I think so.

I don't think that they could be considered "supernatural powers" though.

just, gifted, you know?

it's not hard to do, if you put your mind to something, anything can happen.

but it's hard to tell, with so many frauds out there saying that they have those gifts.

Originally Posted by JapaneseCherryBlossom

UniqueXRose, are you wiccan? Sorry if I'm wrong, but I used to have a friend who was, and she believed in all of those kinds of things. I'd like to see the link you have if you don't mind.

Ehh, kind of, lol.

[And you can call me Ruby or Rose ^_^]

I consider myself[more or less] spiritual lol. But I have many friends that are wiccan, like my penpal from then Netherlands.

And of course! ^_^ Here it is:


http://www.metawake.info/joomla/index.php

And please, anyone who visits this site, do NOT message her and critizie her. We don't make fun of you about your beliefs, and we don't say any of youe encounters with anything is fake and a lie. What we go through and see/ experience is all true. So please, be respectful to her.

Rose, I think it's neat that you have your own individual beliefs. You also seem to be a very positive person :) I believe in maybe a few of those things on the website, but I don't have much proof of anything like that. I guess I'm into the more mental aspect like dreams, esp, and psychic abilities.

I do think some people are blessed with a sixth sense of being more in tune with the spirit world.

I do indeed believe that they are. I believe they are more among the lines of psychic powers than among the lines of supernatural though. I am not lying about this, but I believe myself to be someone who has an ability. I have seen the future many times. I cannot prove it and it doesnt work like those movies where someone sees something happen and then they go do something about it. My premonitions turn into deja vu situations. I know what is going to happen once the "clip" from my dreams start. I'll give an example.

I sleep and see my dream but I do not remember it at all.
I see my friend saying something about a bunch of brownies burning in their oven. Then they rush out and save them and afterwards they say "Well that was close!"

When I wake up I would not remember a single detail about it until it starts to happen. Before I get this feeling like something has happened before. Then the "clip" starts and I know what will happen in such a way that I cannot say what will happen bcuz I cannot say it in words. It is like reliving the same event. I can almost quote my friends at the same time as they say something when it happens. It is irritating though bcuz it only lasts for about a minute roughly and it never shows anything important. No tests, no dates with girls, no dodging big rocks falling on me. Only random events in my life that have no meaning. My friend's father says I should stop pushing them back by worrying about whether they do something or not. He doesnt have these visions so he can just be quiet about it. I have not gotten rid of them and they do not get stronger the more I hate them. If you can imagine how it feels when you know the answer to something when no one else does, triple that. That's how it feels to experience the deja vu event.

Lol, well Thanks JapaneseCherryBlossom . Dreams can be a way of spiritual contact too. I'm talking to the owner person from the website I showed you and told her that I had dreams of talking with fairies, and she said that's probably how they contacted me. And it never happened until I tried to contact them first. She was also impressed because the forst time I tried, I felt a tap on my shoulder and heard a faint name being yelled.

And yes, you all can laugh and make fun of me, but I honestly do not care what you think. It's my beliefs and it's what happens to me. I know it's real and you have no way of proving me wrong.

And to Reith, don't puch it away. It's probably just another thing you can't get rid of. Instead of pushing it away, bring it closer. You'll advance in your own spiritual way, and maybe you'll start seeing important things. I kind of know what your going through, and I know what it's like being teased, but just keep on going. If it'll make you feel better, make fun of them back for their beliefs lol. Make them have a taste of their own medicine. Go to http://www.metawake.info/joomla/index.php and e mail Alisa, she is really helpful. Her advice has really helped me. And maybe your visions do mean something very important, but you just haven't seen it yet?

Yes they infact are, but humans cannot have "supernatural abilities" .
Many "Satanists" think that they do, but when it is the demons that have "supernatural abilities".
have you ever seen "ghost busters" , "the othersiders" , anything like that aplies.
Ghosts or spirits do not exist, only demons.
If someone were to actually stay behind for any reason, they would not be able to move objects or effect anything in any way.
you must have some form of physical body to move things/effect people ect.
if someone believes they have "supernatural powers" they are dead wrong for it isnt them that bends the spoon/levitates an item/or controls animals. :|

o.O What do Satanists have to do with anything? The majority of Satanists and the first group to use the term to describe themselves tend to be completely against the notion of all that hocus pocus stuff.

I haven't really met anyone like that, but I sure would. My sister kind of has these deja vus, so it kind of counts for it.

If people haven't done it already, we probably can't.
I don't believe in that stuff.
But who knows what the future may hold.

Originally Posted by Saya5933

Yes they infact are, but humans cannot have "supernatural abilities" .
Many "Satanists" think that they do, but when it is the demons that have "supernatural abilities".
have you ever seen "ghost busters" , "the othersiders" , anything like that aplies.
Ghosts or spirits do not exist, only demons.
If someone were to actually stay behind for any reason, they would not be able to move objects or effect anything in any way.
you must have some form of physical body to move things/effect people ect.
if someone believes they have "supernatural powers" they are dead wrong for it isnt them that bends the spoon/levitates an item/or controls animals. :|

Ooohhh, wow. Really?

Are you one of those overly religious Bible people?

Spirits DO exist, and do NOT call them ghosts because it upsets them cos that isn't what they are, they are Spirits. And Spirits aren't the only thing that's real. Mystical creatures live in a prallel dimension [type thing], there are Animal Totems [spirit guides] and such. I really feel bad for whoever you have for a Spiritual Guide, they have a lot of work to do with you, and for everyone else out there who are skeptics.

Maybe this is why I'm so crany today. Artemis was right, today is a bad day. First they destroy 1/8th of the moon for worhtless reasons, and dealing with so many doubts and skeptics, this is jyst too much stress for me.

I really hope you all open your eyes and actually see things are real.

Oh, and yes, pretty much anything can be possible. Look at Chiss Angel. He does magic, and it is completely real. He traveled through thin air from the top of a building all the way down. It's all real. But, I may just be wasting my time, for unknown reasons to you all.

But really, just give it a try. You'll eventually see.

Trust me.

I doubted too, and after things happened, I had no choice but to believe.

You know, Rose, for someone espousing ideas she can't prove and asking people to believe her at face value, you certainly are aggressive and uppity. I'd say people have been more than tolerant of you until now, but if you start that crap, things will likely change. I don't like her post anymore than you do, but what you posted just makes you sound silly.

Few things, too. They didn't blow up an eighth of the moon. Artemis has obviously been lying to you. The dustplume was only even visible on a thermal camera. And finding out whether or not there's water on our satellite, one of the things necessary to establish a colony, isn't a "worthless" reason to make a tiny new crater on an already beat-up chunk of rock.

Also, Criss Angel is a complete phony. Awhile back, his "biggest stunt ever" was revealed to be a hoax (he was supposed to teleport out of a building about to be demolished, and instead waited until he thought all the cameras had cut out and ran out a back door they'd left unlocked), and instead of apologizing to his viewers and assuring everyone his other stunts hadn't been hoaxes, he tried to sue the people who leaked the footage. So not only is he a fake, but he's also immature.

On the subject of flying.. There's a plastic surgeon who created angel-like wings and attached them to the nervous system of a human. He also designed cat ears and tails of animals. Unfortunatly, the human body is too heavy to be supported by the wings, but how cool would it be to walk around flapping them? Getting dressed would be an issue, I suppose...

And really, anything is possible when you think about it. It may be highly unlikely, but there's a chance it could be done. Everything is energy, and energy can be controlled, so how could telekineses, pyrokineses, or telepathy, astral projection, or anything else NOT exist? (I'm a HUGE believer in astral projection.)

Zolar

Originally Posted by Philomel

You know, Rose, for someone espousing ideas she can't prove and asking people to believe her at face value, you certainly are aggressive and uppity. I'd say people have been more than tolerant of you until now, but if you start that crap, things will likely change. I don't like her post anymore than you do, but what you posted just makes you sound silly.

Few things, too. They didn't blow up an eighth of the moon. Artemis has obviously been lying to you. The dustplume was only even visible on a thermal camera. And finding out whether or not there's water on our satellite, one of the things necessary to establish a colony, isn't a "worthless" reason to make a tiny new crater on an already beat-up chunk of rock.

Also, Criss Angel is a complete phony. Awhile back, his "biggest stunt ever" was revealed to be a hoax (he was supposed to teleport out of a building about to be demolished, and instead waited until he thought all the cameras had cut out and ran out a back door they'd left unlocked), and instead of apologizing to his viewers and assuring everyone his other stunts hadn't been hoaxes, he tried to sue the people who leaked the footage. So not only is he a fake, but he's also immature.

Alright, first, I wasn't asking. Second, I am not being aggressive. You've no idea how I talk when I am aggressive so do NOT assume crap about me. You're just fueling my anger so don't start, alright? Do you really think I care what you think of me? I've been judged a lot in my life, and your judgment has no effect on me. Wanna try something else?

Anyways, they even said it on the news, girly. And I'm not the only one who is upset by this, the Moon has been a sacred 'object' for thousands of years.

I couldn't give a crap less what you say about me. I do not lie about the supernatural because it isn't respectful. Artemis is real wheather you want to believe it or not, and EVERYONE has an animal totem. Ahh, why am I even wasting my time trying to explain things to you guys? [I would say you people, as I always do, but you'll probably judge me for that, too.]. I was just saying my opinion and statements, and I got judged, again.

I haven't seen the new episode, cos I don't really like TV anymore, it's a little boring >.>

But when I see it, maybe I'll change my mind about him.

And don't take me as being rude, cos I'm not trying to be. [Had an extremely bad day], so just chill, alright?

Also, do you know the danger they kind of put us in, doing that? Sure, the explosion was small, but it could've been enough to completely knock the Moon off of it's orbit, and we all would've been screwed, completely. That's another reason why I was upset because their calculations could've been severely worn,g and we all would've suffered because of it.

Anything else you'd like to judge me on, or assume the worst of my words?

[I'm not here to make anyone mad, no intentions of making enemies, or anything bad.]





And to Zolar, that would've hurt severely to get wings attached to the body. Ehhh, that would hurt so much. Kind of reminds me of that dude who made himself kind of into a tiger... >.>

Originally Posted by UniqueXRose

Alright, first, I wasn't asking. Second, I am not being aggressive. You've no idea how I talk when I am aggressive so do NOT assume crap about me. You're just fueling my anger so don't start, alright? Do you really think I care what you think of me? I've been judged a lot in my life, and your judgment has no effect on me. Wanna try something else?

...Judged? You went off on someone for no reason and tried to lecture her on things that you have no evidence for.

Anyways, they even said it on the news, girly. And I'm not the only one who is upset by this, the Moon has been a sacred 'object' for thousands of years.

What news channel do you listen to? It would take a freaking asteroid to blow off an eighth of the moon. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM EARTH. And I'm looking outside right now, at a big ol' beautiful harvest moon, and I don't see a chunk missing. And considering how much mass that is, it would likely seriously affect the tides. And...it hasn't.

I couldn't give a crap less what you say about me. I do not lie about the supernatural because it isn't respectful. Artemis is real wheather you want to believe it or not, and EVERYONE has an animal totem. Ahh, why am I even wasting my time trying to explain things to you guys? [I would say you people, as I always do, but you'll probably judge me for that, too.]. I was just saying my opinion and statements, and I got judged, again.

Oh, get over yourself. You can't prove ANYTHING.

And you're assuming things I didn't say. I fully believe Artemis is real, I simply have no respect for her. She killed her own priestess because the poor girl got raped. That is unforgiveable and that is why I do not worship her and that is likely one of the reasons none of the Hellenics I know worship her.

Also, HI. I'M A WITCH. I BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT. And I still think you're being ridiculous about it.

I haven't seen the new episode, cos I don't really like TV anymore, it's a little boring >.>

But when I see it, maybe I'll change my mind about him.

It isn't new. It was awhile back. It actually made the news, because people had made such a big deal about him and then it turns out that what everyone, all the producers, swore never happened, did.

Also, do you know the danger they kind of put us in, doing that? Sure, the explosion was small, but it could've been enough to completely knock the Moon off of it's orbit, and we all would've been screwed, completely. That's another reason why I was upset because their calculations could've been severely worn,g and we all would've suffered because of it.

...No. No it couldn't have. It would take an explosion that risked completely destroying the moon, which it wasn't, to have done that. Whoever your news source is, they need to be forced out of business.

Anything else you'd like to judge me on, or assume the worst of my words?

[I'm not here to make anyone mad, no intentions of making enemies, or anything bad.]

Then you should try knocking the chip off your shoulder. No one's "judging" you. They're disagreeing with you because they have not experienced what you claim to have. You cannot honestly expect people to just believe the outrageous things you're claiming without any sort of evidence or anything, just your word against their (lack of) experiences.

Hey guys, let's keep this respectful, alright? :) Try walking away for a bit and cooling down before you type up a reply, it seems you guys are taking things personally. and we wouldn't want this to devolve into flaming.

Originally Posted by Philomel

You know, Rose, for someone espousing ideas she can't prove and asking people to believe her at face value, you certainly are aggressive and uppity. I'd say people have been more than tolerant of you until now, but if you start that crap, things will likely change. I don't like her post anymore than you do, but what you posted just makes you sound silly.

Few things, too. They didn't blow up an eighth of the moon. Artemis has obviously been lying to you. The dustplume was only even visible on a thermal camera. And finding out whether or not there's water on our satellite, one of the things necessary to establish a colony, isn't a "worthless" reason to make a tiny new crater on an already beat-up chunk of rock.

Also, Criss Angel is a complete phony. Awhile back, his "biggest stunt ever" was revealed to be a hoax (he was supposed to teleport out of a building about to be demolished, and instead waited until he thought all the cameras had cut out and ran out a back door they'd left unlocked), and instead of apologizing to his viewers and assuring everyone his other stunts hadn't been hoaxes, he tried to sue the people who leaked the footage. So not only is he a fake, but he's also immature.

Calling someone "aggressive and uppity" does not make this situation any better... Maybe she is just passionate about what she believes in. If her post makes her sound silly then what does your post make you sound like??? I'm not going to go there today.;) Whether she is right about it or wrong, you have accused people of being wrong and have not stated "evidence" or "proof" for each of your claims either. You shouldn't attack people for their opinion and try to prove them wrong all the time, especially because neither you or I or anyone else have all the answers of the world. It just seems to me that you are looking for a fight all the time, and I don't think Menewsha should be a big bashing contest. Treat people the way you want to be treated, that's all I can say.:)

Whether Criss Angel is a phony or not, he's got his name out there already. He has convinced many people his stunts are real and has made tons of money off it.

I guess the reason to find water on the moon would be to find signs of life, or to see if we could live there eventually. As far as establishing a new colony on the moon, I don't believe that would happen since it would take too long to actually make it sustainable for life considering how long it took earth to become livable. We may die off before then.:( I think we should spend more time fixing up our own planet.

*Sorry Cherry for butting in, I just read your post. I hope I didn't make things worse.

Originally Posted by UniqueXRose

Alright, first, I wasn't asking. Second, I am not being aggressive. You've no idea how I talk when I am aggressive so do NOT assume crap about me. You're just fueling my anger so don't start, alright? Do you really think I care what you think of me? I've been judged a lot in my life, and your judgment has no effect on me. Wanna try something else?

Anyways, they even said it on the news, girly. And I'm not the only one who is upset by this, the Moon has been a sacred 'object' for thousands of years.

I couldn't give a crap less what you say about me. I do not lie about the supernatural because it isn't respectful. Artemis is real wheather you want to believe it or not, and EVERYONE has an animal totem. Ahh, why am I even wasting my time trying to explain things to you guys? [I would say you people, as I always do, but you'll probably judge me for that, too.]. I was just saying my opinion and statements, and I got judged, again.

I haven't seen the new episode, cos I don't really like TV anymore, it's a little boring >.>

But when I see it, maybe I'll change my mind about him.

And don't take me as being rude, cos I'm not trying to be. [Had an extremely bad day], so just chill, alright?

Also, do you know the danger they kind of put us in, doing that? Sure, the explosion was small, but it could've been enough to completely knock the Moon off of it's orbit, and we all would've been screwed, completely. That's another reason why I was upset because their calculations could've been severely worn,g and we all would've suffered because of it.

Anything else you'd like to judge me on, or assume the worst of my words?

[I'm not here to make anyone mad, no intentions of making enemies, or anything bad.]





And to Zolar, that would've hurt severely to get wings attached to the body. Ehhh, that would hurt so much. Kind of reminds me of that dude who made himself kind of into a tiger... >.>

Actually, everything she said was right on the money. I was about to make my own post about your holier that though attitude, but was going to be very careful with my wording in the hopes that it wouldn't offend you. However, seeings how your STILL being so arrogant and again posted back to her with such crap, I'm not going to be so careful. Philomel, you keep right on going. You're saying everything I would. I'm just not up for much tonight as I'M in a bad mood myself. Oh, what the hell. I'll make a few comments though.

Our "judgments" have no effect on you? Cool, then stop being so defensive then. And don't talk down to someone because you don't like what they say (calling the poster girly). It's only goes to prove how childish you are, both in actions and I'll bet in real life age as well.

You seem to not like being disrespectful, except to other people with whom you share this world, you know, this REAL world, the one we REALLY live in. And I want to see PROOF of this ARTEMIS and animal totem shit you're spouting off. If you can't prove it, then go crawl back in the whole you crawled out of.

Ahh, you finally said said meaningful. That you were only stating your opinion. About time you acknowledged you have no proof and that it's just your own opinions. In other words, you are no more special than anyone else here with your beliefs. Glad you decided to join in.

I guess if you don't want to be taken as rude because YOU say you aren't(and then tried to give such a crappy excuse as you had a bad day), then you'll have to show me the same courtesy-I'm not being rude and I've also had a really horrible day. Join the crowd. Let's commiserate together, shall we?

I'll leave it at that for the time being. With my post and another by Philomel, I hope you start to see just how badly you've made yourself sound. It's not your beliefs that are being judged here, it's YOUR personal attitude and how you are projecting your beliefs.

@ Rose- You're not the only one who's being judged here. Granted, I don't like overly religious statements any more than you do, but your statement, to me, wasn't much different.

I find this subject fascinating and like to thank Blatva for bringing it up for it can be a touchy subject. I for one believe anything is possible and while I wouldn't call these abilities 'supernatural', I do think they're unique. Now, the ability to fly, well . . I've yet to see a human do it.

Reith and Rose, you two have alot of courage in stating you do have these kind of abilities. I don't think I'd be able to take that risk, but I'll take it now. I know I have different traits too. I am consider an empath mostly but I do have other abilities. I am not clairvoyant, although I do sense things. I am able to talk to my spirit guides and can sense energies around people. I am an Indigo too. I don't consider myself about others, no not at all. We're all different in some form or fashion. And while I believe in this kind of stuff, I am very practical too. I love math and puzzles and I do enjoy science.

I do hope a few things settle down in here too.

Originally Posted by Mirielle195

I find this subject fascinating and like to thank Blatva for bringing it up for it can be a touchy subject. I for one believe anything is possible and while I wouldn't call these abilities 'supernatural', I do think they're unique. Now, the ability to fly, well . . I've yet to see a human do it.

Reith and Rose, you two have alot of courage in stating you do have these kind of abilities. I don't think I'd be able to take that risk, but I'll take it now. I know I have different traits too. I am consider an empath mostly but I do have other abilities. I am not clairvoyant, although I do sense things. I am able to talk to my spirit guides and can sense energies around people. I am an Indigo too. I don't consider myself about others, no not at all. We're all different in some form or fashion. And while I believe in this kind of stuff, I am very practical too. I love math and puzzles and I do enjoy science.

I do hope a few things settle down in here too.

I strongly believe in empath abilities. I spent a long time finding myself and started to look at the world from a different perspective. I picked up on my empath ability and I've found it's very useful and has shown me a lot about people. It's strange because I don't tell many people this about me, because I am very practical and logical too most of the time, but emotions are easier to feel and understand now. I never really called it an ability though; I just tell people I can sense emotions easily.:)

This is all very interesting, but I wouldn't exactly call these abilities 'supernatural' since if they're supernatural then obviously humans, as part of the natural world, wouldn't be able to possess them. I believe that certain types of abilities, such as empathy and clairvoyance, are real, but it is doubt for for other ones that are a bit more 'extreme' (flying, setting fires by looking, etc.).

Think what you all want, I'm not backing down, and I know as a fact I'm not being rude about it. Yes, I do feel lik I'm being judged, and I'm not saying anything else on THAT subject.

I didn't 'go off' on anyone. My perspetive of 'rude' and 'polite' are completely different from what you people think because of things so EXCUSE ME for trying. I don't automaticaly be a complete and total.. brat.. towards people I dont know.

So now, I cannot prove to you Artemis is real, because I am still getting to know him, trying to fully see him, trying to get more answers. I don't care if you don't believe or not, I am just saying what is real and what I know is true because I have experienced it.


And I'm only being defensive in what I believe in. You could've sent me a random message saying I was a freak for to particular reason, and I wouldn't have cared. So remind yourself I am not being defisive about myself, just my beliefs.

Everytone fights for what they believe in, so why can't I? I don't think people who believe in Jesus are total idiots because they've got no proof of him, just a book. They can't prove he is real, they only know by their experiences. I'm just doing the same thing here.


I'm not trying to talk down on anyone at all.

And no, it wasn't a crappy excuse, don't assume the worst. What if my mother had died? That could've been what happened, but no. You go on ahead and think that I am just saying that for an excuse for being 'rude'.


And go ahead and think of me as you'd like. Anything else you'd like to say about me?

Ahh, yes. I can't get over myself because I don't have anything to get over [as in, I have no reason to think highly of myself.]

And to Philomel: What?

"I fully believe Artemis is real, I simply have no respect for her. She killed her own priestess because the poor girl got raped. That is unforgiveable and that is why I do not worship her and that is likely one of the reasons none of the Hellenics I know worship her."

You think Aretmis is a girl? He is my ANIMAL spirit guide, lol. Not the Moon Godess [maybe the Godess of Hunt? She's got too many names] or whomever she is. I don't worship any gods or godesses. Annd Hellenics is some type of witch or something? I never knew that story, and I don't really know any stories of any gods or godesses, because that's not what I research..


And I thought you were talking about the newest episode when he was in one of those coffin thingys and that truck was going to hit one of them and he was possibly going to be in it. I haven't seen a whole lot of episodes but enough to believe.


And really, I am sorry for putting mysself off as rude, as stated before, my veiw of it is entirely different for annonymous reasons.

And the whole 'girly' thing, to me, that wasn't being rude at all It's the way I talk to everyone here, so sorry if I offended you. [And consider yourself lucky because I NEVER apologize lol].

So now I have officialy and partially confused myself of my wording, so yeah. There you go... >.>

Oh and please, tell me how I was being aggressive, I'd like to know. [Don't take that in a bitchy way either, k?]

Originally Posted by JapaneseCherryBlossom

Calling someone "aggressive and uppity" does not make this situation any better... Maybe she is just passionate about what she believes in. If her post makes her sound silly then what does your post make you sound like??? I'm not going to go there today.;) Whether she is right about it or wrong, you have accused people of being wrong and have not stated "evidence" or "proof" for each of your claims either. You shouldn't attack people for their opinion and try to prove them wrong all the time, especially because neither you or I or anyone else have all the answers of the world. It just seems to me that you are looking for a fight all the time, and I don't think Menewsha should be a big bashing contest. Treat people the way you want to be treated, that's all I can say.:)

And I would expect to have people challenge me, especially when I lie about reality (An eighth of the moon? WTF. No news channel would say such garbage.). This all started because she jumped down someone's throat for their opinion and stated her own opinion as fact. And she's excused from all that, yet I'm not excused from challenging her, refraining from making things personal like she did, not telling her her opinion is wrong like she has...well, everyone, and getting a bit offended at her referring to me as a child (although, I'd almost thank her for the "girly" comment, since I just had a birthday and was feeling rather old)?

I'm not attacking anyone. She attacked one person, I tried to tell her that such was uncalled for since, even though their opinion might offend you, it's still just their opinon and there's no reason to go all psycho on them. She got mad, accused me of things I haven't said and she knows nothing about, and then tried to turn it around like someone disagreeing with her was "judging her". Essentially, she took things personally that weren't meant personally and weren't even said to her at all. That is on her, not me. This is a debating forum, not a babysitting forum.

And there's a real difference between me saying I believe my opinion to be right and her saying "ARTEMIS AND ANIMAL TOTEMS ARE REAL WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT." She is stating something as objective fact, and not only not attempting to provide evidence for it, but talking down to anyone who doesn't believe her like they're stupid. I really doubt she even knows what "animal totems" are, and since she only seems to honour Artemis and likely hasn't taken a vow of eternal virginity and shaved her head and gone off to live in a temple somewhere, she probably doesn't know much about the Hellenic pantheon or mythos or religious practices, either.

Whether Criss Angel is a phony or not, he's got his name out there already. He has convinced many people his stunts are real and has made tons of money off it.

And his ability to entertain is not in question. I used to love Criss Angel's show, and still would if he'd only not acted like such a brat when he got found out. But she used him as proof "magic" is real. Since he's not using magic at all, I think him being a fake is fairly relevant to the discussion.

I guess the reason to find water on the moon would be to find signs of life, or to see if we could live there eventually. As far as establishing a new colony on the moon, I don't believe that would happen since it would take too long to actually make it sustainable for life considering how long it took earth to become livable. We may die off before then.:( I think we should spend more time fixing up our own planet.

They could easily get around not having an atmosphere (just live in buildings with a heating system and air supply), they could even grow food (underground farms, for instance). But as much water as they'd need, it would be very impractical to not have a source on the moon itself. And considering how small the moon is, I don't think they'd try to stick every human on the planet on it, perhaps just scientists, maybe make it a new takeoff spot for shuttles. Every little bit of distance and thus fuel they can save will add to the distance they can travel.

I agree that there are better things they could spend their money on, but they certainly didn't do the moon bombing for a "worthless reason" like she said. Of course, I didn't ask her why they should keep from doing a science experiment based solely on the beliefs of a single person who does not, in fact, own the moon, but whatever.

Infinity: Thank you. I sort of gave up trying to show her that she wasn't being judged at all, but with any luck you'll get through to her.

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Rose: Well, you should maybe explain yourself better when you name your "guide" a name originating with a goddess, and tie that to you thinking the moon, something Artemis the goddess is associated with, is "sacred". And Hellenics are people who worship the Greek gods as the Greeks did (or as closely as possible in today's world). I guess they could be witches, but I haven't met any who are, even worshippers of Hekate.

And you were being "aggressive" by tearing into someone who hadn't said anything to you personally, just stated their opinion. If they are Christian, they likely believe that anything not given to you by God is given to you by Satan (which has its own theological problems, but meh). It's a common belief, and tied with several parts of the Bible denouncing "future-seers", it's an understandable one. And since it's such an iffy subject, with no real evidence that it even exists, let alone who it's associated with, there's no reason to get upset that they believe such. I mean, I have Christian associates who still believe I'm the devil's concubine, but I don't even freak out over that. It's a belief, a belief about the nature of a phenomenon that they're already using a lot of faith to believe even happens at all.

Originally Posted by Philomel

And I would expect to have people challenge me, especially when I lie about reality (An eighth of the moon? WTF. No news channel would say such garbage.). This all started because she jumped down someone's throat for their opinion and stated her own opinion as fact. And she's excused from all that, yet I'm not excused from challenging her, refraining from making things personal like she did, not telling her her opinion is wrong like she has...well, everyone, and getting a bit offended at her referring to me as a child (although, I'd almost thank her for the "girly" comment, since I just had a birthday and was feeling rather old)?

I'm not attacking anyone. She attacked one person, I tried to tell her that such was uncalled for since, even though their opinion might offend you, it's still just their opinon and there's no reason to go all psycho on them. She got mad, accused me of things I haven't said and she knows nothing about, and then tried to turn it around like someone disagreeing with her was "judging her". Essentially, she took things personally that weren't meant personally and weren't even said to her at all. That is on her, not me. This is a debating forum, not a babysitting forum.

And there's a real difference between me saying I believe my opinion to be right and her saying "ARTEMIS AND ANIMAL TOTEMS ARE REAL WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT." She is stating something as objective fact, and not only not attempting to provide evidence for it, but talking down to anyone who doesn't believe her like they're stupid. I really doubt she even knows what "animal totems" are, and since she only seems to honour Artemis and likely hasn't taken a vow of eternal virginity and shaved her head and gone off to live in a temple somewhere, she probably doesn't know much about the Hellenic pantheon or mythos or religious practices, either.


And his ability to entertain is not in question. I used to love Criss Angel's show, and still would if he'd only not acted like such a brat when he got found out. But she used him as proof "magic" is real. Since he's not using magic at all, I think him being a fake is fairly relevant to the discussion.


They could easily get around not having an atmosphere (just live in buildings with a heating system and air supply), they could even grow food (underground farms, for instance). But as much water as they'd need, it would be very impractical to not have a source on the moon itself. And considering how small the moon is, I don't think they'd try to stick every human on the planet on it, perhaps just scientists, maybe make it a new takeoff spot for shuttles. Every little bit of distance and thus fuel they can save will add to the distance they can travel.

I agree that there are better things they could spend their money on, but they certainly didn't do the moon bombing for a "worthless reason" like she said. Of course, I didn't ask her why they should keep from doing a science experiment based solely on the beliefs of a single person who does not, in fact, own the moon, but whatever.

Infinity: Thank you. I sort of gave up trying to show her that she wasn't being judged at all, but with any luck you'll get through to her.

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Rose: Well, you should maybe explain yourself better when you name your "guide" a name originating with a goddess, and tie that to you thinking the moon, something Artemis the goddess is associated with, is "sacred". And Hellenics are people who worship the Greek gods as the Greeks did (or as closely as possible in today's world). I guess they could be witches, but I haven't met any who are, even worshippers of Hekate.

And you were being "aggressive" by tearing into someone who hadn't said anything to you personally, just stated their opinion. If they are Christian, they likely believe that anything not given to you by God is given to you by Satan (which has its own theological problems, but meh). It's a common belief, and tied with several parts of the Bible denouncing "future-seers", it's an understandable one. And since it's such an iffy subject, with no real evidence that it even exists, let alone who it's associated with, there's no reason to get upset that they believe such. I mean, I have Christian associates who still believe I'm the devil's concubine, but I don't even freak out over that. It's a belief, a belief about the nature of a phenomenon that they're already using a lot of faith to believe even happens at all.

About the whole girly thing, yeah, sorry, didn't know people take it that offensivly?

Anyways, uhhmm, yeah maybe I should've explaned it better. Nowthat I know that about Artemis, the moon godess, I kind of don't like her now lol. But when I asked aloud what I should name him [I was drawing him cos Alisa, yes she's real lol, told me to cos it may help] and he seemed to be happy about it, so I just went with that. The only time I ever heard the name Artemis was off os Sailor Moon haha. And yeah, people call me the demon child at school too >.> I have no idea why though, they just don't like me much haha, but it's understandable.

But they call you that just because of your beliefs?


And I wasn't trying to be mean, when I put things in all caps, doesn't mean I'm being aggressive, I was just putting it that way, cos I don't know haha. But I didn't try to come off as a bitch or anything. Trust me..

And the whole moon thing, the CNN news thingy said it, and it showed the moon shaking to. All my dad said was they were going to blow it up and I was pretty upset because of previous stated reasons. I've always been obsessed with the Moon since I was little, that's why I was upset and blah.


Neee, maybe I should study the Greeks gods and godesses more lol. No idea who you're talking about.

Plus, I don't think us living on the Moon will ever really work. I kind of hope it won't... >.>