Originally Posted by Philomel

And I would expect to have people challenge me, especially when I lie about reality (An eighth of the moon? WTF. No news channel would say such garbage.). This all started because she jumped down someone's throat for their opinion and stated her own opinion as fact. And she's excused from all that, yet I'm not excused from challenging her, refraining from making things personal like she did, not telling her her opinion is wrong like she has...well, everyone, and getting a bit offended at her referring to me as a child (although, I'd almost thank her for the "girly" comment, since I just had a birthday and was feeling rather old)?

I'm not attacking anyone. She attacked one person, I tried to tell her that such was uncalled for since, even though their opinion might offend you, it's still just their opinon and there's no reason to go all psycho on them. She got mad, accused me of things I haven't said and she knows nothing about, and then tried to turn it around like someone disagreeing with her was "judging her". Essentially, she took things personally that weren't meant personally and weren't even said to her at all. That is on her, not me. This is a debating forum, not a babysitting forum.

And there's a real difference between me saying I believe my opinion to be right and her saying "ARTEMIS AND ANIMAL TOTEMS ARE REAL WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT." She is stating something as objective fact, and not only not attempting to provide evidence for it, but talking down to anyone who doesn't believe her like they're stupid. I really doubt she even knows what "animal totems" are, and since she only seems to honour Artemis and likely hasn't taken a vow of eternal virginity and shaved her head and gone off to live in a temple somewhere, she probably doesn't know much about the Hellenic pantheon or mythos or religious practices, either.


And his ability to entertain is not in question. I used to love Criss Angel's show, and still would if he'd only not acted like such a brat when he got found out. But she used him as proof "magic" is real. Since he's not using magic at all, I think him being a fake is fairly relevant to the discussion.


They could easily get around not having an atmosphere (just live in buildings with a heating system and air supply), they could even grow food (underground farms, for instance). But as much water as they'd need, it would be very impractical to not have a source on the moon itself. And considering how small the moon is, I don't think they'd try to stick every human on the planet on it, perhaps just scientists, maybe make it a new takeoff spot for shuttles. Every little bit of distance and thus fuel they can save will add to the distance they can travel.

Ok here's the point. Even if she got her facts wrong and got upset at someone's opinion, you treated her the same way she treated the other person talking about "satanists." It did just add fuel to the fire instead of informing someone about their supposed mistake. You also posted about the "satanists" thing, and it could've come off rude as well. The way you tried to tell Rose about the way she said things did not make things better, because you riled her up even more, thus causing an argument between both of you. I don't think you had enough tact in this situation, but that's just what I think since I have seen you before, and maybe it's just your personality. I remember exclusively apologizing to you in the past, and you never took it, so I got snippy right back because most people defend themselves when someone talks to them like that. I'm not blaming you for your strong opinion, but I am seeing that you are probably a person that will never admit they are wrong in most situations. I know you have both said rude things to each other now that this has got out of hand, so I understand both sides. And I'm not sure how she called you childish, but the "this is a debating forum not a babysitting forum" line was a little uncalled for too. There are many people on Menewsha that are completely different ages, maturity, ethnicity, etc. that have different views on things so I think the point is not to prove someone right or wrong in a debate, but to share opinions instead of accusing. This is not an excuse for anything, but it is just being realistic about being on a social website where people can post almost anything.

Also, I am generally a respectful and polite person, but when someone comes at me, I defend myself completely and honestly. Of course since this is not my usual personality people can take that as being a b****. So I realize why both sides were going ape sh** because both people are trying to defend and make their point no matter what their personality is.

About the artemis thing, I'm not sure if you read her statement yet, but she wasn't referring to the God/Goddess or whatever it is. I guess it's just her animal spirit guide so I dunno....I like it when you reply to people about something you think is the truth, but how do I really know if it is true or not??? Just because you provide some information that sounds right, it may be pretty convincing to me, but how is there proof also? I could just go to Google and post random things too lol. But anyway, I would really like to know where you get the facts because you seem to be informative on many different subjects. (I am being serious here, not mocking or anything)

I guess with the Criss Angel thing, I never took him seriously because he called himself an "illusionist" which basically says that he creates illusions of things that seem impossible. I watched the show a few times, but I didn't really question whether he was a hoax or not, but maybe I will look up the info that claims he is just to see what he says haha.

Interesting concept with the moon....hmm makes me think.

Kindly stop acting like you're an unbiased third party, Blossom. You said nothing to her, when she was the one to first post something rude and unnecessary, you've excused every insult and talking-down-to she's said, you've explained away things she's said that disagree with reality, and you've claimed I've done and said things that I haven't. I realize you don't like me, but if you're going to antagonize me in every thread I post in, tell me now so I can stop bothering. And as to the "babysitting" thing, it's quite obvious I wasn't calling her a baby. In context, I think I made it clear that I was referring to not coddling her and letting her just vent at people and say things that aren't true or don't make sense without any sort of challenge at all. That is not what I'm here for, and that's not what I'm going to do. I respect you people enough to expect you to be able to deal with challenges to your opinions and my pointing out inconsistencies. If you aren't, perhaps the "Debates" forum should be renamed something more fitting, as just agreeing with someone who claims outlandish things a debate does not make.

Rose: No, they call me that because that's how Christians once thought witches got their power, and some still do, at least metaphorically. It sounds offensive, but I have to realize that it's not personal. They believe witchcraft is of the devil, and they have no reason at all to think otherwise. Likewise, someone saying that this power you claim to have doesn't exist and you're lying or simply mistaken (we humans can convince ourselves of some ridiculous things), or does exist but comes from a different source than you think, isn't meant to be personal or offensive. You have to realize that, from an objective point of view, either explanation is equally viable, since we don't even know if it actually happens.

Please link me to something on CNN saying that. I watch CNN, and I saw the computer animation of what they thought would happen, and I saw the footage of it actually happening. The moon didn't "shake", there wasn't even a visible change. The dust plume they thought would happen didn't (which sucked, because I woke up early after only two hours of sleep to watch it), and while there was a tiny crater, it isn't noticeable even close up unless you know the moon's surface well enough to notice a pinprick where there wasn't one before. I'm just having a very hard time believing CNN would do that and that I somehow missed it completely. From now on though, please think before you say things like that :P Tonight, look up at the moon. Mentally divide it into eight equal parts. Then, mentally, take one part away. That's how much of the moon would be missing if they did what you thought. Plus, it's not like it would "vaporize" or anything, so we'd likely have been hit by a massive chunk of rock by now if they'd really blasted off a huge section of it.

Originally Posted by Philomel

Kindly stop acting like you're an unbiased third party, Blossom. You said nothing to her, when she was the one to first post something rude and unnecessary, you've excused every insult and talking-down-to she's said, you've explained away things she's said that disagree with reality, and you've claimed I've done and said things that I haven't. I realize you don't like me, but if you're going to antagonize me in every thread I post in, tell me now so I can stop bothering. And as to the "babysitting" thing, it's quite obvious I wasn't calling her a baby. In context, I think I made it clear that I was referring to not coddling her and letting her just vent at people and say things that aren't true or don't make sense without any sort of challenge at all. That is not what I'm here for, and that's not what I'm going to do. I respect you people enough to expect you to be able to deal with challenges to your opinions and my pointing out inconsistencies. If you aren't, perhaps the "Debates" forum should be renamed something more fitting, as just agreeing with someone who claims outlandish things a debate does not make.

Rose: No, they call me that because that's how Christians once thought witches got their power, and some still do, at least metaphorically. It sounds offensive, but I have to realize that it's not personal. They believe witchcraft is of the devil, and they have no reason at all to think otherwise. Likewise, someone saying that this power you claim to have doesn't exist and you're lying or simply mistaken (we humans can convince ourselves of some ridiculous things), or does exist but comes from a different source than you think, isn't meant to be personal or offensive. You have to realize that, from an objective point of view, either explanation is equally viable, since we don't even know if it actually happens.

Please link me to something on CNN saying that. I watch CNN, and I saw the computer animation of what they thought would happen, and I saw the footage of it actually happening. The moon didn't "shake", there wasn't even a visible change. The dust plume they thought would happen didn't (which sucked, because I woke up early after only two hours of sleep to watch it), and while there was a tiny crater, it isn't noticeable even close up unless you know the moon's surface well enough to notice a pinprick where there wasn't one before. I'm just having a very hard time believing CNN would do that and that I somehow missed it completely. From now on though, please think before you say things like that :P Tonight, look up at the moon. Mentally divide it into eight equal parts. Then, mentally, take one part away. That's how much of the moon would be missing if they did what you thought. Plus, it's not like it would "vaporize" or anything, so we'd likely have been hit by a massive chunk of rock by now if they'd really blasted off a huge section of it.

Neee, my computer doesn't load CNN lol [I have dial-up >.>], but my dad woke me up. Idk if there are more than one CNN channels because the one he watches basically talks about politics but for some reason it had that on it *shrug*

I would, but my math and measuring isn't so well, but I hadn't seen the Moon afterwards so I thought they were right about an eigth being gone, cos that's what they said and they LAUGHED abut it. Who would laugh about that, lol? Would they laugh if we blew up an eight of our planet? Haha, sometimes..

Anyways, I never really read that in the Bible [I was in fostercare for 3 years and they are bible humpers lol], but I guess I didn't pay enough attention to it to notice..

Yeah, CNN's site is a real pain. I have dial-up as well, so I know your frustration. Mayhaps they were just being silly, and you misinterpreted it as them stating fact? That they were laughing about it suggests this is the case.

And yeah, it basically says that seeing into the future is a power only God has, so those who say they have it are lying. Combine that with modern Christians who believe there's a devil (despite the Bible saying no such thing) out to get us and the Bible also making several warnings about "false prophets" who will find a way to make people believe they are performing miracles, and you can see why many Christians who aren't Sylvia Brown don't think highly of those who claim to be psychics or mediums or whathaveyou. In their minds, they're either fakes, or they're agents of Satan.

Originally Posted by Philomel

Yeah, CNN's site is a real pain. I have dial-up as well, so I know your frustration. Mayhaps they were just being silly, and you misinterpreted it as them stating fact? That they were laughing about it suggests this is the case.

And yeah, it basically says that seeing into the future is a power only God has, so those who say they have it are lying. Combine that with modern Christians who believe there's a devil (despite the Bible saying no such thing) out to get us and the Bible also making several warnings about "false prophets" who will find a way to make people believe they are performing miracles, and you can see why many Christians who aren't Sylvia Brown don't think highly of those who claim to be psychics or mediums or whathaveyou. In their minds, they're either fakes, or they're agents of Satan.

Lol, I hate dial-up.

Ehhh, that's why religions bother me. That's why I don't praise a god or godess, it's all too much work. Geeze, and what the Mayans did was totally insane. They had like 8 levels under ground and sacrificed people. Well, first it was gufts like pots, then as it got farther down it got worse. And they sacrificed infants pobviously becasue of their purity]. I've always wanted to go see the Mayan ruins and what not, but that's just freak me out.

i think so. i mean you just have to learn to use parts of your brain that most humans never use and dont know how to use. its definitely possible. the human mind is way more powerful than we think.

[QUOTE=Philomel;1765201128]Kindly stop acting like you're an unbiased third party, Blossom. You said nothing to her, when she was the one to first post something rude and unnecessary, you've excused every insult and talking-down-to she's said, you've explained away things she's said that disagree with reality, and you've claimed I've done and said things that I haven't. I realize you don't like me, but if you're going to antagonize me in every thread I post in, tell me now so I can stop bothering. And as to the "babysitting" thing, it's quite obvious I wasn't calling her a baby. In context, I think I made it clear that I was referring to not coddling her and letting her just vent at people and say things that aren't true or don't make sense without any sort of challenge at all. That is not what I'm here for, and that's not what I'm going to do. I respect you people enough to expect you to be able to deal with challenges to your opinions and my pointing out inconsistencies. If you aren't, perhaps the "Debates" forum should be renamed something more fitting, as just agreeing with someone who claims outlandish things a debate does not make.
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I'm going to act as kindly as you have treated me. If her opinion didn't make sense, why didn't you just ask her about it instead of trying to prove her wrong? Wouldn't that be the normal thing a person would do? I guess not... And the first thing that Rose posted unnecessary was not even towards you, so I'm not sure why you, again as I posted earlier, had to add fuel to the fire. I didn't "excuse" anything for anyone, I said you were both wrong at times, so get over that if you will. You are right I'm not unbiased, in fact I've already said my statements about that, and I'm not repeating them. And I have talked to Rose, in a private message about what she said instead of making a scene about it.

And you still never answered me about where you get all of this knowledgable information, so I guess I will never know where the proof is for all your posts in debates. I will just assume you pull them out of nowhere, since you always ask everyone for their supposed "proof" of their "opinion" or "belief."

You want "reality?" The reality is, you will never admit you were wrong when I questioned you at least ONCE in this entire event, and if you would've, I would've called you "real" and have respected you a little more. Or at least you could've at the very least, not consider every word you say to be the truth. Maybe you just crave attention from people, I'm not really sure. And I didn't claim anything false about what you said because I read every single line of your text and quoted everything. Isn't this debate supposed to be about "Are supernatural abilities real?" not "arguing about everything until you push someone to the limit?" because I'm at my limit with this entire thing, and you have pushed me too freaking far. If you can't take other's criticism, then don't dish it out.. I don't dislike you, I just think you are just too stubborn to actually listen to other people as if they were actual human beings. I was being honest as hell this whole time without trying to be rude, and now I'm done. Because this light hearted and interesting thread turned into mostly a stupid argument over something that has nothing to do with the actual topic itself. I'm not going to even look at this topic anymore because NOTHING is going to change, so I wouldn't even bother posting back. Well I guess you could vent about me if it makes you feel better.

Haha...criticism? You didn't even read what I wrote. Never fucking once did I insult her opinion or tell her it was wrong. Not. Once. That is not what this is about at all. I didn't ask for "proof" of her opinion, either. I simply said she couldn't prove it so she couldn't act like something that has no evidence for it at all is the objective truth and everyone should believe in it and no one's opinion but hers should even be considered when it comes to what the source of it is. And if you really, really want to talk about arguments unrelated to the discussion, ask her why she brought up Criss Angel's "magic" use in a thread about supernatural abilities.

I can accept criticism. What you've "dished out" is whining. It is blatant revenge for something I somehow "did" to you in another thread. You're not all high and mighty. And I won't just say I'm wrong when I'm not, and you're apparently the only person who thinks I am, just to make you feel better when you can't even be bothered read my damn posts before you spout about the same crap that she was claiming before I and Infinity showed her that's not what we were doing. You're way behind in all of this.

And I can't answer your question, by the way, because it's a nonsensical question. It's not like there's some database of facts somewhere. Things come from different sources. If you could make your question make sense by asking where specific information comes from, I could answer.

And where is a mod in all of this? I was pretty sure that carrying over vendettas from other threads was against the rules. I mean, she's even admitted that she's just following me around, trolling my posts, completely derailing threads in the process. You people seem to jump every time I use a curseword, but you're not going to do anything about her?

I think it's best we drop all this anger. We all have our opinions and those opinions can and often are misinterpreted.

Supernatural abilities are real, but nothing like flying or x-ray vision, ect. It's more along the lines of psychic abilities really.

And people need to take a break and calm down. People aren't here to yell or be yelled at. Just to discuss. And people do misread and/or don't fully understand what some people write. Just calm yourselves and take a break from the thread if you need to and come back a bit later.

I believe so, I mean isn't it a fact that we dont use like 70% of our brains? or something like that, I can't remember XP
but............lets just say i'm not gonna jump into a pool of acid anytime soon

(pfft......good idea to fool a friend or some people, if you get glow in the dark green paint or something and add some water and put it on your sidewalk....maybe at halloween....tell everybody it's radioactive acid! XDD)

No, we use 100%. That's already been covered a couple pages back.

No. we actually don't use most of our brains. we only use about 10-20 percent of our brains full capacity.

Yes, actually, we do.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

I posted this earlier in the thread. The only reason anyone believes that 10% thing is because a couple of commercials supported the idea as a marketing ploy. It does not come from anything scientific whatsoever. It's only a five page thread. Please read before posting :|

Wow, almost had a meltdown here...

"Supernatural" has really become a vague term in the last few decades, especially with all the new scientific discoveries being made. And yes, before I go further, I am a witch, and I do claim direct contact with forces beyond the perceptions of most humans, and no, I do not have to explain nor prove myself to you skeptics and critics because that would really do no good.

WHen you break down 'magic' and 'supernatural powers' in a rational and open-minded way, you see them for what they really are: Merely forces and energies that we simply have not yet fully harnessed nor scientifically named. Before the discovery of electricity, everyone thought that lightning was the wrath of the gods. But even with the discovery of what it truly was, did that prove that theory wrong? Or did that discovery merely tell us how the gods did it?

On a further note, many of the so called supernatural beings that we've seen in movies, and in books, were merely superstitous and fearful explanations for perfectly normal and in recent times explainable phenomenom. Because they did not understand it, they feared it, and that is a curse that we have not yet freed ourselves from.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that try and see stuff like this through an open mind, because how much of it can you areally prove or disprove?

Yeah they are capable.

A man was born without eyes, and yet he was able to paint with all the correct colors and shapes.

A girl had her body stop aging at 6 months old, she is 16 years old and trapped in a 6 month old body. Scientists say her genetic code can hold the key to the "fountain of youth".

A woman can walk into a room and telepathically shut off all eletricity.

A male can survive in sub-zero temperatures for about 20 minutes, whereas a normal person would die from hypothermia within 5 minutes.

A male can send small jolts of electricity from his fingertips.

A woman can smell sounds. There are other stories of people seeing sound as color, or tasting colors, or even "hearing" words that aren't spoken yet.

Technically, the human brain is capable of supernatural powers. People are capable of telepathy if they tried hard enough, they are capable of solving complex problems faster than a super computer, and are capable of having a sixth, sometimes, a seventh sense.

A 7th sense? Now that's a new one. What do you think it is?

Originally Posted by Mirielle195

A 7th sense? Now that's a new one. What do you think it is?

It's kind of ridiculous in my opinion but scientists are saying that the 7th sense is a missing limb sense. If you've ever lost your arm or leg from war or shark attacks, etc. Sometimes you still feel that it's THERE, doing the actions you intend it to.

Kind of like a "ghost limb". I don't really think that's considered a 7th sense, but apparantly it is.

Leenalia, you're actually on the right track.

There is indeed a "7th sense," called proprioception. Without that sense, you can't tell where parts of your body are without actually seeing them (i.e., you'd have to look at your feet to actually walk, if you were in a dark room you wouldn't be able to hold yourself up, etc.). People who lack proprioception can usually still use all of the rest of their "feeling" senses. They can feel temperature, texture, and even pain. They just can't keep track of where their limbs are when they're outside the field of vision. I watched a video on a man who lost proprioception, but I can't find it again (I know it's done by the same people who did "The Boy Whose Skin Fell Off"). Proprioception is indeed related to phantom limb syndrome.

However, there are more than just 5 (or 7) senses. They are hearing, taste, smell, touch, sight, balance/acceleration/orientation, temperature, proprioception, and pain. That's a total of 9.

What about the other senses that some people regard as the "third eye" or the "mind's eye"? Is that considered a sense in itself?

Are you talking about clairvoyance? Because that doesn't really exist in the common sense of it, but people do get auras before migraines, periods, and other bodily cycles. Clairvoyance about external events has generally been dismissed as nonsense.

Ah I see, well that's it for the senses =) I looked it up and humans don't get anymore senses other than the 10 they have, like Keyori said.

The 3rd eye or clairvoyance is connected to the 6th sense, intuition. It can do a hell of lot more than just 'seeing'. That's what I believe at least.

i pitched in baseball and I know that when a ball was hit back at me in a line drive it seemed as if everything slowed down and I had all the time in the world to move. My brain made it so that i could make the choice of what to do. I think that if we could figure out how to do this all the time, it would be possible to do a lot of things that we can't do now.

Originally Posted by Leenalia

What about the other senses that some people regard as the "third eye" or the "mind's eye"? Is that considered a sense in itself?

Lol, then wouldn't that technically be chakra? Haha.. I dunno, but a 7th sense does sound a little out of the question haha