Originally Posted by Deviant

What's the use of legalizing this?
Will it suddenly stop idiotic people from abusing it?
Will it suddenly become 'healthy' for you?

I agree with the statement that drugs don't make a person stupid, but stupid people do drugs--and that's why we have laws.

Let's think of two other unhealthy things that we've made legal; alcohol and tobacco. Now has either of the legalizations and taxations of these things kept idiotic people from abusing them? Psh, no.

You know another thing that really annoys me? When people try to tell me that pot is okay because people like Bob Marley said so. No, Bob Marley was a Rastafarian. Rastafarians believe that pot is an essential part of their spiritual practices. So unless you involve weed in some sort of spiritual practice, how is what Bob Marley said relevant to your just wanting to get high on a Friday night without consequences?

And finally, the whole argument about weed not being the least bit addicting is bullocks. If you ask any person who used to smoke pot, half of them will tell you that they were smoking at least once every week without a vaporizer. Yeah, they may say they could have quit, but they didn't. Don't you think that a habit you continue to do on a weekly basis doesn't qualify as addicting? Sounds awful fishy to me.

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Just so you know Albert Einstein smoked weed.

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Don't talk about things you know nothing of. Addiction is the definition of physically depending on it, like tobacco addiction. The human body does not depend on THC. It's an habitual drug, not an addicting drug.


Also, anyone who thinks Marijuana is bad for you should take the time to open the pages of the history books and realize that we as humans have cultivated weed since..well..ever. It was the very first agricultural plant, used for many medicinal purposes. Anti-Inflammatory, anti-depressant, promoting of healthy digestive tract, preventative chemicals against cancer. [ and the recent discovery that, when cooked with vegetable oil and mixed in a certain way, even cures cancer, by fusing itself with the cancerous cell, then destroying itself] It even temporarily prevent MS attacks.

Marijuana is one of the healthiest things you could ever consume. But noooo, why smoke weed when you have all the highly toxic pharmaceutical medication available right?
Go ahead, destroy your kidneys and be forever dependent on medication.
Marijuana has the largest list of medicinal benefits for a natural plant product.

I myself smoke it due to a heart condition I have, I would be dead without it. Sure, I could take medication, but I dont feel like destroying my organs.

All these threads about whether or not weed is bad or not are completely pointless, thousands of scientists have lost their license disproving the 200 years of government stupidity and their reason as to "why marijuana is bad"
News flash, IT ISNT!!
The only reason why it is because some dumbass American scientists put a monkey in a cage and attached a jet breathing apparatus to its face. They then replaced the O2 feed with Marijuana smoke. Every time that monkey breathed out it was releasing carbon monoxide. That poor thing was killing itself with every breath. The lack of oxygen fried his brain cells, and when they did the autopsy they assumed the weed killed his brain cells. Before this test was done Marijuana was LEGAL. It was legal for nearly 2000 years XD

They even went as far by saying Marijuana made black men rape and kill white women. I mean seriously, this is YOUR government telling you this. And YOU are agreeing with it. And you dare say people who do drugs are stupid.

In fact, during the time of WWII You could get arrested for NOT growing Marijuana plants. AND you could pay your taxes with it. The USA alone would make 90 trillion dollars in the first year if they legalized and taxed Marijuana.



I could go on and on but really, those people that believe its bad are one-minded and will never understand why weed isnt bad for you.

Originally Posted by .Jazzed

I think it should be decriminalized but not completely legalized.

No, decriminalizing is really dumb :P
You cant get in trouble for smoking it BUT you cant grow it or sell it, so how do they expect you to smoke it in the first place?
The whole "decriminalizing" thing is extremely flawed

"I agree with the statement that drugs don't make a person stupid, but stupid people do drugs--and that's why we have laws."

How exactly did both of you interpret that statement?
Did I say ALL people who use drugs are stupid? No.
I said that there are stupid people who do drugs, it's a fact.

There are also really smart people that do drugs. :P

Originally Posted by Philomel

No, legalizing it does not stop people from abusing it. No one has said it does. Legalizing does keep people who aren't hurting anyone but themselves out of prison, thus helping with overcrowding, and would serve as a new source of tax revenue. But making it illegal doesn't keep people from abusing it, either. Instead, it allows for shady business dealings, it makes people willing to die and kill to grow, smuggle, and sell it because making something illegal decreases the supply while keeping the demand the same, thus raising the price and the lengths people are willing to go to make money off it, and it allows for absolutely no sort of quality control. In short, your mentality is responsible for drug wars, human trafficking, and countless deaths, all because you think pot is stupid and therefore do not care what happens to the people involved with it.

And for your information, "stupid people doing drugs" is NOT why we have drug laws. Almost every drug law currently on the books came about because of politics or greed or racism. Cocaine, for instance, was considered a cure-all and far from illegal...until people noticed that it was largely the African American community using it. Americans were big fans of opium until it became associated with the hated Asian immigrants to the US and they decided to outlaw it. Likewise, marijuana was only criminalized because hemp could be used for just about everything and because it was so much cheaper and easier to grow than just about any other suitable plant, the paper industry lobbied to have it made illegal to grow, and launched a smear campaign to make sure it was associated with mental illness and uncontrollable behaviour. The result? People like you who believe it's the devil and a still-existing demand for hemp that can only legally be met by importing it from China or other countries that didn't succumb so easily to the propaganda, since we can't grow it here. Way to go.


I really like that you used the example of people not doing what you say as proof it's addicting. Ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe they didn't quit because they didn't want to quit, and not because they couldn't? I am told the high from pot is enjoyable, so why would they stop just because you want them to? Facts are facts, and the fact is, the chemicals in marijuana do not mimic any chemicals produced by our own bodies, which is how physical addiction happens. You can get mentally addicted to it, certainly, but you can get mentally addicted to absolutely anything. It all depends on the person in question, and if the person in question has become mentally addicted to pot, they also likely are mentally addicted to a number of things you likely have no problem with in and of themselves, like TV or the computer or chocolate or exercising or dieting or reading.

Let's think of a lot of other unhealthy things that we haven't made illegal. Caffeine or fried foods or even excess sugar, for instance. I personally think eating meat or eggs or drinking milk, with the already lax and fairly unenforced food safety laws we have in this country, is a stupid thing to do, yet even me just saying that gets me compared to Hitler and even accused of treason, let alone if I suggested we outlaw them. But am I not thinking of public safety? Am I not policing people for the sake of preventing them from doing something unhealthy, something I see as "stupid"? The fact is, we are allowed to do what we want with our bodies, and it's a damned good thing. We can pierce ourselves, tattoo ourselves, scar ourselves, eat the most unhealthy, disgusting junk we can find. We can even consume things we know will almost certainly kill us eventually, and not only is it entirely legal, but when we eventually have a heart attack or a severe allergic reaction or develop cancer, the hospital can't go, "Well, you're a dumbass, so we're not wasting our time on you". We are treated the same as people who suffered things completely beyond their control, at no fault of their own. That is the right we have to our bodies, the right to do what we please with our bodies as long as we aren't hurting anyone else. By and large, the only time non-pot smokers are adversely affected by pot, it stems from problems that would completely disappear were it legal. True, there are many laws besides the anti-marijuana laws that violate our rights to our own bodies, but every law like this that is done away with is a step in the right direction. And really, what is more important: forcing our personal moral codes and sensibilities on everyone else so that you're as comfortable with their personal lives as you are with yours, or cutting down on violence and crime and providing a safe environment for people to do what they would be doing regardless of whether or not it was illegal, only with more danger to their wellbeing than could possibly come from inhaling plant smoke?

Originally Posted by Deviant

"I agree with the statement that drugs don't make a person stupid, but stupid people do drugs--and that's why we have laws."

How exactly did both of you interpret that statement?
Did I say ALL people who use drugs are stupid? No.
I said that there are stupid people who do drugs, it's a fact.

^

And just to get back to the debate at hand, did legalizing alcohol and tobacco stop trafficking in those respects? No, there is still an underground industry for cheap tobacco and booze. We still have 'shady businesses' trying to avoid government interferences for the sake of money.
In the end, people who are out to make money won't care what the drug does to the people they sell them to. And pot is stupid, fyi.

And where did you get that bigoted information that cocaine use was discontinued because the 'african american community' was using it? They discontinued cocaine use in commercial drinks and elixirs because the side-effects of cocaine addiction were finally being noted. I don't think weed is the "devil", (childish analogy LOL, brava. Way to stick words into my mouth.), I just don't think it's smart or healthy for anyone to be using.

My 'example' is perfectly fine, I don't see how I'm contradicting myself. If a person goes to rehab to quit a smoking addiction, were they suddenly not ever addicted to smoking? If someone goes cold-turkey from cigarettes, does that suddenly mean that they were never at a point where their brains had a nicotine addiction? If a person decides to quit smoking pot, does it mean that they never had a mental dependency on it? No.

And in your example of 'foods', sugars are ESSENTIAL to someone's diet. Your body can't live without intakes of certain fats and sugars. So why then should particular foods be illegal whereas pot is NOT essential to your survival?

That was a horrible example. :|

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Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

There are also really smart people that do drugs. :P

Exactly. And sometimes smart people make really dumb choices.

Originally Posted by Deviant

And pot is stupid, fyi.

That's because plants don't have brains ;)

@Deviant - Uhm, pot is healthy, for a lot of people.
About everyone who has any heart condition, eating disorders, MS, Cancer. And about a thousand other conditions.

Including myself, Marijuana has kept my heart in regulation for many years now, without it, I'd be dead. So not healthy? Think again.

Originally Posted by Keyori

That's because plants don't have brains ;)

I giggled :3

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Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

@Deviant - Uhm, pot is healthy, for a lot of people.
About everyone who has any heart condition, eating disorders, MS, Cancer. And about a thousand other conditions.

Including myself, Marijuana has kept my heart in regulation for many years now, without it, I'd be dead. So not healthy? Think again.

What kinds of eating disorders?
And the whole reason they use medicinal marijuana for cancer is to relieve people of the pain, and stop them from being sick all the time.

It's not that I don't believe you when you say that it has kept your heart in regulation, but there are many drugs that people take that don't exactly have true 'healthy' benefits. If all it's doing is keeping your heart in regulation, then what else is it doing? What would be the medical benefits of someone else using that who weren't already using it for pain relief or a heart condition? A pill of Bayer can do both of those things.

Bayer doesn't relieve pain the way that marijuana can. I had a friend who passed away last October from renal cell carcinoma. He said pot was the best pain killer he ever had. It had helped his appetite, put off his nausea, and allowed him to eat and move about without being so uncomfortable. He really didn't understand why people are so against it, especially for medicinal use.

And trust me, aspirin would not have worked for him. There's a reason that hospitals will put you on a morphine drip instead of giving you a bayer.

Also, have you ever herd of Reye's Syndrome? It can kill you. Marijuana, in sensible doses, will not be any more dangerous than aspirin.

Originally Posted by Deviant

I giggled :3

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What kinds of eating disorders?
And the whole reason they use medicinal marijuana for cancer is to relieve people of the pain, and stop them from being sick all the time.

It's not that I don't believe you when you say that it has kept your heart in regulation, but there are many drugs that people take that don't exactly have true 'healthy' benefits. If all it's doing is keeping your heart in regulation, then what else is it doing? What would be the medical benefits of someone else using that who weren't already using it for pain relief or a heart condition? A pill of Bayer can do both of those things.

It relieves me of the 24hours im in pain. And really, the other things it helps me with, and my other medical conditions is private. So I'll leave it at that.
Oh and of course, lets mention Bayer a prescription drug.

The whole point Im making is that Marijuana, when consumed responsibly, is a lot healthier then prescription drugs.
Everyone knows that doctors are paid by the government to keep throwing pills at you. The government knows the medical benefits of Marijuana. Everyone knows, its just that the majority refuses to accept this fact.

Originally Posted by Keyori

Bayer doesn't relieve pain the way that marijuana can. I had a friend who passed away last October from renal cell carcinoma. He said pot was the best pain killer he ever had. It had helped his appetite, put off his nausea, and allowed him to eat and move about without being so uncomfortable. He really didn't understand why people are so against it, especially for medicinal use.

And trust me, aspirin would not have worked for him. There's a reason that hospitals will put you on a morphine drip instead of giving you a bayer.

Exactly. As a pain reliever, and as a medical use I can see marijuana being useful.

But for some average joe coming up to me on the street and trying to tell me that it's 'healthy' for regular people without any conditions? I just don't see it.

Originally Posted by Deviant

Exactly. As a pain reliever, and as a medical use I can see marijuana being useful.

But for some average joe coming up to me on the street and trying to tell me that it's 'healthy' for regular people without any conditions? I just don't see it.

Take the time to look into it then, and you will know, instead of just saying that for regular people it does nothing.

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

It relieves me of the 24hours im in pain. And really, the other things it helps me with, and my other medical conditions is private. So I'll leave it at that.
Oh and of course, lets mention Bayer a prescription drug.

The whole point Im making is that Marijuana, when consumed responsibly, is a lot healthier then prescription drugs.
Everyone knows that doctors are paid by the government to keep throwing pills at you. The government knows the medical benefits of Marijuana. Everyone knows, its just that the majority refuses to accept this fact.

Who's to say if they hypothetically made marijuana legal (and assuming the government would have to regulate that and tax that as well) that the doctors wouldn't be paid to throw that to people as well?

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Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Take the time to look into it then, and you will know, instead of just saying that for regular people it does nothing.

Well inform me, for the regular person who doesn't have an eating disorder, cancer, a heart condition, or etc. how is it 'healthy?'

I'd like to see other non-recreational use of hemp legal as well. Y'know, like for making paper, or as an alternative to soy plastic (less expensive + doesn't interfere with food supply).

The problem with the U.S. ban is that it's not legal to do ANYTHING with it, not just recreational use.

Well for one, it's a general preventative.
It clears the tar out of the lunges of smokers.
It regulates your digestive tract, and promotes a healthier appetite.
It helps people with sleeping issues.
It also regenerates and repairs, broken and or damaged cells.
It's an anti-depressant, anti-inflammatory.
It helps with anger issues.

The list goes on and on and on

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Well for one, it's a general preventative.
It clears the tar out of the lunges of smokers.
It regulates your digestive tract, and promotes a healthier appetite.
It helps people with sleeping issues.
It also regenerates and repairs, broken and or damaged cells.
It's an anti-depressant, anti-inflammatory.
It helps with anger issues.

The list goes on and on and on

Again, how is marijuana 'healthy' to the average person who has none of these conditions?

And the medical evidence to back all of this up, from a legitimate site...is where?



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Originally Posted by Keyori

I'd like to see other non-recreational use of hemp legal as well. Y'know, like for making paper, or as an alternative to soy plastic (less expensive + doesn't interfere with food supply).

The problem with the U.S. ban is that it's not legal to do ANYTHING with it, not just recreational use.

I could see this too.

@Deviant - lmfao. General preventative isnt for people with "issues"
Neither is an anti-depressant nor anti-inflammatory.

Regulation of your digestive tract, and promoting a healthier appetite also isnt an "issue"
And seeing that like 97% of a general population smokes or has smoked, it counts as "the average person"

Sleeping problems isnt always an "issue" neither is anger.

Or sorry a "condition"

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

@Deviant - lmfao. General preventative isnt for people with "issues"
Neither is an anti-depressant nor anti-inflammatory.

Regulation of your digestive tract, and promoting a healthier appetite also isnt an "issue"
And seeing that like 97% of a general population smokes or has smoked, it counts as "the average person"

Sleeping problems isnt always an "issue" neither is anger.

Or sorry a "condition"

Okay, but that still doesn't answer my question.

For the average person who doesn't need to have regulation of their digestion, for the person who doesn't have anger problems, sleeping problems, or lung problems from smoking...how is marijuana 'healthy?'

I guess I just don't see the connection of how this drug is immediately beneficial to someone who wasn't already suffering from a separate issue. The digestion thing I can kind of see now, but I haven't located a legitimate site that wasn't biased, and had actual studies that could tell me that.

Wow, you're just not getting this, at all.

No one NEEDS to have their digestive system regulated but it helps and they SHOULD because it is HEALTHY to do so.
And please, read a post before you respond, not being able to sleep isnt ALWAYS a problem, EVERYONE has those nights where they cant sleep or those days where you're just angry just because. And everything pisses you off. Weed would help get rid of it.

Also, EVERYONE smokes in one way or another, be it first hand or second hand smoke. Take the accumulation over several years and even a non-smoker will have tar in their lunges.

Ive answered your question several times now, if you still dont get it then I cannot help you and you should read a banned book called "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" It was written by a man who had access to many legit historical documentations and historic videos, etc etc.

His books were banned from every single book store in the world because he publically went against the government and disproved their "reason" for the banning of Weed, and also disproved all the myths and rumours on weed.



EDIT:: Or watch the documentary called " The Union: The business behind getting high"
Another EDIT:: It has been proven that smoking Marijuana promotes healthy brain cell growth.
By that reason alone EVERYONE should smoke Marijuana. Not necessarily every day, but on occasion

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Wow, you're just not getting this, at all.

No one NEEDS to have their digestive system regulated but it helps and they SHOULD because it is HEALTHY to do so.
And please, read a post before you respond, not being able to sleep isnt ALWAYS a problem, EVERYONE has those nights where they cant sleep or those days where you're just angry just because. And everything pisses you off. Weed would help get rid of it.

Also, EVERYONE smokes in one way or another, be it first hand or second hand smoke. Take the accumulation over several years and even a non-smoker will have tar in their lunges.

Ive answered your question several times now, if you still dont get it then I cannot help you and you should read a banned book called "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" It was written by a man who had access to many legit historical documentations and historic videos, etc etc.

His books were banned from every single book store in the world because he publically went against the government and disproved their "reason" for the banning of Weed, and also disproved all the myths and rumours on weed.



EDIT:: Or watch the documentary called " The Union: The business behind getting high"

But are there real, actual studies that have been done to back up your claims?
Or is this just propaganda you've picked up from 'documentaries' about being pro-marijuana?

Edit: Because if there are any at all, I'd like to look at them. You've said you know all about this stuff, but you can't provide any links to these apparently 'commonly' known facts?

Originally Posted by Deviant

But are there real, actual studies that have been done to back up your claims?
Or is this just propaganda you've picked up from 'documentaries' about being pro-marijuana?

Edit: Because if there are any at all, I'd like to look at them. You've said you know all about this stuff, but you can't provide any links to these apparently 'commonly' known facts?

Lol yeah, there have been several actual studies done to not back up not only MY claim.
And dont speak so hypocritically, you picked up your side of propaganda yourself.

And dont assume I cant provide you with links, I simply forgot to include it.

The only place to read that book is the only place its still available and thats his site.

Here

He makes the appropriate citations of every single document in history that he got his information from.

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Lol yeah, there have been several actual studies done to not back up not only MY claim.
And dont speak so hypocritically, you picked up your side of propaganda yourself.

And dont assume I cant provide you with links, I simply forgot to include it.

The only place to read that book is the only place its still available and thats his site.

Here

He makes the appropriate citations of every single document in history that he got his information from.

So, he's basing his opinion off historical contexts, and not actually by any modern studies that have been done on the use of marijuana....really?

I'm saying that I don't think smoking marijuana for other than medicinal use is neither healthy or smart. There just is no proof to back up either of our claims.

And you're trying to prove to me that smoking weed is going to restore cells?
/unconvinced

Originally Posted by Deviant

So, he's basing his opinion off historical contexts, and not actually by any modern studies that have been done on the use of marijuana....really?

I'm saying that I don't think smoking marijuana for other than medicinal use is neither healthy or smart. There just is no proof to back up either of our claims.

And you're trying to prove to me that smoking weed is going to restore cells?
/unconvinced

Yes, he bases his stuff on actual historical context and studies.
And modern studies would be better anyways because we have a lot more research capabilities then we did back then. Seeing that the ONLY reason why it is illegal now is because of those studies "back then" that later on were proven to be wrong.

And uhm, yeah there's a ton of evidence to back up the claims of it being healthy for "regular people" as you like to put it.
Also, im not trying to prove shit to you about Marijuana restoring cells, I dont have to prove anything because its been proven way before I even knew what weed was XD

But I highly doubt anything is going to convince you about anything.

All I can tell you is instead of being so stubborn about it, take the time to read a few books, whether or not you are convinced the source is "legit."

Every lie has truth to it ;)

I've said enough about this subject and I will make my leave now.
Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Deviant

And just to get back to the debate at hand, did legalizing alcohol and tobacco stop trafficking in those respects? No, there is still an underground industry for cheap tobacco and booze. We still have 'shady businesses' trying to avoid government interferences for the sake of money.

And making it illegal made the mafia more powerful than the cops during Prohibition. Furthermore, you missed the entire point. When you go to a licensed alcohol distributor, you can be pretty damned sure they're not going to shoot you and take your money or put LSD in your drink. For illegal substances, there is no regulation, there is no accountability. You just have to trust that your dealer plans on keeping his end of the bargain. Were it legalized (note that I'm saying *legalized*, not *decriminalized*, and there is a vast difference between the two), it would likely work much like the sale of alcohol does, in that, while private producers do exist, you go to them at your own risk and they are not your only option.

In the end, people who are out to make money won't care what the drug does to the people they sell them to. And pot is stupid, fyi.

And if pot were legalized, which is what you're AGAINST, it wouldn't be up to them to care.

Also, pot isn't stupid, FYI. See, I can do it too!

And where did you get that bigoted information that cocaine use was discontinued because the 'african american community' was using it? They discontinued cocaine use in commercial drinks and elixirs because the side-effects of cocaine addiction were finally being noted. I don't think weed is the "devil", (childish analogy LOL, brava. Way to stick words into my mouth.), I just don't think it's smart or healthy for anyone to be using.

Um, I'm talking about its use as a drug, not just an additive. And it's not bigoted. What's bigoted is all the propaganda posters and cartoons stating outright that if cocaine wasn't made illegal, black men would just go around raping white women. I don't know why they decided that's what high people do, but they did.

Cocaine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This mentions what I was talking about. With any luck, it has a link to a propaganda poster somewhere in the article. Some of them are actually really hilarious in their caricatures of both black men and white women, if they weren't so infuriating.

My 'example' is perfectly fine, I don't see how I'm contradicting myself. If a person goes to rehab to quit a smoking addiction, were they suddenly not ever addicted to smoking? If someone goes cold-turkey from cigarettes, does that suddenly mean that they were never at a point where their brains had a nicotine addiction? If a person decides to quit smoking pot, does it mean that they never had a mental dependency on it? No.

Yet again, you're showing that you don't understand addictions. Nicotine is an addictive substance, that's why they add it and why they got in trouble for adding too much of it. When you stop smoking it, your body goes into withdrawals. These are not mental. In fact, the withdrawals from some things, like meth, can actually kill you. Stop smoking pot, and no matter how long you've smoked it, there are no withdrawals. It is entirely mental. And I guess you didn't read the part where I said that yes, it is possible to be mentally addicted to pot, but that does not factor into the conversation at all because you can be mentally addicted to absolutely anything. You could argue that we should make soda illegal and have just as much backing.

And in your example of 'foods', sugars are ESSENTIAL to someone's diet. Your body can't live without intakes of certain fats and sugars. So why then should particular foods be illegal whereas pot is NOT essential to your survival?

That was a horrible example. :|

No, you just can't read, apparently.

Caffeine or fried foods or even excess sugar, for instance.

Excess. By definition, that means more than is necessary or healthy. But thanks for trying to devalue my point by intentionally misrepresenting it.

Further, everything I mentioned is actively unhealthy. Very unhealthy. Caffeine is (physically) addictive and can make you jittery. A diet high in fried foods can cause serious heart problems. Pot is just about as unhealthy as inhaling polluted air, and there are ways to use it that don't involve smoking it, negating the one side effect. Except when used with other substances or in special, extreme cases that don't even apply to the vast majority of the population, that's the only negative health effect associated with pot.

Exactly. And sometimes smart people make really dumb choices.

Like being against something just for the sake of being against it.

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Yes, he bases his stuff on actual historical context and studies.
And modern studies would be better anyways because we have a lot more research capabilities then we did back then. Seeing that the ONLY reason why it is illegal now is because of those studies "back then" that later on were proven to be wrong.

And uhm, yeah there's a ton of evidence to back up the claims of it being healthy for "regular people" as you like to put it.
Also, im not trying to prove shit to you about Marijuana restoring cells, I dont have to prove anything because its been proven way before I even knew what weed was XD

But I highly doubt anything is going to convince you about anything.

All I can tell you is instead of being so stubborn about it, take the time to read a few books, whether or not you are convinced the source is "legit."

Every lie has truth to it ;)

I've said enough about this subject and I will make my leave now.
Have a nice day.

You're giving me a reference to a book, written by a person who is obviously biased, who is probably using old information to back up his opinion.
I could reference you to an anti-marijuana prop site that I know for a fact is unnecessarily biased, and I could say the same thing to you.

I'm having trouble with this, because logistically some of your points just aren't adding up.

You're not describing to me HOW marijuana "removes tar from a smokers lungs" (which in all seriousness I find ironic if this person isn't using a vaporizer), or how it "restores cells." If you can't tell me how any of this works, if you can't give me a link to a modern, independent, unbiased group who did a study on this...then yes, I will be stubborn in believing you.

I'm saying this drug isn't the miracle drug.

Oh and one more thing actually, the only PROVEN actual "side effect" of smoking Marijuana, is sleepyness, hunger and happiness.

As of yet, to date, there have been no studies that were able to find negative side effects of weed