Originally Posted by Aoekae

Hmm. Breastfeeding enables closer bonding between mother and child. It also passes the mother's natural immunities to her children. In addition to that, as others have said, it is not always possible for a mother to use a breast pump (which, by the way, isn't what a child drinks from, only a tool to extract breast milk) due to pain, inefficiency, or other reasons. So I don't understand how you could possibly say that mother's who are going to breastfeed their children in public are bad mothers. Unless you mean that anyone who doesn't share your view is a bad mother? That's a very intolerant opinion, isn't it?

I am not against breastfeeding. I am against it in public. If the mother cannot afford formula and if she cannot pump, then the least she can do it move to a secluded area then. There are many places that allow mothers who need to breastfeed time in a private area.

And as for saying they are bad mothers who cannot due either was wrong on my part. I apologize. They are just being inconsiderate to think because they have a baby, they can do what they want where they want.

Also, sicknesses can be transmitted through breast milk as well. If the mother can't do the first two and she gets sick. Then what happens?

I am a mother of 5 and i breast fed my 3 older children. i used a pump to make bottles that i would use in public. breast feeding is a choice with many pro' and cons about it being done in public. i myself never did it in public i didn't feel that strangers should see my breats or that small children be subject to this display of a woman's breast. as for the comment that some breast feed because they can't afford formula that is hagwash for every state in the United States has a government program called W.I.C. which gives free formula for the first year of a baby's life. yes breats milk is better thn formula providing the mother is healthy. but note if she has any disease or anemic she will pass this on through the milk

Originally Posted by Patti

but note if she has any disease or anemic she will pass this on through the milk

I already talked about WIC, so I'll just address this.

Anemia isn't contagious and can't be passed through breast milk (also there are no blood cells in milk... or at least I hope not, if that were the case I'd get checked out). Only conditions that would be contagious anyway will be passed through breast milk. Hereditary or genetic conditions will not.

WIC has already been covered. As I believe Keyori demonstrated, it's very easy to not be considered "poor enough" for WIC, yet not be able to afford formula.

And I like the use of the word "subjected". Tell me, what is so horrible about the sight of a woman's breasts that "subjected" is an accurate way of describing children seeing them? When I was a kid, I ran around naked all the time. Children are rarely influenced by society's modesty standards. So, are you implying that there is something inherently bad about female breasts?

HIV infection or HTLV-1: Breastfeeding is not recommended.

Infectious (contagious) tuberculosis: Breastfeeding is safe after the mother has undergone treatment and is no longer contagious.

Hepatitis A: Breastfeeding is safe after the mother receives a dose of gamma globulin.

Hepatitis B: Breastfeeding is safe after the baby receives a dose of Hepatitis B immune globulin (HBIG). The baby should also be started on the first of three doses of Hepatitis B vaccine.

Herpes simplex: Breastfeeding is safe if there are no lesions on the breast.

Chicken pox: Breastfeeding is safe as soon as the mother is noninfectious, meaning all spots are crusted over.

Lyme disease: Breastfeeding is safe as soon as the mother initiates treatment.

Baby Center

First one is obvious xD

"More Breastfeeding Myths
A breastfeeding mother has to be obsessive about what she eats. Not true! A breastfeeding mother should try to eat a balanced diet, but neither needs to eat any special foods nor avoid certain foods. A breastfeeding mother does not need to drink milk in order to make milk. A breastfeeding mother does not need to avoid spicy foods, garlic, cabbage or alcohol. A breastfeeding mother should eat a normal healthful diet. Although there are situations when something the mother eats may affect the baby, this is unusual. Most commonly, "colic", "gassiness" and crying can be improved by changing breastfeeding techniques, rather than changing the mother's diet. (Handout #2 Colic in the Breastfed Baby).
A breastfeeding mother has to eat more in order to make enough milk. Not true! Women on even very low calorie diets usually make enough milk, at least until the mother's calorie intake becomes critically low for a prolonged period of time. Generally, the baby will get what he needs. Some women worry that if they eat poorly for a few days this also will affect their milk. There is no need for concern. Such variations will not affect milk supply or quality. It is commonly said that women need to eat 500 extra calories a day in order to breastfeed. This is not true. Some women do eat more when they breastfeed, but others do not, and some even eat less, without any harm done to the mother or baby or the milk supply. The mother should eat a balanced diet dictated by her appetite. Rules about eating just make breastfeeding unnecessarily complicated.
A breastfeeding mother has to drink lots of fluids. Not true! The mother should drink according to her thirst. Some mothers feel they are thirsty all the time, but many others do not drink more than usual. The mother's body knows if she needs more fluids, and tells her by making her feel thirsty. Do not believe that you have to drink at least a certain number of glasses a day. Rules about drinking just make breastfeeding unnecessarily complicated.
A mother who smokes is better not to breastfeed. Not true! A mother who cannot stop smoking should breastfeed. Breastfeeding has been shown to decrease the negative effects of cigarette smoke on the baby's lungs, for example. Breastfeeding confers great health benefits on both mother and baby. It would be better if the mother not smoke, but if she cannot stop or cut down, then it is better she smoke and breastfeed than smoke and formula feed.
A mother should not drink alcohol while breastfeeding. Not true! Reasonable alcohol intake should not be discouraged at all. As is the case with most drugs, very little alcohol comes out in the milk. The mother can take some alcohol and continue breastfeeding as she normally does. Prohibiting alcohol is another way we make life unnecessarily restrictive for nursing mothers."

I'm not sure about the second source, but the first one seems pretty common sense to me.

The only problems I have with the second source are drinking and smoking (and not about if it actually gets into the milk, it's just that I think new moms shouldn't do that in general, but that's more my opinion than "OMG SIENCE SEZ ITS RONG")

Originally Posted by Double S

HIV infection or HTLV-1: Breastfeeding is not recommended.

Infectious (contagious) tuberculosis: Breastfeeding is safe after the mother has undergone treatment and is no longer contagious.

Hepatitis A: Breastfeeding is safe after the mother receives a dose of gamma globulin.

Hepatitis B: Breastfeeding is safe after the baby receives a dose of Hepatitis B immune globulin (HBIG). The baby should also be started on the first of three doses of Hepatitis B vaccine.

Herpes simplex: Breastfeeding is safe if there are no lesions on the breast.

Hehe. If the mother has AIDS, Herpes, or Hepatitis, breastfeeding her child is very unlikely to be the cause of her child getting it. AIDS passes through the placenta, and so does Hepatitis. As for Tuberculosis, its contagious enough that the child would get it long before they were breast fed if it were in a contagious state. With Herpes, if it were a natural birth they would also catch that. The chances of a child catching those from breastfeeding are slim.

But nonetheless, this debate isn't on whether you should breastfeed your child if you are sick. You shouldn't be having sex at all if you have AIDS, let alone having children which will die a slow death when you could easily adopt. But that is a bit off topic, forgive me.

@ Tsukipon: I don't think any mothers who are breastfeeding think they can do anything they want. I think its more a matter of "My baby is hungry, I am going to feed them so they don't have to go hungry while I search for a place that is more tolerant of the way you are naturally meant to feed your child."

Of course, not necessarily in those words. lol.

Originally Posted by Double S

( so I'm guessing that you're a parent then xD )
Calling them ignorant is just as bad. They may be not see things the same way as you, and I doubt many of them are going to change their minds when they DO have kids, but that doesn't make them ignorant.
Whether you choose you believe me or not, I asked my mother. She said that "those same ignorant children should not have to see that". And that's a mother of five for you.

I've never even heard of this, save for babies that were breastfed first. For those that are allergic to rubber, then it's different. Some babies just refuse certain types of nipples.

She meant formula, but it definitely isn't your fault for misunderstanding.

Also, I just wanted to point out that women don't have to pay for formula. WIC.
Two, breastfeeding can actually be painful as well.

Calling someone in this particular case ignorant is the nicest thing I could have said considering the insult heaved onto breastfeeding moms. As for being ignorant, their opinion doesn't make them ignorant, but if that opinion is based on incorrect information or no information at all, then yes, I'd say they were ignorant until such a time as they have more knowledge or the correct information. Being ignorant is not the same as being stupid.

As for you asking mommy...... I don't agree with your mommy who obviously has a hangup about a child seeing something that's perfectly natural. She says a child shouldn't have to see "that"? Wow, I wonder what all those other mommies who breastfeed do with their other children at home when feeding time comes for the new little brother/sister. I guess, according to your mommy, that mommy would have to "hide" even in her own home so that her other children wouldn't see something like "that".

Yes, the babies eating only from mommy comment was definitely meant for nursing babies. Some nursing babies won't drink from a bottle for various reasons.

My opinion is that WIC shouldn't even enter this conversation. Personally, I don't think formula should be provided through the program unless a doctor gives the woman a MEDICAL excuse as to why she can't breastfeed. Many, many people have different opinions on what they feel their tax money shouldn't be spent on because they disagree with it. Personally, I don't like mine being spent on formula for some woman who simply doesn't want to nurse. Regardless of all the stories you hear, it's actually very rare that a woman PHYSICALLY can't breastfeed or that a baby is allergic to mom's milk. For those rare cases, the doc's medical excuse is acceptable.

I'll agree my last opinion is pretty hard core. Normally, I wouldn't have brought it up, but WIC was brought up. WIC is paid for with "our" tax money. I think it's a great program and am glad it's there for those who need it. Formula IS expensive. Think of all the money that could be saved by simply breastfeeding.

Yes, nursing can be painful, usually is, in the beginning. Until both mom and baby get that latch down and mom's nipples adjust. Once that is accomplished, there are usually no problems. If nipple soreness continues, then the latch is incorrect. Once nursing is established, occasional difficulties may happen, but really, they shouldn't be considered anything more than part of being a mom.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

Well, you may think I am an igorant child, but I am not. Just because I personally have not had a child, doesn't mean anything.

My older sisters both had babies. Double S and I practically helped raised some of them. Now, my sisters are not the most financially stable but they managed to get formula without any problem. Even one of them has a pump!

My comment comes from people I know who have had kids and breastfed. Not from me. There is absolutely no reason for a mother to go out unprepared to feed her child.


Go read my first post. I already said I "look away". But I shouldn't have to - that is what I am arguing about.

And that whole Pot & Kettle routine is getting really annoying and just childish. This is not place for insults. Keep your opinions of me out of this and keep them on the matter I hand. I hold in my judgement of you.

Taking care of someone else's child is NOT being a parent. Getting formula without any problems isn't saying much, especially if they got it from WIC. Buying formula isn't thought of as a problem to a mom-it's just something that is done. That doesn't mean it isn't expensive.

As for a breastfeeding mom not being prepared to feed her child when she goes out, I'd have to say she's the BEST prepared mom out of the bunch on that one. The food and the container are right there with her at all times. No worrying about it not being the right temperature or spoiling, or possibly spilling, or getting misplaced or contaminated, or any number of other things that can happen. Think about this, really think about it-the only problem she will ever run into when it comes to feeding her child is people like you. Now, tell me again who is the unprepared mother?

So you shouldn't have to "look away", the other person should have to "move" for you. I'd say it's easier for you to look away than it is for the mom to have to move. Who's really being more inconsiderate-you, who only has to turn your head or avert your eyes, or a woman who would have to physically get up WITH her baby, locate a spot out of your eyesight, and then move herself and her baby to that spot and hope that another person who's over sensitive doesn't come and sit near them, forcing them to move yet again?

Also, how dare you have the nerve to talk about insults when you heaped a HUGE one onto breastfeeding moms yourself!!!!! Pot meet Kettle might be annoying and childish to you, but it fits you to a "T".

Originally Posted by Double S

This is just my opinion, not directed at Keyori or anyone else for that matter, but if someone isn't making a good income, I don't think they should not have a baby in the first place. Again, that is how I feel, so I really don't care for an arguement on it. C:

It may be true that if you can't provide for the child that you shouldn't have it, but once the baby is here, that point is null and void. As to not being able to afford formula, well, it's only a necessary expense if you choose NOT to breastfeed. Nursing moms don't have to worry about that.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

I also have stated that everyone is offended by something so there is no way to be truly considerate.

I am not being inconsiderate to these women technically speaking. I don't go up to them wherever they are and telling them that they are wrong. I am only discussing what I feel about the act of breastfeeding.

It doesn't matter if I am or am not being rude to the women we are discussing. You do not have a right to judge me or anyone else. You can talk about my opinions but not about me because you do not know me. You can say my opinions are wrong.

I didn't say you were flaming me for my "inconsistencies". I only stated that your "pot & kettle" routine was childish. I was never rude to you.

Just pointing out where I was wrong would suffice. I don't take offense to someone corrected me in a nice way. If I was wrong, I am sorry and I will fix it. I don't need to be insulted and practically attacked. Thank you.

Now back on topic, I have to sit through the act of a women breastfeeding though it disgusts me? Because of some baby? But if I were to ask her to go someplace secluded bacause I have a child that does not need to see this, it is wrong? It cannot be both ways.

My main arguement is that there are places for breastfeeding and in public is not one of them.

The only thing I want to say in response to your whole little tirade here is that if you didn't want to be attacked, then you shouldn't have attacked breastfeeding moms by calling them "not very good mothers". You know, some of us might be/have been breastfeeding moms, and that could be considered a personal attack to us. Two wrongs don't make a right, however, expect to get back what you dish out.

You don't have to sit through anything-you can move. If you don't want your child to see things that you may find offensive, then maybe you should keep yourself and your child at home. Basically, that's what your telling the breastfeeding mom to do, so the same can be said to you.

Originally Posted by Double S

I do not speak for Goldenlici, but this is my take on the matter: If the back of the bus is less crowded than the front, she should move back there to breastfeed. C: I really just don't want it in a crowded place.


That, and her sicknesses. My sister's baby got Jaundice from her breastmilk ):

OMG!!!!! You just sent breastfeeding moms to the back of the bus! Wow! I wonder what Rosa Parks would say to that! You have now made nursing moms second class citizens. Thankfully, in the US, "we" are protected against your prejudice.

I honestly laughed out loud when I read your "back of bus" comment. Thank you for the laugh today, even though it pisses me off, it WAS a good laugh-the "I can't believe it" kind, but a good laugh none the less.

Baby's don't get jaundice from breastmilk. I have a feeling I know what you're talking about though, which has to do with many doctors that will ask that nursing moms of newborns with jaundice to supplement with water and/or formula until the jaundice has cleared. The truth on THAT is that if the mom is nursing frequently and the baby is getting enough, it isn't necessary. It may be helpful, but not necessary.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

I am not against breastfeeding. I am against it in public. If the mother cannot afford formula and if she cannot pump, then the least she can do it move to a secluded area then. There are many places that allow mothers who need to breastfeed time in a private area.

And as for saying they are bad mothers who cannot due either was wrong on my part. I apologize. They are just being inconsiderate to think because they have a baby, they can do what they want where they want.

Also, sicknesses can be transmitted through breast milk as well. If the mother can't do the first two and she gets sick. Then what happens?

So nursing moms should keep themselves hidden because you are nosy?

As for your half assed apology, keep it. You merely traded one insult for another, though inconsiderate is a step up from being a bad mother I guess. You're insulted and upset because you feel you've been attacked by a few of us, yet you fail to see how YOU are making us feel attacked.

Now....I'm going to calm myself as I THINK I'm seeing some of the problem. No insult intended here, but you really DO seem uneducated on this subject. I don't know that it would change your opinion on PUBLIC breastfeeding, but I think that isn't your only issue. I don't think you think too highly of the practice regardless of private or public, though you may recite all of the correct lines. I'll only address your illness question above for now. Yes, the mom can pass on illnesses to the baby, but at the same time she is passing on those illnesses, she is also passing on antibodies against the illness as well. Plus the fact that with most illnesses, the baby is exposed to it simply by being close to mom in the first place. The baby is probably not going to get as sick and is building up a good, healthy immune system at the same time thanks to nursing. Someone else cited some of the things I think you may have been talking about, the more serious ones you may have been thinking of. As they noted, often times, in those cases, if the baby is going to get it from nursing, he will probably have already been exposed during either pregnancy or the birth process.

Breastfeeding affords so many good things for the baby. You seem very young. Why don't you do some real research on it? You may be surprised. Again, it may not change your opinion of public nursing, but I think it will sway you to be more open minded and accepting of it if you really knew just how good it is. There is NO substitute for it. Formula is acceptable, but it really doesn't come as close as you think it does.

Originally Posted by Patti

I am a mother of 5 and i breast fed my 3 older children. i used a pump to make bottles that i would use in public. breast feeding is a choice with many pro' and cons about it being done in public. i myself never did it in public i didn't feel that strangers should see my breats or that small children be subject to this display of a woman's breast. as for the comment that some breast feed because they can't afford formula that is hagwash for every state in the United States has a government program called W.I.C. which gives free formula for the first year of a baby's life. yes breats milk is better thn formula providing the mother is healthy. but note if she has any disease or anemic she will pass this on through the milk

Hogwash? I think it's hogwash that you're thinking of WIC as an entitlement. It should be thought of as welfare.
Illnesses passed to baby have been covered. Anemia is NOT passed to babies through breastmilk.

Originally Posted by Aoekae

You shouldn't be having sex at all if you have AIDS, let alone having children which will die a slow death when you could easily adopt.

Knowing a mother of two who contracted AIDS before marrying, and has not passed AIDS on to her husband or either of her children, I don't appreciate your blanket statement.

i've noticed a few of you mentioning that a mother should pump before she goes out. As a mother that breastfed, I can tell you that that is not always an easy solution. You only make so much milk at a time. So unless it's been 4 hours since your baby last ate, you aren't going to have enough milk to comfort their hungry while you're out, and chances are if it has been 4 hours, it's time to feed them which will deplete your 'storage' Breast feeding mothers do not have an infinite supply of milk. And pumping DOES hurt more. I did it before I went to class after my daughter was born and it would sometimes make me cry from the pain. Why should I put myself through that more than necessary?
Pumping is NOT always an option. If I am going out for the day with my baby, I won't be able to pump enough before going out to take care of my babies needs through out the day, and ya know, after a while, much like a cow that needs to be milked, your boobs start hurting if they can't express the milk.
Blankets are not always nice to cover a baby with anyway, would you want to be covered in a blanket when it's hot outside? I would drape a burp cloth over my breast and the babies head for shade and privacy reasons. I don't want my breasts flashed around for the world to see, but at the same time, there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to comfortably feed my baby when my baby is hungry.

Formula- OMG yuck. Have you tried that stuff? it's bitter, powdery and disgusting. My babies wouldn't touch it until I forced it on them. Have you tried breastmilk? It's sweet, much sweeter than cows milk. Babies will readily drink/suckle because it's sweet. I'd rather give my babies what I know they will like, what will fill them up, what will give them the best immunity boost and the best source of the nutrients they need. Forumla is getting closer, but its not as good as breast milk.

(WIC: any family with children under 5 that meet the income requirements can qualify. You get vouchers for certain items and that's all they can be used on. It has helped my family out quite a bit, with free eggs, milk and cereal, I see nothing wrong with WIC being brought up in this argument, if the reason women are breastfeeding in public is they can't afford bottles of formula)

Yes, I could have given my children formula, but why should I? I want what is best for my children. That is breastmilk. If I am out all day, I wouldn't be able to pump for it before hand, so the only reasonable solution is to breastfeed. If you're not comfortable with it, look away. I've gotten rude looks, but more than that I get people telling me that I'm doing the right thing, that they did that too, or questions from expecting parents. The continued health of my children is more important to me than any rude looks you could throw my way. You're just not that important when it comes to a mother feeding her child in a natural way.

All I have to say is this:

Has any of you ladies ever felt like your boob was going to explode from over production of milk for the fact that maybe you have been out in public longer then anticipated with a crying hungry baby and no where to nurse the poor thing. I'm not talking about the baby either. When you do not empty that milk sack out in a timely manner it is painful...PAINFUL...like stuffing a watermelon in a tiny sock of a boob.

you can't pump in public, a lot of bathrooms are nasty and do not have "couches". You always have a blanket with you, if you don't then well you are ill-prepared for baby.

No one will truly know what a nursing mother will go through until they are one. People who judge breastfeeding mothers out in public usually do not have children, don't breast feed themselves, or just like to complain about something. :angry:

I curse anyone who argues to not breast feed in public to a horrible swollen milk filled breast with no baby to empty it. lol

I was a breast feeding mother til I became sick and also couldn't produce enough in the first place. Anyone here who knows what I am going through can say that I had to make a tough decision. I first started out with supplementing cause he wasn't getting enough but then my milk became more and more less frequent and I eventually I had to give up. I'm only an airman in the navy and income can be hardcore low sometimes but I know that my baby boy will healthy even if I cant breastfeed.

But nonetheless, this debate isn't on whether you should breastfeed your child if you are sick. You shouldn't be having sex at all if you have AIDS, let alone having children which will die a slow death when you could easily adopt. But that is a bit off topic, forgive me.

You don't 'fuck' and then realize you contracted it. Just saying that it can take up to 6 months before finding out you have even contracted HIV. Can be even longer, without a test, to know you even have it. Have you ever gone in for an STD test before? I mean a 'blanket' STD test? They are no fun and are more then not welcoming when you do go get one. At least I found it very unpleasant.

Herpes simplex: Breastfeeding is safe if there are no lesions on the breast.

And which variation of herpes are you talking about? I have seen an image on a slide show of herpes symptoms in that area. >,>; Not completely sure how it happened but something with it being on the mouth and scratching the area can move them.

@Infinitys Echo

I am not against breastfeeding. I am against doing it in public.
If the mother is out fine, she will probably have to breastfeed.
However a park bench, restaurant, or train/bus is not the place for it.
There is no excuse for a mother to breastfeed in the public eye.
She can go to a bathroom, and most womens' rooms are furnished nicely,
or she can even ask a store clerk to use a private room.
I have not seen a clerk say no to a mother with that need.

As for doing "research" - there is no research I need to do.
It is simple. There are so many alternatives to just pulling down your shirt in public. Don't use the needs of the child as an excuse. The baby is not going to die if you take sometime to move.

Also, I never stated that taking care of a child and raising my own is the same thing. I wouldn't know about how it feels to breastfeed. I don't know if it is painful or not. But I don't care. That is not the point.

Yes, the moms should keep hidden as breastfeeding is a private matter - natural or not.

People have talked about animals breastfeeding but we are not animals. Animals don't have the capacity for privacy or consideration. There are a lot of natural matters that are private as well, such as sex and urinating. I'm not going to have sex in public because it is natural.

Originally Posted by Kris

Yes, but when you have a mother who cannot afford formula and cannot pump, what good will it do to tell her she shouldn't have had a child? The child is there, it needs to be fed, and you will get upset with her if she feeds her child.

She didn't have to get pregnant in the first place.

Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo

Calling someone in this particular case ignorant is the nicest thing I could have said considering the insult heaved onto breastfeeding moms. As for being ignorant, their opinion doesn't make them ignorant, but if that opinion is based on incorrect information or no information at all, then yes, I'd say they were ignorant until such a time as they have more knowledge or the correct information. Being ignorant is not the same as being stupid.

Calling someone ignorant is just like calling a mom "a bad mom". So either way, it's just mean. It didn't have to be said. And if you're going to say that niether did Tsukipon's comment, then let me just say: be the better person. OMG yeah I said it. You said that you thought she seemed "very young" so you should have been old enough to just ignore something so "ignorant" because it was ignorant. Not lower yourself to her level and proceed with name-calling.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

If a mother isn't prepared going out for her child to eat via formula or milk pumped from the mother into a bottle, she isn't really that much of a good mother. I don't have anything against breastfeeding. I am against breatfeeding in public.

This isn't a statement saying that "ALL BREASTFEEDING MOMS ARE CRAPPY PARENTS." It says that if a woman isn't ready to go out of her way for a child, she shouldn't have a baby. That's the truth. If your baby is crying at night, you're not just going to ignore it because you don't want to move. You're going to get up and make sure he/she goes back to sleep.

Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo

As for you asking mommy...... I don't agree with your mommy who obviously has a hangup about a child seeing something that's perfectly natural. She says a child shouldn't have to see "that"? Wow, I wonder what all those other mommies who breastfeed do with their other children at home when feeding time comes for the new little brother/sister. I guess, according to your mommy, that mommy would have to "hide" even in her own home so that her other children wouldn't see something like "that".

Once again, saying something is natural doesn't make it right. You don't let your kid see a guy urinating in a street because it's natural. And yes, my mom did breastfeed at home. And she didn't like the other kids to see. She did it in her bedroom while the others were in the other parts of the house.

Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo

Personally, I don't think formula should be provided through the program unless a doctor gives the woman a MEDICAL excuse as to why she can't breastfeed. Many, many people have different opinions on what they feel their tax money shouldn't be spent on because they disagree with it. Personally, I don't like mine being spent on formula for some woman who simply doesn't want to nurse.

So moms that don't breastfeed are bad? Aren't you just being hypocritical?

[quote=Infinitys Echo;1765283005]Also, how dare you have the nerve to talk about insults when you heaped a HUGE one onto breastfeeding moms yourself!!!!! Pot meet Kettle might be annoying and childish to you, but it fits you to a "T".
Seriously, just stop.

Originally Posted by Cherry Flavored Antacid

This is getting a little heated, so guys, please remember to keep your posts respectful. Even if someone is rude to you (or expresses an opinion that you find to be idiotic or uneducated), that does not mean you need to be rude in kind. If necessary, walk away from the computer or do something else for a bit before you respond so you have time to cool down. We wouldn't a debate to devolve into downright flaming. :)

It may be true that if you can't provide for the child that you shouldn't have it, but once the baby is here, that point is null and void. As to not being able to afford formula, well, it's only a necessary expense if you choose NOT to breastfeed. Nursing moms don't have to worry about that.

Once the baby is here? She didn't have to have it in the first place! Abortion is wrong? Again, she didn't have to get pregnant.

OMG!!!!! You just sent breastfeeding moms to the back of the bus! Wow! I wonder what Rosa Parks would say to that! You have now made nursing moms second class citizens. Thankfully, in the US, "we" are protected against your prejudice.

I honestly laughed out loud when I read your "back of bus" comment. Thank you for the laugh today, even though it pisses me off, it WAS a good laugh-the "I can't believe it" kind, but a good laugh none the less.

Oh, heehee, Rosa Parks. Well, I don't really care what Rosa Parks would have to say.
But, you said that if we didn't want to see the mom breastfeeding, we'd have to move too. Same situation. I didn't say they had to move to the back of the bus, I was just making an example. Excuse me for making breastfeeding moms second class citizens.

[color="Red"]Baby's don't get jaundice from breastmilk.COLOR]

It was confirmed by a doctor, and once she stopped breastfeeding, the condition went away.

So nursing moms should keep themselves hidden because you are nosy?

I'm a pretty nosy person, so what if I stare? If the mom told me to move because she is uncomfortable with me staring, isn't she just as bad as someone telling her to move?

Originally Posted by Double S

She didn't have to get pregnant in the first place.

How does that solve any problems whatsoever?
Does that help anyone?

No, it just makes you sound like an apathetic person. It's like looking at a child who is hungry and saying "Well, they shouldn't have been born if they can't get food!". It. Does. Nothing.

Originally Posted by Kris

How does that solve any problems whatsoever?
Does that help anyone?

No, it just makes you sound like an apathetic person. It's like looking at a child who is hungry and saying "Well, they shouldn't have been born if they can't get food!". It. Does. Nothing.

It has nothing to do with the child. It's the parents fault. If they're complaining about not being about to feed their kids, then yes, they should not have had them. If they didn't have the kid, they wouldn't be in the predicament.
They didn't need to have a baby.

If you can't afford formula, what else can you not afford?

Originally Posted by Double S

I'm a pretty nosy person, so what if I stare? If the mom told me to move because she is uncomfortable with me staring, isn't she just as bad as someone telling her to move?

lol....

if you where staring at me I would flash you....cause it is just that funny. XD I once had a woman come up to me while I was nursing in the "mother's room" at a religious convention and she literally moved the blanket to see me nurse...saying "it was a beautiful thing" ...yea beautifully creepy! Its one thing to stare, another to actually touch. O_O

Originally Posted by MelfinaRoseyn

I was a breast feeding mother til I became sick and also couldn't produce enough in the first place. Anyone here who knows what I am going through can say that I had to make a tough decision. I first started out with supplementing cause he wasn't getting enough but then my milk became more and more less frequent and I eventually I had to give up. I'm only an airman in the navy and income can be hardcore low sometimes but I know that my baby boy will healthy even if I cant breastfeed.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. It sucks (no pun intended :)) when you try and it doesn't seem to work. It's very rare to not be able to produce enough milk. A good way to tell is if baby has approx. 6-8 wet diapers a day. Sadly, the supplementing didn't help as far as building your milk supply. Supplementing in the beginning is really a "bad" thing to do. The best thing to do is to feed baby as often as possible-this is what triggers your body to make more milk. If your baby doesn't nurse often, then your body is basically being told that it doesn't need to make more milk, and therefore, won't make more, but will make less. During a period where baby needs more, it may take a day or so for the body to catch up to baby, but baby won't suffer from this as he'll just nurse a LOT more often and your body will catch up.

Don't worry, your baby will be just fine. Breastmilk IS best and has SO many advantages, but your baby will thrive and be healthy and smart with formula as well. You've done nothing wrong and have no need to feel guilty or bad.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

@Infinitys Echo

I am not against breastfeeding. I am against doing it in public.
If the mother is out fine, she will probably have to breastfeed.
However a park bench, restaurant, or train/bus is not the place for it.
There is no excuse for a mother to breastfeed in the public eye.
She can go to a bathroom, and most womens' rooms are furnished nicely,
or she can even ask a store clerk to use a private room.
I have not seen a clerk say no to a mother with that need.

As for doing "research" - there is no research I need to do.
It is simple. There are so many alternatives to just pulling down your shirt in public. Don't use the needs of the child as an excuse. The baby is not going to die if you take sometime to move.

Also, I never stated that taking care of a child and raising my own is the same thing. I wouldn't know about how it feels to breastfeed. I don't know if it is painful or not. But I don't care. That is not the point.

Yes, the moms should keep hidden as breastfeeding is a private matter - natural or not.

People have talked about animals breastfeeding but we are not animals. Animals don't have the capacity for privacy or consideration. There are a lot of natural matters that are private as well, such as sex and urinating. I'm not going to have sex in public because it is natural.

It's your opinion that being in the public eye isn't acceptable. It doesn't mean your right. But that's what we're here for-to debate the subject. As for the bathroom-that's a disgusting choice, and one that you might well remember is going to really piss nursing moms off. "We" have given reasons why a bathroom is NOT acceptable. Now it's up to you to refute those reasons with your own. Or have you not read them? I don't know what women's rooms you go to, but most of the one's I've been to in all my years weren't acceptable nor were they furnished with anything other than stalls with toilets. Only in very nice places do I find it to be anywhere near acceptable, and even then, I still wouldn't do it.

So how many nursing moms have you ever really seen ask a clerk in the first place? I've NEVER seen anyone ask for a place to nurse anywhere that I've been. I don't get out a lot anymore, but I certainly used to up until about 3 years ago. So where are you that you see so many moms asking for a place to nurse? I don't think it's so common that you could say you seen more than a few, if that many. Me, I don't think I've even seen another nursing mom out in public. I'm sure they were there, I just didn't notice them. I pretty much mind my own business when I'm out and about. I glance at others and go about my business.

As for the research, my point with that wasn't to change anyone's mind about public nursing, but to possibly learn more about breastfeeding in general and all the advantages breastfeeding and breast milk have to offer. I think I even specifically stated that it may not change your mind about public nursing. That was not my intent. If you say you don't care, then you are basically saying that you don't care to learn about what's best for your baby or the advantages you may be giving your baby. Learn, then decide for yourself.

Also, I haven't used the baby as an excuse for anything. While there are some points of the argument for the baby itself, MY arguments are mostly about the inconveniences to the mom, though it shouldn't be forgotten that the problems affect both mom and baby.

Originally Posted by Double S

She didn't have to get pregnant in the first place.


Calling someone ignorant is just like calling a mom "a bad mom". So either way, it's just mean. It didn't have to be said. And if you're going to say that niether did Tsukipon's comment, then let me just say: be the better person. OMG yeah I said it. You said that you thought she seemed "very young" so you should have been old enough to just ignore something so "ignorant" because it was ignorant. Not lower yourself to her level and proceed with name-calling.


This isn't a statement saying that "ALL BREASTFEEDING MOMS ARE CRAPPY PARENTS." It says that if a woman isn't ready to go out of her way for a child, she shouldn't have a baby. That's the truth. If your baby is crying at night, you're not just going to ignore it because you don't want to move. You're going to get up and make sure he/she goes back to sleep.


Once again, saying something is natural doesn't make it right. You don't let your kid see a guy urinating in a street because it's natural. And yes, my mom did breastfeed at home. And she didn't like the other kids to see. She did it in her bedroom while the others were in the other parts of the house.


So moms that don't breastfeed are bad? Aren't you just being hypocritical?

Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo

Also, how dare you have the nerve to talk about insults when you heaped a HUGE one onto breastfeeding moms yourself!!!!! Pot meet Kettle might be annoying and childish to you, but it fits you to a "T".
Seriously, just stop.


It may be true that if you can't provide for the child that you shouldn't have it, but once the baby is here, that point is null and void. As to not being able to afford formula, well, it's only a necessary expense if you choose NOT to breastfeed. Nursing moms don't have to worry about that.
Once the baby is here? She didn't have to have it in the first place! Abortion is wrong? Again, she didn't have to get pregnant.

OMG!!!!! You just sent breastfeeding moms to the back of the bus! Wow! I wonder what Rosa Parks would say to that! You have now made nursing moms second class citizens. Thankfully, in the US, "we" are protected against your prejudice.

I honestly laughed out loud when I read your "back of bus" comment. Thank you for the laugh today, even though it pisses me off, it WAS a good laugh-the "I can't believe it" kind, but a good laugh none the less.
Oh, heehee, Rosa Parks. Well, I don't really care what Rosa Parks would have to say.
But, you said that if we didn't want to see the mom breastfeeding, we'd have to move too. Same situation. I didn't say they had to move to the back of the bus, I was just making an example. Excuse me for making breastfeeding moms second class citizens.

[COLOR="Red"]Baby's don't get jaundice from breastmilk.COLOR]
It was confirmed by a doctor, and once she stopped breastfeeding, the condition went away.

So nursing moms should keep themselves hidden because you are nosy?
I'm a pretty nosy person, so what if I stare? If the mom told me to move because she is uncomfortable with me staring, isn't she just as bad as someone telling her to move?

I'm not good at breaking up quotes and responses once it gets to this point, so I'll respond to each point as it appears. Or I'll try :).

Whether or not someone should have gotten pregnant in the first place makes no difference really. That's a whole other debate-a good one at that.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not the same as being stupid or what have you. We are ALL ignorant of many things. I'm ignorant about cars, art, fishing, the inner workings of electronic devices, etc., etc., etc. No, it isn't mean either-at least, that's not how I meant it. As for being the bigger, better person, I tried that in the beginning on this site. It didn't get me far, so now I defend myself when I feel the need.

You didn't take her statement the way I did. That's your choice. I took it as a slam on breastfeeding moms, and I still do. I'm not changing my mind and you're not either, so best to agree to disagree on this one. You're also forgetting the fact that her statement was incorrect. A breastfeeding mom doesn't need a bottle of formula nor a bottle filled with breastmilk. She is ALREADY prepared, more so than a formula feeding mom, as her supplies are with her at all times. She's going out of her way, physically and mentally, just as much as a formula feeding mom in her own ways.

If your mom was so hung up that she hid in her own house, that's her problem. I'm not hiding in my own house. Your mom is only teaching her children that it's "bad" in some way. I prefer to teach my children there's nothing wrong with it. Because of my attitude about it, MY children haven't/won't grow up to be so intolerant on the subject. Nor will they stare or think bad thoughts about it. Maybe your mom's attitude is why you feel the way you do. Had she not been the way she was about it, maybe you wouldn't be either. Why would you not want to teach your children to be more tolerant of others? I'm sure you want them to be tolerant of gays and other races and things of that nature, so why wouldn't you want to teach them to be tolerant of a mom nursing her baby discreetly out in public? We think nothing of girls running around in halters and tops that show almost everything they have-at least nursing moms have a good reason for their cleavage to be showing some.

I NEVER said anything nor implied in any way that if you don't breastfeed, you're a bad mom. This was about WIC. I hate having to state it again since this is already outrageously long, but here goes: I don't like tax dollars paying for formula for some woman because she simply doesn't WANT to nurse. How does that in any way say she is a bad mom? If she wants to feed her baby formula, fine, she can PAY FOR IT HERSELF. There's a perfectly good, free alternative to formula, she can use that. Now, I might change my mind on that one IF WIC paid for professional grade pumps and all pumping and storage supplies for nursing moms. Then it would be fairly even to both. I have no where said she's a bad mom for wanting to feed her baby formula. I don't want to have to PAY for it for her is all.

Don't go quoting the mod to try to send me some sort of message. Another mod responded after my post and she didn't say anything about it, so it must have been acceptable. Not to mention, I saw what the mod said, and still chose to respond, which means that either I didn't feel my post to be bad or I was willing to take whatever punishment may come my way. Also, her post was meant for ALL of us who are now getting heated, of which YOU are one of us, as you're getting quite feisty yourself. So while you're pointing a finger, remember, you have three pointing back at yourself while doing so.

If something that is legal and being done disgusts you that much, yes, move. Most cases, you'd probably just have to turn your head back to the front where it should have been in the first place instead of turned to look/stare at someone else. You're example was to move to the back of the bus. How is that different from saying "move to the back of the bus"? They sound the same to me.

Ok, I apologize. I mistook what you said and misunderstood how you meant it. So you are talking about breast milk jaundice-or possible breatfeeding jaundice? Not jaundice as in it's passed on from the mom. Ok-cool, I can address both of those if you like. However, it's not necessary to stop breastfeeding due to either of those, although I don't doubt that a doc would tell a mom to stop. I have come across more than one doc who isn't up to par when it comes to the facts on breastfeeding. Now that's not just me being uppity, it's true. However, it's been 12 years since I've had a really little one, so maybe they have gotten better now. I know for a fact that I was asked to supplement because of jaundice specifically with my 3rd, and I believe that's what led to the downfall of that child nursing. That whole "nipple confusion" and "bottle is easier" is what came out of that for that particular child. I fought for about 6 months after that to nurse, to no avail, trying every trick in the book and causing myself untold pain, both physical and mental. I had a doc tell me with my 4th that I was starving him. Yeah, right, that's why he was gaining weight and had no issues in that area and his regular doc had no problems with is weight and laughed when I told him what was said and reassured me all was well. I had also been asked to supplement him as well in the beginning due to jaundice. This was all well before the internet, and information wasn't easily gotten and researched. See, I've had one "normal" baby with "regular" jaundice and 2 that suffered jaundice from rH incompatibility. My first was the only one not to have it for any reason. Let me say, this doesn't make me any kind of expert or anything, but it DID make me do a LOT of research and learn a LOT about jaundice-mostly jaundice due to rH incompatiblility.

This isn't a battle between nursing moms and non-nursing moms. Neither should be put down or hindered in their decisions. If given all the information as to the benefits and advantages of breastfeeding, a mom chooses not to nurse, that's her choice. While I personally can't understand a mom not at least wanting to try, it's her decision. She's just as good a mom and is doing what she feels is right for her. The only bad thing I have to say about bottle feeding moms is about the ones who prop the bottle. Now THAT I can't stand and it can be done by both because breast milk can be put in a bottle. Nursing isn't easy for most I'd say, and I can see quite a few situations where it would be quite hard for a mom to do it. Bless them all, they do their best-well, most of them-we all know there are those who don't give a damn.

If you're nosy, then that's just rude. Yes, a mom telling you to move if you're staring is just as bad as you asking her to move. I just happen to think she's got a more valid reason. You're staring, which is rude. She's just feeding her kid, you could look away. Which brings me to the real question-why is it so hard for you to simply look away?

@Infinitys Echo:
( because it's wayyy to long to quote-- I'll go in order. It'll be easy to tell what I'm replying too I hope xD )

Ignorant =/= stupid. This I know. I wasn't saying that you called her stupid.

I wasn't even talking about the bottle business anymore, but ok.

My mom stopped breastfeeding before I was born, so I wouldn't know either way.

We think nothing of girls running around in halters and tops that show almost everything they have-at least nursing moms have a good reason for their cleavage to be showing some.

A good reason to show cleavage? I don't think there is one.
"We"? I happen to find girls in skimpy clothing quite disgusting

"Some woman" sounded pretty mean to me.

I quoted the mod because I thought it was important. The fact that you chose to ignore it is funny, actually. And, how am I getting feisty? I really don't get heated over the little things said over the internet. /:

There are cons of breastfeeding, you know. It isn't sacred.

I'm not being rude. Maybe I want to see the "beauty" of this "natural" process. I'm just learning. I'm not drooling or breathing down her shirt.
The same reason why it's hard for her to simply move. On a crowded bus, there is no "looking away". Away at what? Another person?

Most cases, you'd probably just have to turn your head back to the front where it should have been in the first place instead of turned to look/stare at someone else. You're example was to move to the back of the bus. How is that different from saying "move to the back of the bus"? They sound the same to me.

Bus seats aren't arranged in such a way where I can simply look forward.

And I wouldn't have said "back of the bus" if I'd known you would have made this a prejudice debate, or bring in Rosa Parks. It is usually the emptiest part of the bus, not the place for second-class citizens to sit.

Originally Posted by Kris

How does that solve any problems whatsoever?
Does that help anyone?

No, it just makes you sound like an apathetic person. It's like looking at a child who is hungry and saying "Well, they shouldn't have been born if they can't get food!". It. Does. Nothing.

Double S, if you would reply to my post, I would really appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Double S

It has nothing to do with the child. It's the parents fault. If they're complaining about not being about to feed their kids, then yes, they should not have had them. If they didn't have the kid, they wouldn't be in the predicament.
They didn't need to have a baby.

If you can't afford formula, what else can you not afford?

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@Double S: I know what you mean about the quoting at this point. It's just too much anymore-though you're better at cutting it down on your response. Me, well, I'm just longwinded no matter how much I try to shorten it :)!

Ok, it's seems we're good on the ignorant v stupid thing now. I was addressing a lack of knowledge, especially considering that I felt she was very young. I did very good, actually, in NOT allowing myself to say quite a few things I really wanted to, considering what I was responding to and how I felt about it.

Ok, so you weren't influenced by her moving into another room to not be seen. But you did mention other children. If they were her own, she had no reason to leave the room. Even if they weren't, she was in her own home and shouldn't have to leave the room in her own house.

Yes, there are some acceptable reasons to show cleavage-how much is the question there. Or maybe our definitions of cleavage vary widely. To me, if you can see the line between a woman's breast, that's cleavage. So unless you're wearing a t-shirt or dress that's pretty well up to your neck, and/or have very little breasts, you're going to show cleavage.

"Some woman" isn't mean. It's what she is-a random woman that I don't know. I'm not using any adjectives to describe said woman, whether it be "nice young lady" or "trashy looking tramp". It sounds pretty neutral to me.

I didn't ignore the mod. As I stated, since I saw her post, I obviously felt one of two ways, or maybe a little of both. I feel that if she was only talking to me, she would have shot me a PM or even given me an infraction. As she didn't, I feel she was directing it to those of us actively posting at the time. As for you getting feisty, really, just go back and read your posts. You have your share of remarks that don't sound so sweet yourself-that is, if you're honest with yourself.

"seriously, just stop", "omg" yeah I said it", "oh heehee, Rosa Parks", "Well, I don't care what Rosa Parks would have to say".

are a few of the things which I consider "feisty", though if read exactly as I typed them, would be taken out of context. Read them in the post and think about it.

Yes, there certainly are cons to breastfeeding. Sore nipples, swollen, painful breasts at times, leaking breasts, and the worst, crappy attitudes from those who don't like what you're doing, especially in public. It's certainly not easy, that's for sure. It's not sacred either. Far from it.

Staring is rude. You know it is. Don't make excuses for it, especially considering your attitude towards nursing in public, you know you're not trying to "see the beauty of it" or learn anything. It IS harder for her to move than for you. She's having to move herself, her belongings, AND her baby, you have to move only yourself and your belongings. Come on, now, you KNOW it's a little harder for her to physically move than it is for you. Common courtesy could come into play there as well. As for looking away, well look at whatever else you would look at while riding the bus. Why does it have to be specifically her, ESPECIALLY if it disgusts you so much. If it did, I honestly can't imagine why you wouldn't do anything you could to find something else to look at. Do you usually stare at things that disgust you? I know I don't. As for seating on public transportation, forgive my ignorance on that one. I've only ridden public buses twice in my life. I can imagine if it was common for me, I would probably have something with me to occupy my time during the ride-that's just me. I take a book with me when I go to the doc's office just to keep occupied while I waiting. I'm that kind of person.

As to making it a prejudice debate-it kind of is when you think about it. You just happened to pick an analogy that brought it to the forefront loud and clear. You could have used an example of being at a sporting event or something else. You picked the back of a bus, which is quite easy to equate with second class citizens and prejudice, especially for those who don't ride public transportation, which is a LOT of people.

Whew :)! I'm glad this is winding down. Though I'm not what is called a "breastfeeding nazi" in groups that debate this frequently (I used to be in on those debates, and those ladies could be vicious!), I AM very passionate about breastfeeding.

Well, firstly, let me state that I have no problem with you being passionate about breastfeeding! I have no problem with you as a person. This is a debate, and this is what we do, right? :)

I personally don't feel that anyone has an excuse for showing cleavage.

The tone didn't sound neutral to me, but I guess that's how it goes.

I never said that she was just addressing you. She was talking to everyone.

"Seriously, just stop it" was not being feisty. I was telling you to stop because it was getting out of hand.
"omg yeah I said it" was more of a "I can't believe I actually said it because it's so cliche.
"oh heehee Rosa Parks" I suppose was a little feisty, but you were the one who brought her up as if she was really significant to what I was saying. You took my post out of context, and I'm pretty sure no one else thought I was bringing up segregation.
"Well... have to say" Depends on the person, I guess. MAybe because it's disrespectful? But, I don't really respect Rosa Parks that much because she decided not to move. But that is another thing entirely. But once again, it was due to the fact that you made my statement into a segregation example. Either way, I was just stating my opinion. You said "i wonder what Rosa Parks would have to say" and well, I really don't care because this isn't about making breastfeeding women second-class citizens.
Seriously, when you make a comment like yours about me, it is going to bother me because I'd expect that you only did it to make me angry, and that you know it wasn't like that.

That comment was directed at everyone, not just you C: Because I think that if you have to bring up the pros of breastfeeding, you should bring up the cons~. But you did, so that's coolbeans :D

Actually, I don't find staring wrong. It's pretty natural to me, because having to ride the train every morning with people staring at each other grows on you /: And maybe I like seeing a bit of cleavage. Either way, it's my opinion. And to me, having to see a woman breastfeeding in public is a little rude too. But I won't even argue about that subject, as it will just lead back to previous arguements (that I can't say I care for anymore)...
( and off topic, or rather, I'm making this off topic-- I do enjoy staring at disgusting things... don't even ask x__x )


Like I said before, I don't find "back of the bus" an automatic second-class citizen term, or analogy, or whatever. It was a simple example. It meant nothing more than the back of the bus-- a place in the rear of the bus. It's so funny how if I would have said the "rear", no one would have thought about Rosa Parks. The truth is, it's not a prejudice statement. It was just convient to make it one.
I didn't use a "sporting event" because I'm not familiar with the workings of one, or the seating. I take a bus and train everyday, so it's easier for me to talk about it.

Exactly-this is a debate and it's what we do.

If you don't feel there's ever a reason to show cleavage, then I guess you're very conservative. That's your prerogative. I think wearing an elegant, tasteful evening gown that shows cleavage to want to look and feel beautiful and even sexy is an acceptable reason.

Tone is extremely hard to convey online. I readily accept that due to the way I post, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume the worst. However, that assumption would be wrong in most cases. If you could actually see me as I spoke the words, it would completely change your mind on what's intended. In person, unless I'm mad, I often times smile and/or laugh when I say things. It DOES change the meaning. I keep trying to think of a way to word a disclaimer to put in my siggie, but can't think of one except the one I used to have, which was "Sarcasm is my favorite font". Any suggestions?

As to addressing your comments, I picked out a few. Those weren't the only ones. In this case, we could use the fact that your tone wasn't conveyed to me the way you intended it too. I'm very honest as to how my words can be taken. Not saying you aren't, but I feel you're only seeing it from your point of view, not how someone else may take them.

Ahh, the pros and cons of nursing. I only named a few of the cons. There are many more, but that's not what we're debating. Nursing can be quite difficult.

You may not find the "back of the bus" example to relate to the whole Rosa Parks thing as readily as others may. It's possible that because you ride the bus so often and you say that the back is usually empty that you don't see it the same. Or it could be a generational thing, meaning older people may see the correlation quicker than younger ones, but I think it's a very easy correlation to make. Even on second thought, the comment would relate to my personal thoughts and experiences that the back of the bus was always for the "bad" kids/people. I still see comments made in various different situations relating Rosa Parks and "back of the bus", and I see them often enough that's it's not an oddity. Rear of the bus would still invoke the back of the bus to me. It would take me a moment to process it, but then my thought would still roll around to "whoa, now we're being sent to the back of the bus!"

As for it being prejudice, as I mentioned, this whole debate can easily be related to a prejudicial viewpoint. You mentioned that I made it into a segregation issue. That's incorrect. YOU are wanting them to move out of the public eye when nursing. That IS segregating them. And I hadn't even thought of it in those terms until you brought up. Now that I think about it, it's sounds even more horrible than it did before. I hadn't though of it as segregation or really prejudice, but truth is, that's exactly what it is when you want a woman to leave the area because she's nursing. Man, now why did you have to go and bring things into it that I hadn't even though of. Now I have more ammunition to use in my next debate :)!