I have to be at work until 11pm. Be back later. :)

Originally Posted by Deviant

You're giving me a reference to a book, written by a person who is obviously biased, who is probably using old information to back up his opinion.
I could reference you to an anti-marijuana prop site that I know for a fact is unnecessarily biased, and I could say the same thing to you.

I'm having trouble with this, because logistically some of your points just aren't adding up.

You're not describing to me HOW marijuana "removes tar from a smokers lungs" (which in all seriousness I find ironic if this person isn't using a vaporizer), or how it "restores cells." If you can't tell me how any of this works, if you can't give me a link to a modern, independent, unbiased group who did a study on this...then yes, I will be stubborn in believing you.

I'm saying this drug isn't the miracle drug.

Actually it is written by a guy who took the time to look at both sides of the story, but you wouldnt know this because you havent read it. :talk2hand:

Seriously, just watch The Union and read the book, you'll learn a thing or two
Good day.

[poofs]

Originally Posted by MySQL ERROR

Oh and one more thing actually, the only PROVEN actual "side effect" of smoking Marijuana, is sleepyness, hunger and happiness.

As of yet, to date, there have been no studies that were able to find negative side effects of weed

Well, that, and it's a given that there's the same effects as any other smoked substance (such as bronchitis, tarry lungs, etc.)

I think decriminalization would be a sensible option, much like the dutch model of drug law. Decriminalization alleviated their huge heroin issues and in no way had the law change made marijuana more of a gateway drug for the dutch people. If anything, its made marijuana a boring thing, and in a lot of cases drugs altogether.

If you look at places like Norway where they have extremely tight laws on drugs, you'll find that the dealers there are making a serious killing.

Originally Posted by kollusim

I think decriminalization would be a sensible option, much like the dutch model of drug law. Decriminalization alleviated their huge heroin issues and in no way had the law change made marijuana more of a gateway drug for the dutch people. If anything, its made marijuana a boring thing, and in a lot of cases drugs altogether.

If you look at places like Norway where they have extremely tight laws on drugs, you'll find that the dealers there are making a serious killing.

I didn't know Norway took such a hardline against drugs. I do agree with you decriminalization of marijuana would be one of the best solutions.

I refuse to throw myself into a debate on the legalization of marijuana, because I see it as a pointless debate (people are making claims and not backing them up, and I haven't the time or patience to argue). However, I will throw this link out, as I have yet to see it in this thread.

Erowid Cannabis (Marijuana) Vault

There you go. There's some information for you. If anyone intends to twist my words or wishes to have an argument with me, please, by all means, instant message me (AIM: xxStitchez).

By the way, guys; learn to use Google. Lots of information, everywhere, including legitimate, unbiased information, if you know what you're looking for. I think you're all a LITTLE too uptight about things.

Originally Posted by ReiketsuMegami

I refuse to throw myself into a debate on the legalization of marijuana, because I see it as a pointless debate (people are making claims and not backing them up, and I haven't the time or patience to argue). However, I will throw this link out, as I have yet to see it in this thread.

Erowid Cannabis (Marijuana) Vault

There you go. There's some information for you. If anyone intends to twist my words or wishes to have an argument with me, please, by all means, instant message me (AIM: xxStitchez).

By the way, guys; learn to use Google. Lots of information, everywhere, including legitimate, unbiased information, if you know what you're looking for. I think you're all a LITTLE too uptight about things.

I would be inclined to search medical research sites like Pubmed rather then relying on a website that has hand picked a selection of studies. As soon as a website claims that marijuana is a 100% x,y and z, you should immediately be weary. No credible marijuana related research would ever claim to be 100% conclusive. The likelihood is that the website has chosen to misrepresent the research findings to prove it's own bias.
I am for the legalization of marijuana but I'm skeptical about websites who preach truths about an under studied substance.

I believe it should be legal, but I am not a pot smoker. When alcohol was banned in the 1920's, it caused crime. We have crime over marijuana right now. If we legalize marijuana to extent, I believe it can lower the crime rate. I propose that marijuana prescriptions are the only legal form of marijuana and you can obtain medical marijuana by picking some up at the pharmacy. Some may say this would cause pharmacy break-ins, but realistically, pharmacies do deal out drugs that are more insane than marijuana and are more expensive. I bet that anyone breaking in to a pharmacy will steal the oxycontin first and only the inexperienced will reach for the marijuana first because it is more well known and they do not know the prices of what they passed up. This is, of course, worst case scenarios. I also recommend that grower's licenses be dealt. The restrictions here would be that you can only grow a certain amount of plants or plants up to a certain size or both. Who really needs 7 foot tall plants for medical purposes? No one does. That saying, medical marijuana licenses expire and can only be renewed if the doctor says your condition is improving, but you need more until you have recovered.

It's not that I have anything against marijuana, I only have stuff against those who get licenses and sell plants but never get arrested because of their licenses and I am tired of licenses being dealt out so easily.

Originally Posted by Ryokushin

Now--what do people say? "Well then they will drive," of course they will drive. But--what about this? If you ask stoners "What are some ways to catch someone being high, if pulled over, and we'll legalize marijuana." I'm sure that there would be billions of suggestions as to how.

It's insanely easy to tell if someone who is high when they're driving. They go insanely slow (probably somewhere around the 5 mph range xD ) And even then, someone who is driving while high isn't REALLY a danger...they're just as careful as they are when they aren't high, they just go really really slow.

I personally feel it should be legalized as to royally screw potheads out of having anything to talk about ever again.

Furthermore, as someone who doesn't utilize any drugs, I personally have no problem with it being legalized. I feel it should be taxed heavily and utilized as a source of income.

That said, if offered pot, I'd have to laugh and say "No, I'm not in the 7th grade anymore and as an adult I have things to do."

So in conclusion:

Yes. Legalize it so potheads cannot bitch about it anymore.

Yes. Legalize it and tax it to the ends of the earth until potheads regret talking about it so much.

Yes. Legalize it. I wont utilize this new-found law as I'm a grown up and have too much to do than utilize a drug to get away from my problems.

Originally Posted by TheYaoiButterfly

It's insanely easy to tell if someone who is high when they're driving. They go insanely slow (probably somewhere around the 5 mph range xD ) And even then, someone who is driving while high isn't REALLY a danger...they're just as careful as they are when they aren't high, they just go really really slow.

If they were to legalize marijuana, there would probably set laws similar to the ones with drinking. I don't know why people assume that legalizing marijuana means that they would also make it okay to drive high. There would be limits, such as if you get pulled over and you are high you'll be arrested, get something similar to a DUI, or whatever.

As for driving slow, you can get pulled over for that. Or so I have heard. o_o

Even though it is not legalized right now, people continuously smoke it and brag about it. As if being a pothead is an accomplishment now a days, something to be proud of.

I swear. I mean, I have talked about this with my girlfriend and realized it's not always to a point where people are out of control in their use, but from my standpoint....

Regardless if it gets legalized or not, I think that people should stop "bragging" about getting high.

Originally Posted by EmptyMind

Even though it is not legalized right now, people continuously smoke it and brag about it. As if being a pothead is an accomplishment now a days, something to be proud of.

I swear. I mean, I have talked about this with my girlfriend and realized it's not always to a point where people are out of control in their use, but from my standpoint....

Regardless if it gets legalized or not, I think that people should stop "bragging" about getting high.

*is the girlfriend mentioned*

I believe that there are a good number of people who do drugs, marijuana included, because of the cool factor. It is, after all, one of the thousands of reasons why someone would do drugs or even try them. Peer pressure can be a big factor when you are fourteen. I feel that it is similar to the teenagers who drink alcohol because it's considered cool. Would they be doing it as often if it was legal?

Scratch that. Would some people still be doing marijuana if it was legalized?

Well, I think it's better if they just legalize a small amount of it so that people would not go to other less legal places just to get it. And I don't agree with larger amounts because it might be life-threatening if you accidentally smoked enough marijuana for 30 people and didn't notice it was that much. No matter how people say "a bit more can't hurt", it soooo ain't true because you can die if you eat too much (yes, someone died of overeating potatoes in PEI), drinking to much (too much water in stomach -> stomach rejects water (or bursts/leaks/damages a ton and you might have to get it treated quickly before it gets fatal or something :( )

Originally Posted by LaVida

Well, I think it's better if they just legalize a small amount of it so that people would not go to other less legal places just to get it. And I don't agree with larger amounts because it might be life-threatening if you accidentally smoked enough marijuana for 30 people and didn't notice it was that much. No matter how people say "a bit more can't hurt", it soooo ain't true because you can die if you eat too much (yes, someone died of overeating potatoes in PEI), drinking to much (too much water in stomach -> stomach rejects water (or bursts/leaks/damages a ton and you might have to get it treated quickly before it gets fatal or something :( )

Except that you can't overdose on it. You would die of smoke inhalation long before that happened. Anything else is based entirely on the person in question, and you cannot regulate behaviour.

Tell me, should we start regulating Tylenol? Too much of that can kill you. Cough syrup certainly can, yet the only attempts at regulation have been aimed at reducing meth production. Prescription drugs are even worse. By that line of logic, we should start limiting prescriptions to less than can kill you, say two or three doses for most drugs.

Philomel>> well, for Tylenol, it seems as though most people that take it uses it properly or overdoses on purpose trying to knock themselves out or commit suicide. If you think about it, dieing by overdose of Tylenol would be much less messy and cause way less trouble than jumping off a bridge or jumping in front of a car or stuff like that.

Prescription drugs are by prescription only, right?

The two or three doses are usually said on the carton. That's what I'm trying to say for marijuana. It would be better if they legalize it and just say "blabbity, blah blah blah amount is recommended. Effects of drug include blah blah blah blah. CAUTION: blah blah blah"

and hey, who knows, maybe they'll keep on smoking it until they die of smoke inhalation :P

Thanks, Miss. Knerd!

And ciggarettes and vodka are more dangerous than weed is. God made weed. Better than drinking. We should have the same restictions on it as alcohol, but the smoking age.

Since we already have a thread about the legalization of marijuana, I've gone ahead and merged your topic with it. :yes:

I don't smoke it but I do think it should be legal.

Anyone who thinks weed shouldn't be legalized is just misinformed, which is exactly what the government/pharmaceutical companies want to do. Go and watch the movie "The Union: The Business Behind Getting High" and see if it doesn't change your opinion

I could argue for the use of marijuana for hours and days and weeks but I'm a little burnt out on that right now. But it's practically legal already where I live (go California!) and I have my medical card.

Lucky Dejection. All I can legally get is K2. Blech, don't like how it tastes...Smells okay...

OMG! WE GOTS THEM FELLOW POT-SMOKAHZ! ^.^

OMG... we gots some fellow supporters!

...and alot of people against it too.... love flowing their way too tho... no hate no hostility here!

LEE-GULL-IZE!!!!!!

I have never smoked weed, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. (I voted 'not sure' because of that reason.) I will never try it though. I have heard from my friends that it's "Amazing" and "It makes you feel like your flying" and "Like your in another world". It sounds fun, but not for me :| I have heard that it gives you the 'munchies' and just makes you want to eat. Again, not for me. I honestly don't care if they legalize it. If you want to smoke, then smoke I guess. People believe in what they believe and as a citizen they have a free will. I'm not sure if smoking weed is the best decision... but ciggs. are legalized and they cause harm. Why is pot any different?

I don't think marijuana should be legalized. Sure it can do all this stuff that is beneficial, it is less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, whatever. But it DOES have really bad effects! It can make you depressed, it can impair your memory skills, it can cause hallucinations, anxiety and don't forget that you don't know where it is coming from, or what's been done to it. It is more potent than it has ever been. Plus, you don't know what it could be laced with. My best friend's uncle died from an overdose, and his kids are all addicts. One almost died because the marijuana he got was laced with some drug (PPC I think?) and her other two cousins have dropped off the face of the earth. It's not good, no matter what. The cons out weigh the pros!