals together you have no way of finding out health issues and things like that in the lineage. Selective breeding helps prevent health and other issues.
There are also too many badly bred pets that I personally see that come into the vet office with messed up hips and other health issues that are bred out when breeders are responsible about what dogs they breed. In short I think that not everyone who claims to be a "breeder" should have the right to breed dogs. There are very few good breeders out there and I think that people need to be more educated about where they buy their dogs from.
I don't support buying any cats or dogs for the most part unless you're going to show them. There's no reason to let a perfectly good pet that's in an animal shelter be killed because someone's looking for a purebred pet. Pets are just for companionship and don't need to serve a function and there for do not need to be purebred. By function I mean they are not working dogs and are more there just to be with people.
I also think that there are certain dogs such as herding dogs that should not be sold as pets and should only be kept as working dogs since they're happier and healthier when they're working.
My short answer to the question is that selective breeding is a good thing but unless you're dog needs to be a working dog then rescue a mutt and spay or castrate your pets.
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02-23-2009, 04:51 AM
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@Serafim: I would like those links, please darling. If this source is not credible, places of wikipedia of course, I won't consider looking through it.
And I said not ALL breeders do this, I did not say that it never happened because that would be false. I'm an animal person. I wouldn't ever do anything to harm animals of course, but I'm not against purebred canines, nor am I against mutts.
Though I will say if breeding was as horrible as some peoeple think it wouldn't be so popular. There is also a level in which inbreeding is safer. More distant 'cousins' are example.
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I'd just like to say I like wiki in general but and saying it is not credible isn't very informed if that is what you said. You just need to follow up on the sources and decide for yourself.
Breeding is popular because it makes money, as well as the fact that people feel one breed is superior (Or maybe just like it a bit better) so that argument I'm afraid is invalid all together. People like feeling superior to others too. This is an example of the Latin phrase "ad populum" or appeal to the people. (go ahead look it up)
Just because somethings popular doesn't make it right.
Distant Cousins by the way aren't safe to breed
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@Jaejong- I sent you a PM with two links, it's a documentary made by the BBC called 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed', it aired in August, 2008, and BBC stopped airing Crufts (Crufts is the main UKC dog show).
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May I have those links I may be interested
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But as dogs are bred, while threats remain due to being bred in their family because anything has a chance of being inherited, and the genetics stretch out it becomes less dangerous.
I of course know dogs used to be bred just to keep species around, that's more or less the same with all kinds of animals now isn't it? The same aspect though is that inbred purebreds aren't the only type of dog that can suffer from this or that which is known.
And things are still being questioned and worked out not everything has yet to be determined for sure as far as I know.
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Being bred by humans and animals naturally reproducing are totally different things.
It's the same as saying humans playing god and nature doing its thing are the same.
And just because a purebred isn't the only kind of dog that can suffer from a genetic defect does in no way justify encouraging people to interbreed animals that are known to be more likely to have these genetic defects by doing so.
Genes are passed down by the mother and the father giving a "set" of their characteristics, this information is held in "chromosomes" Genetics don't spread out into being less related when you interbreed. In fact the exact opposite is true. The DNA sequence of a relative is closer then that of a stranger.
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In the wild, yes it happens. But the week and pore gens don't get passed. Also mutations are common in the wild and there for makes new strains. You can't compare wild animals to dogs. The situations are in no way alike. Dogs breed with who humans think is right. If a mutation occurs, they wont breed that dog.
Genetics don't 'stretch', whatever genes on in a dog are there. Nothing new gets introduced, nothing old can be taken out. It's the same line over and over and over.
Evaluation is natural and adds more DNA into a species as they grow , change and move into different environments. When the breed is controlled, as in dogs and other domesticated animals, it's stop to ensure the genes you have stay the same. How can they change if your only taking other distant relatives and breeding them? It's still all interbred, there is no 'safe' interbreeding.
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Evolution is natures form of selective breeding be it Macro or Micro. So nature decides what is strong enough to survive. What is not strong enough doesn't reproduce. Or it does reproduce and it dies off because it is not good enough. Or it adapts to become good enough. (Usually through genetic changes)
And to add to the humans not breeding the dog. Humans will continue to breed the dog regardless of the problems they face. It is really sad and inhumane to force interbreeding when you know they are so much more likely to face certain defects.
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I think that responsible breeding is a good thing. A real breeder knows not to inbreed and if you've ever talked to anyone that's informative about dog breeding you'd know that. I HATE when people who don't care about the breed or don't know what they're doing try to breed dogs. It's irresponsible and I do think that people should have to have a permit to breed cats or dogs.
Mutts are NOT a good thing. They are a result of overpopulation and a result of people not giving a damn about how the dog turns out. I think that breeding any animal that has known health issues/aggression issues is horrible considering that the issues can be passed down to their offspring. When you breed random animals together you have no way of finding out health issues and things like that in the lineage. Selective breeding helps prevent health and other issues.
There are also too many badly bred pets that I personally see that come into the vet office with messed up hips and other health issues that are bred out when breeders are responsible about what dogs they breed. In short I think that not everyone who claims to be a "breeder" should have the right to breed dogs. There are very few good breeders out there and I think that people need to be more educated about where they buy their dogs from.
I don't support buying any cats or dogs for the most part unless you're going to show them. There's no reason to let a perfectly good pet that's in an animal shelter be killed because someone's looking for a purebred pet. Pets are just for companionship and don't need to serve a function and there for do not need to be purebred. By function I mean they are not working dogs and are more there just to be with people.
I also think that there are certain dogs such as herding dogs that should not be sold as pets and should only be kept as working dogs since they're happier and healthier when they're working.
My short answer to the question is that selective breeding is a good thing but unless you're dog needs to be a working dog then rescue a mutt and spay or castrate your pets.
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I disagree with your mutts not being a good thing entirely by the way. Just because someone can't tell what might be passed on it is still much less likely that the genetic defect will be passed on when a dog is mixed.
Mutts are not the result of overpopulation.
Mutts are the result of one breed of dog mating with another, that is all.
Selective breeding means your making health defects MORE likely to occur then mix breeding a pet.
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02-23-2009, 05:04 AM
Selective breeding means that you breed animals that DO NOT have the health defects and there for they DO NOT occur in the offspring as often. Mutts are the result of people not being responsible and not spaying or castrating their animals most of the time. Why do you think that most dogs that are euthanize in animal shelters are mixed breeds? It's because people can't fix their damn animals which is an overpopulation issue.
I'm not entirely against mutts by the way. I do think that there are mutts that do make great pets but it's when people overpopulate them is when issues occur such as dogs being killed because people feel the need to keep their dogs intact.
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Wonderwice
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02-23-2009, 05:06 AM
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Haha as do you. It's great to have discussions where people know what they are talking about. I've spent much free time finding out as much as I can but most of what I know I learned in high school, I spent half the day at a vet assistance program for two years.
To me there is no such thing as "responsible breeding" it's simply a nice way of saying you force something to breed with something you want it to and get the outcome you want. It's not possible these days. ALL pure breeds have health issues due mostly to interbreed far down the line. It doesn't matter if you have a 'good linage' for a dog, fact is their ancestors are closely related and it carries to today.
All pure breeds are results of mutts, people just kept breeding the same mutt over and over to make a new breed. It happens all the time, even today. Everyone is breeding everything with Poodles and they are becoming accepted breeds in society. People are paying thousands for mutts. Dog are decedents from wolves and share common ancestor. They mutated and created new breeds. People breed those new breeds and created even more new breeds. More mutations happen and so on and so on.
Really, all dogs are mutts of wolves. It's all in what mutt you breed with what mutt and create a breed you want and you make that breed many times over, build up a strong linage for it and there you go, a brand new breed of dog to suit your needs.
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Seph Lonehart
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02-23-2009, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mystic
Selective breeding means that you breed animals that DO NOT have the health defects and there for they DO NOT occur in the offspring as often. Mutts are the result of people not being responsible and not spaying or castrating their animals most of the time. Why do you think that most dogs that are euthanize in animal shelters are mixed breeds? It's because people can't fix their damn animals which is an overpopulation issue.
I'm not entirely against mutts by the way. I do think that there are mutts that do make great pets but it's when people overpopulate them is when issues occur such as dogs being killed because people feel the need to keep their dogs intact.
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mutt
1901, "stupid or foolish person," probably a shortening of muttonhead (1803); meaning "a dog," especially "a mongrel" is from 1904, originally simply a term of contempt.
mutt
Noun 1. A mongrel dog.
2. A stupid person; a dolt.
mongrel
noun
1. being of mixed kind or uncertain origin
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(Both words ripped from from online dictionaries and heavens no not urban dict.)
Dogs are killed because it is not financially sound or sane, to freely shelter a dog you pick up off the streets until the end of their natural life.
These dogs that are on the streets may never of even been owned either. Dogs are not killed when people feel a need to keep their dogs intact. If people didn't want their dogs mating badly enough they would watch them more closely and not let them outside unwatched.
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Haha as do you. It's great to have discussions where people know what they are talking about. I've spent much free time finding out as much as I can but most of what I know I learned in high school, I spent half the day at a vet assistance program for two years.
To me there is no such thing as "responsible breeding" it's simply a nice way of saying you force something to breed with something you want it to and get the outcome you want. It's not possible these days. ALL pure breeds have health issues due mostly to interbreed far down the line. It doesn't matter if you have a 'good linage' for a dog, fact is their ancestors are closely related and it carries to today.
All pure breeds are results of mutts, people just kept breeding the same mutt over and over to make a new breed. It happens all the time, even today. Everyone is breeding everything with Poodles and they are becoming accepted breeds in society. People are paying thousands for mutts. Dog are decedents from wolves and share common ancestor. They mutated and created new breeds. People breed those new breeds and created even more new breeds. More mutations happen and so on and so on.
Really, all dogs are mutts of wolves. It's all in what mutt you breed with what mutt and create a breed you want and you make that breed many times over, build up a strong linage for it and there you go, a brand new breed of dog to suit your needs.
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The point that pure breeding is a matter of perception is a very great point. As well as the fact that a certain species of dog may be considered a purebred simple perception as well. Man made these "Purebred" animals its not natural so I don't see how it can be considered "Pure" either.
More "Breeders" and their supporters need to look back at the common ancestry of dogs(Which is indeed the wolf) and learn how old their "Pure bred" animals linage actually is. (Possibly only an actually accepted breed within the last year sometimes?)
The main thing a lot of these purebred and inter mating supporters don't seem to realize is natural mutations are snuffed out when dogs are bred by humans like this. Put simply the dog that changed a little bit from what was desired doesn't get to live on to spread it's variations.
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Wonderwice
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02-23-2009, 05:29 AM
The spay/neuter issue is a huge problem, no one can argue with that. People who don't get their pets fixed are normally uneducated, poor or ignorant people or any mix of those. There are free/low cost programs all over the US that are doing their best to help the problem.
True most mutts are a result of people's shear ignorance, but that's not true all the time. There is just no room for them and so...most are killed. A horrible solution to a horrible situation.
The best way to stop the over breeding is to educate people in your area. I do what I can, though I know I could do more if I had the time or resources, and i have made a small impact. But for each person that you inform, even if they only inform one person, it will travel and expand.
-Though I'm getting a bit off topic ><-
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