I think the reason there has never been a white pride month is because simply, they've never been oppressed. It's never been "bad" to be white. Why do they need to rebel against close-minded ideology and celebrate their differences?

Take for example gay pride. If gay pride resulted in bashing heterosexuals that did nothing wrong, it would be looked down on. Simple as that. If white pride was just celebrating being white, with no other connotations. Nothing mentioning that blacks/asians/latinos were inferior to whites, I doubt there would be much problems.

Basically, white people screwed it up for themselves. Their pride resulted in the bashing of others, which is what it SHOULDN'T be.

Black pride recognizes the steps black people have made to become equals. Their fight for basic human rights. Just like gay pride.

I've wondered this before, and have found myself in many arguments before. I sort of get it now, and most of it has to do with just educated people on minorities.

But, just wanting to point out some things to others:

Random, while maybe looking at the country as a whole and it not being bad to be white, it is bad to be white in a lot of areas, especially inner-city areas. Here in Honolulu, if I'm not around with wish or a tourist spot, and I go into stores or whatnot, I get a lot of bad stares. Similarly, back in my hometown of Detroit, it's -very- bad to be white in a lot of places. You're asking for trouble if you walk down a lot of areas, and really, if you call the police, they'll call you stupid for being there.

Knerd, there's no "black" race or "hispanic" race either, if you're going on "white" not being a race. Your "black" race is considered "African-American" here, and looking at Africa, there's so many different countries, tribes, and everything else. Really, it's as different as the "white" race, what with France, Spain, Poland, and whatever European countries that make it up. Same goes with Central America and the "Hispanic" race. Cultures are very different there as well.

My Cuban friend almost killed this other guy for calling him a Mexican. Both is classified under being "hispanic."

A friend of mine said it excellent and simply.

"Pride is wrong, supremecy is."

What's that mean? O:

[tight avatar btw.]

Supremecy is the belief that for whatever reason, you are better than another person.
Which I believe does get confused with pride.

And thank you very much. xD Bartuc liked is so much he deemed it necessary to plagarize.

I'm pretty sure people don't mind if you say you're proud to be an American, rather than you're proud to be White. And 'White' is such a broad thing, anyway. There are so many different nationalities that comprise what people define as 'white,' they're basically just saying someone is white if they aren't African-American, Hispanic, or Asian. Heck, I don't even consider myself White, I've always told people I was Mediterranean. Being 'White' is so vague, there isn't much of an identity there to be proud of.

Originally Posted by Tension

My Cuban friend almost killed this other guy for calling him a Mexican. Both is classified under being "hispanic."

Oh wow, I know how that goes. My husband was Puerto Rican. You don't call a PR a Mexican and vice versa. Bad juju :no: !

Yes Bowie what you describe is reverse discrimination. It is not politically correct to be proud if you are white. Personally I think it has been taken too far. I am white and proud of it. If you are black or hispanic you also have the right to be proud. Until both sides of the fence accept the other there will always be racisim. Can you tell me why I shouldnt be proud to be white. I work hard, pay my bills, never ask anyone else for anything I dont work for myself. I also have many friends who are of other races that do the same. I think we should be proud of who we are and what we accomplish in life not the color of our skin.

In replying to Fabby that didnt understand why white pride? As it encompasses many different heritages. As you agreeing black pride doesn't make sense either. There are many different black heritages just like there are many white, Hispanic and Asian heritages. For instance an Ethiopian would be insulted if you implied they come from the Sudan. I know I lived in Africa for quite a few years in my childhood. Maybe they should start defining what part of the world their heritage is in. Then they can be proud.

@wandering echo- I don't really understand what you're getting at. Working hard and paying the bills is a reason to be proud of yourself, not of your race. Your race didn't help you pay the bills (or at least, hopefully it didn't) and not all white people do the same. That's a personal accomplishment.

It's really senseless to take pride in any skin color, like you say, but white is even broader than the others making it especially ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Fabby

@wandering echo- I don't really understand what you're getting at. Working hard and paying the bills is a reason to be proud of yourself, not of your race. Your race didn't help you pay the bills (or at least, hopefully it didn't) and not all white people do the same. That's a personal accomplishment.

It's really senseless to take pride in any skin color, like you say, but white is even broader than the others making it especially ridiculous.

It doesn't make it especially ridiculous any more than a "hate" crime is more of a crime than any other. Another peeve of mine-their is no such thing as a "hate" crime. ALL crime is equally bad.

Pride of what someone else did is ridiculous. Yeah, be happy Martin Luther King did this or that. Now we live in a better world. But take pride? I'm not against months for races, teach history, because, well, it's human history! It's information about the world you live in, but taking pride on it seems... vain to me. Ohh, I was born with this trait that makes me special! :sarcasm:

Should I be proud of all races or not be proud of any? Because I have blood of so many nations that I only call myself Latino because I was born in Latin America. I'll just choose to do something by myself to be able to be proud of a personal achievement.

And Fabby, sorry I am too lazy but... how many "white" countries and how many "black" countries are there?


::EDIT:: InfinityEcho: Even though all crimes are obviously fueled by hate, a murderer murders for personal motives and hopes nobody will catch him/her. With a "hate crime", the only purpose is to TERRORIZE a WHOLE COMMUNITY, and usually does it in a manner that it affects not only the family of the victim, but the whole world too.

I pretty much agree with you, Kah. It's taking pride in something you essentially got by random chance. Like being proud of having blonde hair, or something?

I'm really too lazy to look too (xD) but I can't think of any "black" countries, outside of Jamaica, that aren't in Africa. Whites span across North America, Australia and Europe, though, which is why I assume the heritage was generally broader. We're more... spread out, I suppose.

Well, remember there are black communities in almost every country. And sometimes there are even more blacks than whites, which is the case of South America. Here in Ecuador I see black people everyday, but the only whites would be the tourists in the nicest zones xD Unless you count those who live on The Andes mountains [I count them as native americans instead of white though].

And I think the asians outdid the whites? Or at least I'm pretty sure chinese outdid europeans xD

I was only really counting by the major races of the continent/country. Obviously, we've all spread everywhere. xD

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

::EDIT:: InfinityEcho: Even though all crimes are obviously fueled by hate, a murderer murders for personal motives and hopes nobody will catch him/her. With a "hate crime", the only purpose is to TERRORIZE a WHOLE COMMUNITY, and usually does it in a manner that it affects not only the family of the victim, but the whole world too.

:offtopic:I doubt a(insert race here)person commits a crime against a(insert opposite race here)person with the intent in his mind to terrorize an entire community. He does it because he's a racist and wants to do something to that person because of it. He does it out of hate. A group doing the same thing may be trying to send a message so to speak, but it's their actions that are the crime. Hate isn't a crime, it's the action that is the crime. And ANY crime has the potential to affect the whole world.

The only example I can think of off the top of my head is that it's no worse to beat someone up for being (insert race here) than it is to beat someone up because they wear glasses or are just plain ugly. What makes that race, sexual preference, or religion any more important than someone who wears glasses, or is ugly, or fat, or is wearing pink? They're not.

Originally Posted by Cheya

You're allowed to have pride--it's a just feeling--however, certain people express their pride by putting down others and that's where it can be wrong. The KKK and Stormfront (I've been to their forums and wanted to die moreso than usual) do this a lot.

Also you are wrong here:

It's not to rub it in the faces of people. It's to cast of the shame that heteronormative society has put on them and say "we're not afraid of any of the violent acts committed against us!". Heterosexuals are the majority, the norm and they have so much of the media celebrating their ideals and lifestyle that it shouldn't so bothersome for you to see homosexuals coming out of the shadows.

Are you saying the Black Panthers in the 70's weren't violent racist. Thats the kettle calling the pot black. Racism and bigotry are practiced on all sides. As for expressing it violently, most average people dont respond that way and dont approve of it. You are talking about extremist. Not the average person. If that were so we wouldnt be seeing an abundance of inter-racial marriages. We are becoming more and more integrated. Which I for one am glad to see. One day no one will know the difference because the seperate races will all be intergrated though all the inter-racial marriages. Maybe not in my lifetime but some day.

Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo

:offtopic:I doubt a(insert race here)person commits a crime against a(insert opposite race here)person with the intent in his mind to terrorize an entire community. He does it because he's a racist and wants to do something to that person because of it. He does it out of hate. A group doing the same thing may be trying to send a message so to speak, but it's their actions that are the crime. Hate isn't a crime, it's the action that is the crime. And ANY crime has the potential to affect the whole world.

The only example I can think of off the top of my head is that it's no worse to beat someone up for being (insert race here) than it is to beat someone up because they wear glasses or are just plain ugly. What makes that race, sexual preference, or religion any more important than someone who wears glasses, or is ugly, or fat, or is wearing pink? They're not.

I think spraying "CHINK GO BACK TO YOUR CHINA-HONK" on some asian guy's car IS racist towards the whole race, not towards that one guy. A hate crime is considered a minor-scale terrorist attack because of that. And as I said before, they make that crime not out of personal pasisons or proffiting, they're aiming at inspiring fear in the minds of the ones of certain community. Breaking the asian guy's car windows because he was sleeping with the attacker's girlfriend is a way to make that one guy fear. Breaking the asian guy's car windows because he is asian is obviously a way to show any asian is not welcome in that zone - instilling fear on many other people's minds.

Once again, everyone: please understand "pride" in context.

Pride, in terms of political movements and history, basically means that someone recognizes that they are discriminated against, but is not scared and will not take shit from someone else.

I don't see how that's a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

I think spraying "CHINK GO BACK TO YOUR CHINA-HONK" on some asian guy's car IS racist towards the whole race, not towards that one guy. A hate crime is considered a minor-scale terrorist attack because of that. And as I said before, they make that crime not out of personal pasisons or proffiting, they're aiming at inspiring fear in the minds of the ones of certain community. Breaking the asian guy's car windows because he was sleeping with the attacker's girlfriend is a way to make that one guy fear. Breaking the asian guy's car windows because he is asian is obviously a way to show any asian is not welcome in that zone - instilling fear on many other people's minds.

I understand that it is singling out that person for being Asian in your example. BUT, the crime in your example is no worse than spray painting "GO HOME, YOUR CAR IS UGLY". Doing that will frighten the entire community that happens to have ugly cars (stupid as it sounds, stop and think about it LOL). It may also be targeting poor people as more poor people have old, banged up cars. In that respect, poor people may be afraid to frequent that area because of their ugly car. Therefore, they have been terrorized as you say.

I know, I know, it's a silly example, but it's the easiest one to come to mind at the moment, and it still presses my point. A more sensitive example would be a white woman being raped just because she was the rapists' target that particular night and a black woman being raped because she was black. It doesn't matter WHY a woman is raped-it's a horrendous crime. The rapist in both cases should be equally punished. To punish the rapist of the black woman more severely than the rapist of the white woman would be, to me, like a slap in the face to the white woman-possibly feel like being raped again, only by the justice system. A totally random murder is no different than a murder committed by a KKK member against a black man just because he was black. Someone is still dead because of a senseless idiot.

It's a bad thing when these groups start thinking that certain groups were never discriminated against and use reverse-racism aa a "revenge" more than a healthy pride.

That plus I see what you describe more as an awareness and stating that everyone should be respected than a "pride"...

@Infinitys Echo: Well, tell me, what product are you more inclined to consider, the one that had ads everywhere, or the one that is in the lowest shelf that you never heard of before? There's the point with these crimes. As I said before, they do kill/rape/destroy property of a person, but if it were personal the attacker would do it in a way nobody would notice. Someone who wants to terrorize the entire community would do everything possible to "marketize" the bad deed and spread the message of horror to a whole community, let them know it was a white/black/straight person.

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

@Infinitys Echo: Well, tell me, what product are you more inclined to consider, the one that had ads everywhere, or the one that is in the lowest shelf that you never heard of before? There's the point with these crimes. As I said before, they do kill/rape/destroy property of a person, but if it were personal the attacker would do it in a way nobody would notice. Someone who wants to terrorize the entire community would do everything possible to "marketize" the bad deed and spread the message of horror to a whole community, let them know it was a white/black/straight person.

I lost the connection somewhere between choosing a product and what we're discussing, but I'll bite :) . If it's a new product I've not used before, I actually look at ALL the different brands first, then choose based on price and what better suits my needs. I'm actually less likely to use a big brand name because often times you pay for the brand name when something cheaper will do just as well.

I also don't quite get what you mean by a personal attacker would do it in a way nobody would notice so I can't really comment on that part. Though we both seem to be trying hard to get our points across-and I think we've both done a pretty good job-it seems that it's just something we are not going to agree on. I can accept that. I really do know what you're saying and understand the concept-I just don't agree with it. There may be reasons a crime is committed that I can see affecting the punishment, but race, color, religion, sexual preference, etc. are not among those reasons. Self defense and mental illness are two things I can think of right now that I can see as affecting someone's punishment for committing a crime.

I watched a video of Morgan Freeman on what he thinks about all this separatism that a lot of people are practicing today in America (black-american, hispanic-american) He says he disagrees with all that. Those of us AMERICANS born in America are AMERICANS not black americans not irish americans not hispanic americans not europian americans Just AMERICANS. When we all start thinking like that then we will be united. I totally have a mountain of respect for him standing up and saying this and agree with his view. If you want to see it go to Youtube/morgan freeman. Awesome.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about the Americans, but we do have several songs dedicated to us, yes? And of course there's the fourth of July! We have that one song, I'm Proud to be an Amercian, I believe. And of course during the Olympics every country is represented and when one of them wins you get to hear the national anthem and pride swells inside you, yes? I suppose it's only during those few times when you can say such things. But if someone did say they were proud to be white I probably would shut them down. When I think of the color white, in my mind it immediately jumps to slavery and their oppression of other minorities. So in my thinking, I really don't think they should be proud of that at all. America is also the country known for obese children and adults, it's the fast food nation, which is nothing to be proud of. But I guess there are a few highlights this country is granted, but usually people concentrate on the negative versus the positive when thinking about things like this. So I suppose that there are months and such dedicated to those certain people where we celebrate them because they haven't done anything so negative that it out weighs the positive? That's just a theory of course.

Originally Posted by LunaLov

Hmm, I'm not so sure about the Americans, but we do have several songs dedicated to us, yes? And of course there's the fourth of July! We have that one song, I'm Proud to be an Amercian, I believe. And of course during the Olympics every country is represented and when one of them wins you get to hear the national anthem and pride swells inside you, yes? I suppose it's only during those few times when you can say such things. But if someone did say they were proud to be white I probably would shut them down. When I think of the color white, in my mind it immediately jumps to slavery and their oppression of other minorities. So in my thinking, I really don't think they should be proud of that at all. America is also the country known for obese children and adults, it's the fast food nation, which is nothing to be proud of. But I guess there are a few highlights this country is granted, but usually people concentrate on the negative versus the positive when thinking about things like this. So I suppose that there are months and such dedicated to those certain people where we celebrate them because they haven't done anything so negative that it out weighs the positive? That's just a theory of course.

Yes I suppose thats what you believe. That is why every other country has people leaving and coming here to live. The hispanics are so downtrodden that they risk everything to come here.Black Americans are so outraged they are going back to Africa in droves. Come on get over it. Look at history. At some time or another every race has been enslaved by others.
How can you say other races havent havent done anything so negative. Some African and Asian countries governments still practice genocide. African women are still live in slavery in some countries. Some Asian woman like the Thais and East Indians are bought and sold(slavery) into prostitution. Wake up and smell the stink. It happens all over and is still happening. I am proud to be American. I have seen how the other side has lived. I have traveled other countries. It may not be heaven here but it is certainly better than most. Americans are known to be the most generous people when it comes to assisting in world disasters. What countries donated to us after the floods in New Orleans. You will see Americans in the front lines when an earthquake hits Asia. When a flood hits another country. I am proud and white and proud to be me. I think any race has cause to be proud of what each individual can accomplish. I judge people based on individual merit. Not on race. Obviously there are a lot of people who dont. What a shame. !!!

@wandering echo- I can't say I have the best knowledge of worldwide history, but I'm pretty sure white people have done way more enslaving and oppressing than anyone else. Certainly other races have their pitfalls too, but I can't think of another race who's contributed to as much massive-scale genocide as we have.
We didn't even help OURSELVES properly after New Orleans. I don't know exactly how much helping we do to other countries in comparison to others, but it should be taken into account that America has far more resources than most of the world. It's only sensible that we should help, really.