Originally Posted by Tsukipon

Cry me a river. You know, being nasty is not the way to prove a point because I was not at all. I never said I read the Qur'an nor did I state that I was trying to tell you about your religion. I only merely stated what I have come to understand. And I even asked for you to correct me. You could have done it nicely, you know, educating me. But the fact that you went about it is a distasteful way, I can't even respect you.

I haven't read the Qur'an, I haven't read the Bible. I don't even plan to because I don't need God. But I will look up somethings before stating anything because I don't want to seem ignorant. Being ignorant would have been to start off my post with "You're wrong because....because I read it on this website..."

How was I being nasty? I was just informing you the truth about muslims. I had already stated that muslims do believe that Jesus is the Messiah and then you quoted it and said that we didn't. So how am I being the nasty one? You were trying to say I was wrong by quoting me and saying something the opposite from what I said when you didn't even really know yourself, as you have just stated.

When it comes to wars, pretty much anything can be the cause of it. The Crusades was done in the NAME of religion, when it fact it did involve politics and greed. Recently in my religious course, we talked about Saint Francis of Assisi who actually went to the Holy Land to see if he could help anyone. Well, his fellow 'Christians' were the ones causing all the bloodshed and all and when he met the sultan of that area, he was treated with respect. So I say wars that do involve religion, most of the time involve other reasons too. But whatever kind of war it is, it's still wrong.

Originally Posted by 2ktaco

Whats your religion? Whats its like? What are your morales? What do you believe happens after death?

yeah so....umm as a muslim i believe that there's only one God(Allah) and that the final prophet is Muhammad. i believe it is not as restricting as most ppl believe it is. there r some differences btw the christianity and judaism. the reason these religions r so close is that, from what i have learned, over the years, God has sent the same message thru ALL prophets. but, since man is only human, and corrupt, they changed the initial message to fit their needs and desires for wealth, power, etc. so, the reason Muhammad is the last prophet, is because he has finally gotten the message that God has sent without getting the info messed up or corrupt.
As a muslim girl, i have chosen to wear the hijab(headscarf) and clothing that covers everything but my hands and face. one reason behind this is because i believe that as a female i should maintain a certain level of respect for myself and i do not wish to show any part of my body to anyone besides my family and husband. this is what i believe. i am not saying that every other girl that's out there is not decent because they did not make the same choice as i did. as a matter of fact, there r many muslims who chose not to wear the hijab. i, myself have just recently made this change in my life and i am proud.
hmmmm after death? i dont exactly kno how to explain that. so im not going to go into that topic.

well, thats what i believe as a muslim and i hope u dont take offense to anything i say. i only conveyed what i am capable so double checking what i have said is recommended. i do not intend to try to convert anyone or try to be a know-it-all. but i hope this gives u some kind of insight :D

Religion offers stability, regardless of the actual beliefs. Religion says 'here, I give you a Higher Power that controls all.' It removes the hopelessness, also some of the accountability.

Originally Posted by ichigo8504

How was I being nasty? I was just informing you the truth about muslims. I had already stated that muslims do believe that Jesus is the Messiah and then you quoted it and said that we didn't. So how am I being the nasty one? You were trying to say I was wrong by quoting me and saying something the opposite from what I said when you didn't even really know yourself, as you have just stated.

I didn't say I didn't know what I said. I only stated that I didn't know beforehand and when I looked it up to correct someone else, I happened to read your post. Now I could have interpreted that statement wrong, but there isn't a person alive who has not misinterpreted a religious text. Especially if that person just read the book instead of going to a church, or whatever, where someone can teach them, of course that person may misunderstand.

I only wished to be corrected. You didn't need to use worlds like "don't try to tell me about my religion". I wasn't trying to. I would never try to do anything of the sort.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

I didn't say I didn't know what I said. I only stated that I didn't know beforehand and when I looked it up to correct someone else, I happened to read your post. Now I could have interpreted that statement wrong, but there isn't a person alive who has not misinterpreted a religious text. Especially if that person just read the book instead of going to a church, or whatever, where someone can teach them, of course that person may misunderstand.

I only wished to be corrected. You didn't need to use worlds like "don't try to tell me about my religion". I wasn't trying to. I would never try to do anything of the sort.

Well, when I said that muslims believed that Jesus is the messiah, you told me we didn't, that is the only really reason why I got offensive. It was pretty much a mis understanding in both of us.

SOMETHING MOST LIKELY NOT SAID YET IN THIS THREAD

I my self have not yet found the correct name for what I believe, but I am one that belives
that all religions are real, it is all in the heads of everyone. Christians believe that there is
one single God and lord, when they die they will pass on to hell or heaven. What they believe
is real. As well as other religions that believe in reencarnation (sp), if they believe they will
come back after death as another creature, then so be it. We will have a turtle named Uncle
Fred.

I don't believe these things becuase I am afraid to go against a religion or not wanting to
pick just one, for I don't practice any religion specifically. My parents are very strong
christians, and my mother is a wiccan as well as her mother and my great grandmother. I
practice neither of these.

My thought process for this belief, comes from the complex theaories of the mind, If you
believe it, then it can be true. Some people believe they can levitate, and thus they can.
some can read see the future, and they can. If you believe there is a heaven and a hell, and
you think you are going to be going to hell, then thats what will happen when they die. Some
don't think anything is after death, and so there won't be. Its all in the mind, everything.

I've come to the conclusion that religions are different ways of looking at the same thing. Depending on what particular flavour and brand you enjoy, you pick one (or don't.)

Personally, I tend to alliance myself with Buddhists simply because over here its easier to say "I'm Buddhist" than explain a detailed set of morals and spiritual activities.

Regardless of anything anybody has said here, religion is a waste of time, effort and money. :} just live.

ugh. still trying to figure this out...i dunno how to vote on my religion. guess it doesn't matter much since i'm agnostic and that wasn't listed.

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Regardless of anything anybody has said here, religion is a waste of time, effort and money. :} just live.

religions are organized more powerful version of cults. yupp.

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: \ˈkəlt\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date: 1617
1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

By most of those definitions, "religion" and "cult" are synonymous. By one, many religions still are cults. By none are cults necessarily unhealthy or bad.

Also, you can't vote because the OP closed the poll.

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Regardless of anything anybody has said here, religion is a waste of time, effort and money. :} just live.

I love you man. You had a gall to say what I never thought anyone would say.
But I thought

Originally Posted by ichigo8504

Well, when I said that muslims believed that Jesus is the messiah, you told me we didn't, that is the only really reason why I got offensive. It was pretty much a mis understanding in both of us.

I'm sorry for misunderstanding you. And I don't want to be mean against you. Hug?

To say religion is the main cause of war etc is simply an escapist attempt at explaining the problems in today's world.

To cure the problems of the world today may do some good to completely remove religion from the hearts of humanity, but only for a mere moment in history and only because politics too would become estranged for a while. War is fought over anything money, land, race, identity, revenge, emotion, pride, politics or even an ear (War of Jenkin's Ear).

To say many wars have been fought over religion is true, but to say any war was fought only for any reason is ridiculous and sheer display of political ignorance.

Countries and people do not specifically go to war for any one reason, it takes an array of underlying incidences and circumstances to ignite brooding factions to battle. These can be logical or illogical. Often in history a person's cultural identity was seen as a logical reasoning for hatred and enmity.

Religion is often seen as a major underlying reason for war because a person's religion is seen as linked to their race, land/territories, politics and affiliations. Not simply because of their beliefs. Furthermore, religious fervor and devotion to a higher order was very often abused into making people more passionate about such wars, but not really for instigating them.

Many of the worlds most "successful" wars and conquerors were not religiously inspired at all.

Alexander The Great
Ghengis Khan
The Sassanids
Romans
The Huns

All these groups fought countless wars which didn't have anything particularly to do with religion.

Interestingly, the non-religious warlords are venerated in history.

Long story short: Religion is a fairy-tale for adults.

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

I love you man. You had a gall to say what I never thought anyone would say.
But I thought

I'm surprised no one else said it, actually. XD

Actually, several other people have said it. You aren't edgy or cool, you're just ignoring what everyone else has posted :| I'd really like you to support your claims, but I know that won't happen.

Originally Posted by Philomel

Actually, several other people have said it. You aren't edgy or cool, you're just ignoring what everyone else has posted :| I'd really like you to support your claims, but I know that won't happen.

Yeah, I haven't read what anyone else has posted. It's a waste of time. I was just stating my views, like the thread asks, and replying to people, thinking that they must have read more than I did. Meh.

Oh and where did I claim to be edgy and cool? <_< I was kinda shocked to think that no one else said anything similar. Isn't that more like being modest, my silly cynical chum?

Oh and, no need for support on my claims, it's pretty self-explanatory unless you're delusional/religious. :D

atheist for sure! i mean every question people ask has been answered scientifically...and if a question has not been answer there are questions in the world that can't be answer. it doesn't mean some higher power points his finger or whatever and "oh there it is." if humans were placed on this earth why do we have to give birth why cant we just be placed. no instead we come out of other humans. i dont ever believe there will be un-scientific proof of god or buddah or any other godly power. if someday proof comes i will believe but so far i have been able ot answer everything scientifically.

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Yeah, I haven't read what anyone else has posted. It's a waste of time. I was just stating my views, like the thread asks, and replying to people, thinking that they must have read more than I did. Meh.

Except that such is rude. This is a debate forum, not a "state your opinion, ignore what anyone and everyone else has said, and run" forum.

Oh and where did I claim to be edgy and cool? <_< I was kinda shocked to think that no one else said anything similar. Isn't that more like being modest, my silly cynical chum?

1) Don't call me 'silly' or cynical. I don't see how I'm being "silly", and I'm far from a cynic. 2) You didn't read the thread. How do you know no one has said what you did? (And they have.)

Oh and, no need for support on my claims, it's pretty self-explanatory unless you're delusional/religious. :D

No, you do need to support your claims. Your statements are intentionally ignorant, obnoxious, and insulting. You know very little about religion; that much is clear by your statements. Or, again, you're intentionally pretending to be ignorant. I hope it's the latter. Because surely, you can't think something which, for many, provides a sense of belonging and purpose and fulfillment and, for some, a reason to live and a source of hope in situations where there might otherwise be none, is a "waste of time and effort". Your statement about money is even more out-there. Vows of poverty are common in many religions, and the vast majority require no tithes or expensive offerings. But then, as someone who knows so much that he can make blanket statements about religion as a whole when I have yet to find -any- common bond shared by every single one, I'm sure you know all this already and are just being "silly", in your words.

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Long story short: Religion is a fairy-tale for adults.



I'm surprised no one else said it, actually. XD

I agree entirely. And don't worry about anything. It is cool for you to have stated your views. You are so bold. You don't need no "evidence" to state your opinioin if you aren't even trying to prove a point.

Originally Posted by Philomel

Except that such is rude. This is a debate forum, not a "state your opinion, ignore what anyone and everyone else has said, and run" forum.

The dude who started the thread just ask questions. He didn't say "STATE YOUR VIEWS AND ARGUE YOUR POINT" See below:

Originally Posted by 2ktaco

Whats your religion? Whats its like? What are your morales? What do you believe happens after death?

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Oh and, no need for support on my claims, it's pretty self-explanatory unless you're delusional/religious. :D

I agree with you. Like donating to church. Why? Like wasting your saturdays or sundays going to church to hear people prech to me their interpretation of the bible or whatever relgiious text. I don't like having to live my life the way a book says just to please some higher power. I live my life the way I do because I want to and because it is fun.

Oh, well in that case, he didn't answer the thread's questions at all! Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by Philomel

Oh, well in that case, he didn't answer the thread's questions at all! Thanks for pointing that out.

He answered the "what's your religion" question by basically referring to the fact that he did not believe in any. Just because he didn't specifically state it, doesn't mean he did not answer the question. He obviously doesn't believe in anything because he stated how much of a waste of time it is.

So anyone who doesn't have a religion can't participate here?

Originally Posted by Tsukipon

He answered the "what's your religion" question by basically referring to the fact that he did not believe in any. Just because he didn't specifically state it, doesn't mean he did not answer the question. He obviously doesn't believe in anything because he stated how much of a waste of time it is.

So anyone who doesn't have a religion can't participate here?

...No, he ignored the question altogether. I know many faux-Wiccans and faux-Druids who claim to "hate all religion" and have nothing but nasty things to say about it. Many associate religion with Christianity necessarily, so they may not even consider what they practice to be a religion. He said nothing about his religion or lack thereof or his personal non-religious beliefs, merely took the opportunity to hate on religion as a whole.

Originally Posted by Philomel

...No, he ignored the question altogether. I know many faux-Wiccans and faux-Druids who claim to "hate all religion" and have nothing but nasty things to say about it. Many associate religion with Christianity necessarily, so they may not even consider what they practice to be a religion. He said nothing about his religion or lack thereof or his personal non-religious beliefs, merely took the opportunity to hate on religion as a whole.

Claiming religion is a waste of time kind of hints he has none.

Wicca is a religion. Druid is too. So iif they say the hate religion, they are hypocrites.

Poopshaft did not comply with the first post and actually just seemed to want to troll instead.

" Regardless of anything anybody has said here, religion is a waste of time, effort and money. :} just live. "

Originally Posted by Poopshaft

Whats your religion? Whats its like? What are your morales? What do you believe happens after death?

We do not learn of his religions, what it's like, his morals or what he believes happens after death.

He neither answers the original question, nor complies with "Debating" the meaning of these boards. Instead he just seems to troll about in the thread feeling intelligent.

Originally Posted by Inertia

Poopshaft did not comply with the first post and actually just seemed to want to troll instead.

We do not learn of his religions, what it's like, his morals or what he believes happens after death.

He neither answers the original question, nor complies with "Debating" the meaning of these boards. Instead he just seems to troll about in the thread feeling intelligent.

You maybe correct with the whole troll thing.
If he comes back here, maybe he might want to debate his reasons for disliking religion. If he doesn't, well then he realizes his mistake.

While I agree with his first statement, this thread was probably not the best place for it.

But I agreed with his statement of "just live"
If there were a religion like that.