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Keyori
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11-01-2009, 07:57 PM
I think you brought up some very good points, Inertia.
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*Thoughtful Quill*
Writing a World of My Own
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11-01-2009, 10:37 PM
This country is about freedom, yes?
If you try to think of 10 individual words about this country I can almost guarantee you that "freedom" will appear.
So, in "the land of the free" a majority of people aren't allowed to marry someone they love, or won't have their marriage recognized by their state, just because the person they love is of the same gender? That hardly sounds like freedom to me. How would people feel if we lived in a world where being straight was unacceptable, and being gay was the norm, and straight people couldn't marry?
I believe that people are both born and choose to be gay. It does not simply have to be one or the other.
It is also impossible for it to be a sin, since God is supposed to accept everyone as they are, and if God created us, then God must have created gays too. However, my opinions could be discredited because I am not religious.
But the bottom line is, everyone should be accepted for who they are and their choices. And the word "free" means more than not being governed by a monarch or a dictator. It means you're free to do whatever you want.
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KimikoShinka
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11-02-2009, 12:08 AM
I do not believe being gay is a sin. I feel it is a person's choice as to who they love. The more love there is, the less hate in the world. Anyways, to me, it's their business, not mine or anyone else not involved. If homosexuals wish to have the same incentives (tax break, receive life insurance, other stuff involved with being married), I believe they should be allowed it; as well as the disadvantages. Just my opinion. :o)
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Keyori
Stalked by BellyButton
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11-02-2009, 02:57 AM
@Quill: The common argument is that "we are tempted by satan" and those who "succumb to temptation" include homosexuals.
Or in otherwords, it's okay to think you're homosexual, you just can't act on it or that would be succumbing to the temptation.
At least, that's always how it's been explained to me.
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Saiyouri
Dead Account Holder
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11-02-2009, 05:58 AM
I think a person is born gay and I believe they are allowed to be married just like everyone else. There is nothing wrong with being gay and they won't go to hell like I hear alot of the times. Gay people are like hetros, they feel, care, love, they do the same things we do but they just happen to love some one of the same sex and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I hate my mother in law, but I really like her girlfriend though. She is nice and can do wayyy better than my mother in law. But that is a whole different story though. So, I like and accepts gays no matter what. And we need to change the damn laws to allow them to donate blood and allow them to be married as well.
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p o p p e t ♥
a whisper in the wind
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11-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Hope I don't offend anyone!
But being gay is totally okay. The only reason anyone would be against it is because of the Bible, which is just a big book of guidlines to life that can be twisted into many different views. The only reason it's not okay to religious people is for the main fact that you cannot reproduce that way, which is the only reason to many, that humans are here. Is to reproduce. Apparently God forgives and loves all, as should His followers you would think.
So you can't exactly reproduce. Thank god... there are too many people on this planet destroying it everyday anyway.
So really, keep on keepin on you homos, I love you.
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Serita
DakotaGrl06
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11-04-2009, 04:53 AM
I am not gay. But I have several friends that are. From what I'm told by my friends they have know since they were around the ages of 5-6 that they were gay. that it's not a choice, its the same thing as you being born straight its not a choice its how they were born. But I will admit that's not always the case I'm sure there are some people that have chosen. Now I don't have problems with gay people dating. Or getting legal partnership, having a family raising kids the whole 9 yards. But the I don't understand the need to push the catholic church or other religions to legalize it in there religions. Its against there religions. Just like years ago that is was illegal for gays to marry. Personally they got partnership, Why do they have to force it on the churches. As I stated before. I don't have a problem with gay people. Some of my best friends are of the gay orientation. Including my ex boyfriend. So I have know issues against gay people. I just have a hard time comprehending the why when they can get leagal partnerships they have to push for more. I wish I could understand.
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slickie
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11-04-2009, 08:47 AM
I don't think it's that they specifically want churches to accept them, but they want the general public to. Even if gays had the right to marry, the churches have the right to say "no I won't marry you it's against my religion". Gays having the right to marry will never make freedom of religion obsolete. What they are really striving for is equality. They don't want to push their views onto others who don't agree with them, all they want is the same rights as everyone else. To me, the Gay marriage thing has nothing to do with beliefs and everything to do with rights and equality.
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Misses Jenn Jenn
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11-04-2009, 08:52 AM
I'm torn. Personally, it's a choice that I really don't believe in. But I feel that it's a choice that is free to be made. I won't dis on a gay person. But I won't promote it, either.
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slickie
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11-04-2009, 08:55 AM
why not? care to elaborate?
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Misses Jenn Jenn
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11-04-2009, 09:39 AM
I was raised in a straight home, going to a Catholic church. I wasn't ever taught about the prospect of being gay until I was older. When the topic was first brought to me, I was taught that it was wrong to be gay. That anyone who chose to be gay would go to hell (which I personally think is a crock of AHEM).
But then, after my parents got divorced, my mom decided that she was going to be bi, and then turned straight gay. After that, I became torn in my beliefs. And I still am. I support those who are gay, becauase I feel that it's a decision for them to make. And if they were ever to be married in a state that allows it, then more power to them! I also feel that gay marriage should be allowed everywhere, because it's all about being able to make that choice in a free country.
However, at the same time, I don't feel that it's right. I think that it's only natural for a man to love a woman and vice versa. It just shouldn't be the other way! Mostly, it's because of the way I was raised (up until the point where my parents divorced, that is). And we all know that a good portion of how beliefs are formed comes from the way that an individual is raised.
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slickie
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11-04-2009, 10:00 AM
I don't really understand it either, as I am straight. It feels unnatural to me. But for them, it probably feels unnatural to be straight or secluded to only one sex.
I Just don't think it's fair not to allow them to marry just because religion says it's a sin. that is also not very american, and is not equal rights.
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Laila Izuka
Culinary Arts Ninja~
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11-04-2009, 05:55 PM
This is a topic that I can really write about
I FULLY support gay marriage, and gay and bi people in general. I see nothing wrong with it. If you love someone, you should be with them. It shouldn't matter if you are straight, bi, gay, or whatever.
I also heard about that law that got passed in California, and it pissed me off as well. I live in Nevada, and it's not outlawed here.
I myself am bi, and have a girlfriend. I don't believe that I'm going to hell for that. I don't think that it's a sin to be bi or gay. But for those that don't believe in gay marriage, or that it's a sin. What then gives someone the right to marry a man when you're a woman and vice versa???
When I was talking to a friend of mine (who is gay), we were discussing this video that totally pissed us off. There was this church that did a gay exorcism on this poor boy. It probably scared him for life, and he was thrown into the closet again for that happening to him. My friend and I got off into more talk of religion and sexuality. (What I'm about to say I do not mean to be offensive to those that are religious). But, the bible states that being gay is a sin. But what if God himself is gay or bi??? No one knows for sure if he is or not. Would those that are religious see then that there is nothing wrong with being bi or gay???
Anyways, there is my opinion. And yet again, I mean no offense to anyone~
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Miriald
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11-04-2009, 06:43 PM
Hi. Token gay boy here. *waves* In response to some ideas being posted: I don't think being gay and having a fetish is the same thing. Both gays and straights (and bis for that matter) can have fetishes. Also, Misses Jenn Jenn said she was
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. Well, so was I. ^_^ So were most gays, actually. But even though I was raised by two straight parents who have been married for almost forty years and are still head over heels in love with each other (go Mom and Dad!) I've always been attracted to boys - and so has my brother. My sister, on the other hand, is very happily straight. I think genetics plays a big part, but environment might have some influence, too. And discovering that you have feelings for one sex or the other comes at different times for different people. (My sister has a 15-year-old daughter who still isn't interested in boys - or girls for that matter - and my sister is actually worried that she's not boy crazy yet.) People are individuals, and what's right for some isn't right for others.
As for gay marriage, I see that as an equal rights issue. If marriage is something regulated by the government, there shouldn't be a religious test to get married. I think there should be civil marriage for everyone and if some people want the addition of a religious blessing, they should be able to have that if they follow their church's rules.
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Sephi
Dead Account Holder
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11-04-2009, 07:21 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay/bi/lesbian.
The best friend I've ever had was a flaming proud lesbian.
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Miriald
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11-04-2009, 10:52 PM
I love the idea of a flaming lesbian! And Sephy, your Dom outfit is too cool, especially that whip. (Now that's a fetish!)
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TheYaoiButterfly
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11-05-2009, 07:21 AM
@Tide ToGo: omg I think I love you *huggles* THANK YOU! You are proof that not all christians are close minded idiots <333 I always feel so happy when I find open minded christians :yes:
anyways. I totally agree with gay marriage. My state I live in (I live in Vermont by the way) passed gay marriage a few months ago actually, and I was EXTREMELY happy about that. I'm bisexual myself, and I had a girlfriend for two years in high school. I also have an aunt on my dad's side who's lesbian and my mom's younger brother who's gay (he's one of my favorite uncles <3) I believe marriage should be allowed for all types of couples. Love has no boundaries, so there shouldn't be laws that restrict it. LOVE IS LOVE no matter what!!!
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m00finsan
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11-05-2009, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Serita
[...]I just have a hard time comprehending the why when they can get leagal partnerships they have to push for more. I wish I could understand.
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Well, part of it has to do with the >1,000 rights and protections given to heterosexually married couples but denied to civil unions on the federal level alone. (State benefits vary, and homosexual marriages along with civil unions are not recognized by the federal government).
Another thing is the feeling of "separate but equal": we can't give you gay people "marriage" per se, but we can give you something like it.
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Keyori
Stalked by BellyButton
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11-05-2009, 08:09 PM
Even if we were to give homosexual couples the "exact same rights" under a different name, then that just stresses "separate but equal." We tried segregated schools, and that didn't work, so why segregate marriage types?
I don't think we're going to have comprehensive reform until our public understands that MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, PERIOD. That's why, under separation of church and state, you can get married by a court judge OR an ordained minister (by the way, there are several websites who will ordain you for marriage and provide you with paperwork with little to no prerequisites).
Weddings, however, have everything to do with religion. Your ceremony is likely going to be a reflection of traditions within whatever religion you subscribe to, or whichever church you are a member of.
If churches don't want to marry interracial couples or gay couples (or even couples with large gaps in age), then they don't have to. That's how it has been, that's how it always will be. No one is forcing churches to marry couples they don't want to, and legalizing gay marriage on a national level wouldn't change that.
I'm unitarian. My fiance is a questioning christian. We have chosen who will be marrying us--a close mutual friend, who is atheist. We will not be marrying in a church, since neither my fiance nor myself are members of one. We're not having a religious ceremony. Heck, I'm not even sure if my dress will be white.
But that's not the government's business, or the church's business. It's my business. If a church doesn't want to marry me and my fiance because we're not members, fine, I don't expect them to and they're not required to.
I don't see why people keep thinking that government is forcing churches to do anything.
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Nalah Sin
Mostly harmless
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11-05-2009, 08:38 PM
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Even if we were to give homosexual couples the "exact same rights" under a different name, then that just stresses "separate but equal." We tried segregated schools, and that didn't work, so why segregate marriage types?
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That's exactly what's happening in my country right now. There will be homosexual "partnerships" with the exact same rights and liabilities, but they are not to be called "marriage" and not to be held at the same offices as heterosexual marriages.
I asked my mother why she agreed with this (she's all for homosexual rights, but "marriage" should be reserved for heterosexuals exclusively), and she just couldn't give me any answer at all. She said she knew this was pretty strange, but it just didn't "feel right" for her.
I think it's rather sad. In a time where marriage long since ceased to be a partnership with the ultimate goal of birthing a son and heir, but instead turned into a way to express your mutual love, why should this be denied to those who truly love each other - no matter whether one or both of them have jingly bits?
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Tsoji
Supah Smexy
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11-05-2009, 08:46 PM
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... no matter whether one or both of them have jingly bits?
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Or neither ;)
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Nalah Sin
Mostly harmless
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11-05-2009, 08:55 PM
Especially neither! ;)
*edits into something like:*
"... no matter whether one (or both) of them have jingly bits?"
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wellel
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11-05-2009, 11:12 PM
Truthfully, I don't believe sin even exists. Nothing is generally good or bad in relevance to each other. Being bisexual myself, I really don't see what's so bad about homosexuality. People are against it mostly for the social norms, but where did those originate from? I think it was the whole deal about reproduction and stuff but that's not relevant anymore. The world is overpopulating to the point where nature is slowly turning to dust. Why would you want to add to that?
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kinyune
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11-06-2009, 03:38 AM
lol. i don't mind it at all. i'm not gay but i have lots of friends who are. God has made you special and that's al there is to it! =3
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reddeath26
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11-09-2009, 11:36 AM
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That's exactly what's happening in my country right now. There will be homosexual "partnerships" with the exact same rights and liabilities, but they are not to be called "marriage" and not to be held at the same offices as heterosexual marriages.
I asked my mother why she agreed with this (she's all for homosexual rights, but "marriage" should be reserved for heterosexuals exclusively), and she just couldn't give me any answer at all. She said she knew this was pretty strange, but it just didn't "feel right" for her.
I think it's rather sad. In a time where marriage long since ceased to be a partnership with the ultimate goal of birthing a son and heir, but instead turned into a way to express your mutual love, why should this be denied to those who truly love each other - no matter whether one or both of them have jingly bits?
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This is not entirely surprising considering that sexuality and gender are little more than social constructs. When you throw in the fact that even "nature" is a social construction, we find that the playing field homosexuals and bisexuals have to compete on to be recognized as human beings is heavily slanted against them.
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