Yeah, I really don't see the extra click being any sort of issue, let alone a MASSIVE one. ._.

I mean, I understand people wanting their purchases to be as convenient as possible, but... Wanting it more convenient than this extra step simply because you're using a credit card/PayPal is, well... No offense, but it's lazy of you to expect stuff to be THAT simplistic. Unless you are only online for two minutes in a day... Still, you can go on the following day for another two minutes to spend the Mennies.

Honestly, though. xD It's ridiculous to think of it as a hassle just to have that extra half-step.

And on the subject of Gaia, for the zillionth time since I joined back in May of '07... STOP. COMPARING THIS PLACE. TO GAIA. D8<

It's certainly maddening for me, and I cannot imagine how damaging it is to the sanity of our Devs and Admins and such. I mean, they have to have like a permanent eye-twitch by now from all of this Gaia comparison!

I understand being wary of past attempts at 'cash shop' concepts, but these people have already PROMISED THEIR LIVES that they will in no way, shape, or form follow in the footsteps of Gaia.

Besides, Gaia was the first to introduce that process, and their way of thinking it up was a fail. It's true that history repeats itself, but it's not true that it does not affect sites around it for the better - once one site screws up, another knows not to follow in their thought process. Trial and error, people. Trial and error.

@Sizzla - That's true. It's not that much of a hassle. I do worry a bit though with my current very slow wireless connect while I'm at school.

Thanks, though for confirmining what I thought.

And Facade, I'm not claiming that I find it to be that big of a deal. I did not even claim that it is any extra hassle. I simply stated that it is a bit annoying to go through with two "transactions" to get a CI. Yes, I like things simplistic, but that does not mean that I am lazy.

Originally Posted by King of Bedlam

I just hope that you don't go all crazy like gaia did and make everything revolve around the purchase of virtual items. I like buying contribution items.... something neat a little to the side that supports the site at the same time... But gaia was to the point of headaches.

Something tells me I will only stick to monthly items... I cannot be sucked into a second attempt at selling me virtual items... Sorry. Although I do like the fact that you finally are labeling it with a virtual currency just in case you want to save it for later.

If you look on the previous page there is an enlightening post by yours truly. :D

You make a few good points, but I am posting more about the fact that if they start pumping the contribution item store full of random crap that has no other use other than to empty your wallet.

Even if you can equip it all without buying multiple poses eventually you can load up a 'cash shop' with enough stuff to empty your wallet and have every other announcement revolve around what is new in the cash shop. I'm not saying menewsha is going to do it, I'm just saying that I don't want them to do it.

Well it appears that you missed or didn't understand one of the very important points.

you asked and we LISTENED! SMS IS HERE!
. So that means in the site feedback forum, users asked for this option. After the staff discussed it, we now have this option. Might I add the reason for bolding the word option, is because that is all that it is. This isn't a cash shop or exclusive item. Those who could not donate and can benefit from this option, now have it. The CI's can still be found in the exchange if someone still can not donate with the 3 available options.

Including this pretty gem at the end.

They don't need constant reminders of what not to do. Many, if not all of the staff have been on Gaia and know what Gaia is all about. They're not blind. :/ So the constant mimicry of Gaia is only a dampener on staff moral. There is nothing wrong with feeling anxious or worried. But you can voice how you feel and get feedback without dragging another site into it.

And you can read all about the ideas and concerns with staff feedback on the cash shop, here. :)

Mennies is a weird word for a currency to me.
But maybe that's because my good friend's nickname is "Menny".
XD

Mennies is a play on pennies.

My god no DD:
This place will probably turn like the other site I came from e.e

Wow, people really don't have faith in Menewsha do they? XD

Nor do they read anything other than the first post :lol:

Oh well, WE know we're not turning into Gaia, when these people finally listen/read they'll realise that too :)

Maybe some key points need to be added to the first post... Perhaps it'd help quell some fears since I know 13 pages is a bit of reading.

Maybe the first page could be edited and have quotes added from the staff so people would understand more. >.>;


anyways i thought the word Menny is clever. It's totally legit and since it is Mene... i guessed Mennies was appropriate. And i didnt even see that Menny is a play on Penny until it was pointed out. :XD

Lol. Yes, editing the first page would probably help a little...maybe. Most people don't read past the first page. >.>;

Haha Mennies is cute. XD

This is actually the best idea I've ever seen here on Mene, creating a way for people in other countries to donate.

I finally can donate to my favorite site and get me some CI's as well.

(reply to the mentioning of mennies either being or not being involved with a future cash shop)

Time is money, and the reason a lot of you like menewsha in the end can be traced back to the amount of dedication and TIME we put into things.

you figure it out

I'm going to sound like a bitch here, but I'm tired and sick, and just hurt that people really think this way.

the sole purpose of creating a cash shop here on menewsha would NOT be to simply STEAL ALL YOUR MONEY!! or to make you WASTE IT ON STUPID THINGS!!

we spend HOURS hours and hours and hours working on items and functions for this site. Working to make this site move -FORWARD- and not stagnate into oblivion.

How do you think anyone on staff is being payed? do you think we all have the time to just do this for you guys as a -fulltime-hobby? A cash shop would never be implemented to GET RICH, it would be implemented to KEEP US ALIVE.

I'm all for everyone having their own opinions about things, but We all work REALLY hard and maybe someday we'd like to be able to have enough people on staff for some of us not to be pushed to the brink of exhaustion every moment of our lives.

More staff means more money.

If you guys who are complaining about cash shops or alternative methods of making money to PAY THE PEOPLE ENTERTAINING YOU can't think of or suggest ways of making money that you would PREFFER..wath is the point of saying anything at all?

You're not helping, you're just bitching and shooting down a possibility that could make menewsha even BETTER.

This is like if a local band you love would play for free but then they start selling CDs and you're pissed that they're trying to tempt you to spend your money! you only liked them b/c they were free.. But the sales of those CDs will go towards buying new equiptment for the band and now they sound 100% awesomer.

If the only reason you'd start disliking Mene is b/c we start selling items for real cash, then you obviously didnt really like this place to begin with.


this isnt directed at anyone specific just reading through this and recalling reactions in every other announcement of something new involving money..some of the attitudes just boggle my mind.

seriously boggle.

Menewsha is a busniess.

The point of a business is to make money so that it may continue to exist.

a lot of people cant spend money online or at every site they visit, but if you could, wouldnt you? Wouldnt you feel good knowing your money is going towards something you supposedly enjoy?

Originally Posted by CK

Mennies is a play on pennies.

Seems Alot Lyke "Gaia" Besides

I Don't Want The "Contribution" Prize That Much!


But If It is the Way They Earn A Living?

Well,Then That A Different *Fake Cough*pathetic* Way Of Doing it...

Pex, if you don't want it, don't buy it.
If you don't wana spend money, then don't.

No-one's forcing you to spend money.

Pathetic?
Umm... Would you work for free?

And if you think Menewsha is pathetic, if you think the staff is pathetic, well, no-one's forcing you to stay. ¬.¬ If you don't like it then LEAVE. Easy as that.

Sad that people aren't realizing this is an alternate way to be able to buy contribute items and it by no means is a cash shop yet. :(

This is no different than menewsha accepting cash or credit card or pay pal. Though I do think people are afraid of the thought of a cash shop and different currency that can be bought with real life money. Hopefully when/if menewsha implements one it will be a good one.

Originally Posted by Pexiloo

Seems Alot Lyke "Gaia" Besides

I Don't Want The "Contribution" Prize That Much!


But If It is the Way They Earn A Living?

Well,Then That A Different *Fake Cough*pathetic* Way Of Doing it...

Seems to me like all you are doing is trying to put down our hard working staff with the emotional attitude of "Oh my god! I am 16 and I know the ways of the world! I know everything that goes on in your staff forums!!"

Like Bisque said. How do you think the developers get paid money? Do you think its fair them not get paid because you dont want to pay anything. Sounds kind of greedy to me.

I would also like to advise you, that you are getting very close to trolling. You may want to tune it down.

Wow, people really do lack faith in Menewsha.
I might have an idea why, though.

This is an odd thought, but it seems like this "Mennies" situation is like a first time having sex.

Allow me to explain.

Gaia was probably a lot of people's first Avatar site.
And after spending more and more time at Gaia, they grew attached to it.
Much like a first love.
When Gaia forst introduced "Gaia Cash", they Gaians were confused, but used the Cash because they loved Gaia and that's what Gaia wanted.
Same as when a girlfriend or boyfriend asks you to have sex for the first time, you don't really want to...but you love them so you do it anyways.
When Gaia started abusing the Cash System, Gaians felt betrayed and disgusted.
As would a person in a relationship, having an unpleasant first experience with sex/Cash System.
So, when seeing Menewsha introducing "Mennies", everyone's bad memories came rushing back...and they assume it's going to be the same, another horrible experience.

What they don't understand is; this is a different site/someone...and since every site/everyone is different...it may not be the same.

...uhm....yeah...
{I think this was a rant because of my want of a cigarette right now...I just hope they don't take this as spam...I'm just trying to explain....}

Originally Posted by Pexiloo

Seems Alot Lyke "Gaia" Besides

I Don't Want The "Contribution" Prize That Much!


But If It is the Way They Earn A Living?

Well,Then That A Different *Fake Cough*pathetic* Way Of Doing it...

Well, I think that was a pretty pathetic post.

I think it would be great to be able to do the stuff that these guys do!

The development of games and event things is really good, the artistic work is out of this world, and the moderating/administration is fantastic. They actually answer your questions and help you if you have a problem! Imagine that. (Unlike a certain other site that we know...)

You don't get all of that for free.

Originally Posted by Bisque

(reply to the mentioning of mennies either being or not being involved with a future cash shop)

Time is money, and the reason a lot of you like menewsha in the end can be traced back to the amount of dedication and TIME we put into things.

you figure it out

I'm going to sound like a bitch here, but I'm tired and sick, and just hurt that people really think this way.

the sole purpose of creating a cash shop here on menewsha would NOT be to simply STEAL ALL YOUR MONEY!! or to make you WASTE IT ON STUPID THINGS!!

we spend HOURS hours and hours and hours working on items and functions for this site. Working to make this site move -FORWARD- and not stagnate into oblivion.

How do you think anyone on staff is being payed? do you think we all have the time to just do this for you guys as a -fulltime-hobby? A cash shop would never be implemented to GET RICH, it would be implemented to KEEP US ALIVE.

I'm all for everyone having their own opinions about things, but We all work REALLY hard and maybe someday we'd like to be able to have enough people on staff for some of us not to be pushed to the brink of exhaustion every moment of our lives.

More staff means more money.

If you guys who are complaining about cash shops or alternative methods of making money to PAY THE PEOPLE ENTERTAINING YOU can't think of or suggest ways of making money that you would PREFFER..wath is the point of saying anything at all?

You're not helping, you're just bitching and shooting down a possibility that could make menewsha even BETTER.

This is like if a local band you love would play for free but then they start selling CDs and you're pissed that they're trying to tempt you to spend your money! you only liked them b/c they were free.. But the sales of those CDs will go towards buying new equiptment for the band and now they sound 100% awesomer.

If the only reason you'd start disliking Mene is b/c we start selling items for real cash, then you obviously didnt really like this place to begin with.


this isnt directed at anyone specific just reading through this and recalling reactions in every other announcement of something new involving money..some of the attitudes just boggle my mind.

seriously boggle.

Menewsha is a busniess.

The point of a business is to make money so that it may continue to exist.

a lot of people cant spend money online or at every site they visit, but if you could, wouldnt you? Wouldnt you feel good knowing your money is going towards something you supposedly enjoy?

Until you made this post I was more than "cool" with it. I had no issue or complaint. I still don't, not really, but YOUR post makes it sound just like Gaia. Money, money, money to keep the business going and pay the overworked, under staffed crew-that's Gaia's excuse for the continued (what I consider) abuse of their cash shop. I'm fairly new. Except for the very first month I joined, I've bought 2 sets of CI's each month so far-which I refuse to do for Gaia anymore-you're getting my money now :lol:! I came here because I liked the quality of the items-they're all so pretty and vividly colored, and your jewelry actually shows up when you wear it :).

I realize we all have our opinions, and it might hurt you guys (staff) feelings to see so many complain about something you believe will further the site and make it better and want to express those feelings. However, I think you hurt more than you helped the situation. Not to mention that now another poster has been "threatened" that they are close to trolling for expressing their opinion (not by you, by another)......tsk, tsk.

I'll go back to my corner now before I get "threatened", though I'm sure I'll be on some type of black list now. I'll also go back to my ignorant state. Honestly, I was much better off not hearing the awful truth. I liked the idea of having a way for more people to enjoy the CI's as I'm able to, and even a small cash shop. I'm advanced enough in years to know that to continue forward, money is needed, and I like it enough here to give when I can for your beautiful items (they really are), but I could have done without hearing it put so bluntly that it comes down to money. Ignorance is bliss-or it was for me on this topic. This is my mule, by the way.

~~~~~~Wondering if I should really hit "submit" on this one~~~~~~

Seriously? We have never banned someone for stating their honest opinion.

The people who say otherwise only say so because it sounds cooler than, "My friend was banned for off-siting." or "My friend was banned for being a spamming spammer."

:lol: I wonder why people don't realise that they don't have to spend their money if they don't want to.

It's not like any of the staff is gonna come through your computer screen, lift you by the legs, and shake you until all your money falls from your pockets. (Although, that would be cool.) They aren't stealing. You pay for something, you get it.
If you don't want it, you don't pay for it.

It's like going to a supermarket to buy milk.

I'll not lie I'm still a teensy bit skeptical... But I will more than likely use SMS to get mennies and use them.

Is it not enough that our site rules are so different from Gaia's?

Devils Advocate, the person was close to trolling. Express opinion yes, but doing it in such a way to provoke a negative reaction and possibly an argument is trolling.

I understand the fear of expressing ones opinion though ... most of our users are from Gaia and that is a site where complaining can get you banned. You raise enough of a fuss and you will log on to a banned account and they will just never give you a reason for it if you inquire.

I think what a lot of staff need to realize is alot of these users have good reason to fear the change. They witnessed it first hand over the evolution of gaia ... HOWEVER!

I want to point out gaia was going down hill long before the cash shop ... check your concerns at the door and begin to express them when you start seeing banners on menewsha ... when you start seeing movie trailers and themed items for merchandise ... then you should start to show concern ... Menewsha is not following the same evolution Gaia did ...

I trust the staff of this place and I understand some of them getting edgy too. Ive been a mod/GM for a few games and forums and nothing stings more than busting your ass just to get it thrown in your face.