It's interesting how a lot of people are bringing up physical attractiveness as a way to get away with doing certain things. I guess this just once again shows me that I really could give a damn how someone looks...

And thank-you ahill787 for addressing my original question about the annoyance issue. Social roles really do make up a vast majority of people's opinions.

Funny thing, the other day in my anthropology class this was the exact topic we started discussing xD
One of our TAs had made a video project about walking and it was really funny on how the opposite sex thought the other walked. And of course, everyone started howling in laughter when we saw the guys shaking their hips side to side or practicing their cat walk.

i know this was already said earlier in the thread, but I agree that men and women can probably get out of the same amount of things, it just doesnt mean they get away with the SAME things

Actually, when it comes to crime Girls are more likely not to get caught. Mainly because men are stupid and let their ego get in the way. Girls are more cautious with their plans. That's how come most serial killers are male, the female ones do not get caught.

Originally Posted by deweyduquesne

i know this was already said earlier in the thread, but I agree that men and women can probably get out of the same amount of things, it just doesnt mean they get away with the SAME things

After looking over this topic, I would pretty much agree. Especially since I've gotten responses from both genders... now I'm just waiting for a guy to say that men do get away with more since we've had girls say they do and both girls and guys to say that girls get away with more.

Either way, I think at least some people got a new perspective on the situation. I believe I have.

I don't think guys can get away with more things.
If anything, I think girls can get away with more things only because the gender stereotypes girls as being 'innocent'.

The only thing I can really see a guy pulling off is being a man whore. Guys are usually seen as 'the man' when they sleep around a lot.
Girls however are viewed as sluts - even if they've only slept with one person.

Originally Posted by Ponta

After looking over this topic, I would pretty much agree. Especially since I've gotten responses from both genders... now I'm just waiting for a guy to say that men do get away with more since we've had girls say they do and both girls and guys to say that girls get away with more.

Either way, I think at least some people got a new perspective on the situation. I believe I have.

the common belief would probably be that while men and women each get away with the same amount of things, men put more importance on the things women get away with than the things they can. for instance, yea, being able to hookup with multiple ppl and not have a bad rep is fine for men, but they would much rather get out of the majority of their speeding tickets. i know i would lol. I have a gf, its the speeding tickets I need to worry about lol

I think slowly, as time progresses, that gap between the sexes is getting smaller and smaller. Women, are still statistically paid less than men doing the same job role, but on the other hand they have come a long, long way. We now have the ability to vote, work, and education. - three of the biggest things.

It's interesting that you brought this up as I saw on the Today show that there is a role reversal going on - while more and more men get laid off, it's the wife who suddenly becomes the bread winner, and the husband who is the stay at home in the relationship. Apparently men are struggling with the role reversal as they typically define themselves by their ability to provide financially. I'm wondering if the trend continues, if it'll help further the gap.

As far as sex goes, it still is considered to be less faux pas for a man to get around than a woman, but if you look at popular culture ("Sex in the City" for example) it's slowly becoming more acceptable for a woman to play the field too. I know that growing up, parents tend to be more protective of their daughter. Hubby and I had a conversation about this and I think it all boils down to getting pregnant. It's harder to deal with for the daughter's parents as they're all the sudden expected to support two mouths instead of one. (Hence why if you ask for my advice I say don't have sex until you're able to fully support yourself financially...Without your parents help...)

I also don't fully agree with all women getting away with stuff because of looks. I will tell you right now that I have always been a fuller figured woman and I have not once gotten to use the 'looks' card, but I will be honest and say if I did I sure as hell would use it to my advantage. (As bad as that sounds...you do learn you have to take what you're given and make it work out the best you can though...) Women are generally expected to wear some very uncomfortable things - makeup, bras, hose...the list goes on - and spend more time grooming themselves. That doesn't mean we all do. I try to put in some effort, but at the same time I'm just as guilty going out makeup-less to the grocery store and I won't put it on unless I have something I wish to look professional. I also very rarely wear a dress, or a skirt for that matter. I guess you could say men cannot get away with it unless they're a drag queen, or David Beckham (His sarong is what I'm thinking about...only he could of pulled that one off!).

As far as demeanor? I dunno on this one...I would think it depends on the person at hand, and not as much as their sex as one would think. There's a handful of successful female comedians.

I think the biggest thing that irks me though is as far as relationships go - men typically look for more attractive females. I've seen some pretty average/ugly looking men score some really attractive eye candy because of their success. Women are more out to find someone who can support them, then they are over looks so a guy with a secure job which pays well would more than likely win over a poor model-quality male. (I guess why I'm bitter is that I kind of hit with the ugly stick in the family - mainly with weight. My whole family is/was skinny and I was the fat one. My aunt on my dad's side also got the 'fat gene'...so it is lurking. ~_~)

It depends on what you're talking about. I mean, a girl can easily get out of trouble by turning on the crocodile tears or go the other way with sex appeal.

On the other hand, I agree that boys are less likely to get in trouble in the first place. There is that "boys will be boys" mentality that I hate that encourages boys to be rowdy and disruptive and refuses to punish them for it.

So, yeah, I think boys are actually encouraged to behave that way while girls are taught to behave properly. I know I've seen lots of little girls getting yelled at for fighting or running around or generally being bad, but when little boys do it, their mothers roll their eyes and say, "Boys will be boys." *gag*

Originally Posted by Izumi

I think slowly, as time progresses, that gap between the sexes is getting smaller and smaller. Women, are still statistically paid less than men doing the same job role, but on the other hand they have come a long, long way. We now have the ability to vote, work, and education. - three of the biggest things.

It's interesting that you brought this up as I saw on the Today show that there is a role reversal going on - while more and more men get laid off, it's the wife who suddenly becomes the bread winner, and the husband who is the stay at home in the relationship. Apparently men are struggling with the role reversal as they typically define themselves by their ability to provide financially. I'm wondering if the trend continues, if it'll help further the gap.

As far as sex goes, it still is considered to be less faux pas for a man to get around than a woman, but if you look at popular culture ("Sex in the City" for example) it's slowly becoming more acceptable for a woman to play the field too. I know that growing up, parents tend to be more protective of their daughter. Hubby and I had a conversation about this and I think it all boils down to getting pregnant. It's harder to deal with for the daughter's parents as they're all the sudden expected to support two mouths instead of one. (Hence why if you ask for my advice I say don't have sex until you're able to fully support yourself financially...Without your parents help...)

I also don't fully agree with all women getting away with stuff because of looks. I will tell you right now that I have always been a fuller figured woman and I have not once gotten to use the 'looks' card, but I will be honest and say if I did I sure as hell would use it to my advantage. (As bad as that sounds...you do learn you have to take what you're given and make it work out the best you can though...) Women are generally expected to wear some very uncomfortable things - makeup, bras, hose...the list goes on - and spend more time grooming themselves. That doesn't mean we all do. I try to put in some effort, but at the same time I'm just as guilty going out makeup-less to the grocery store and I won't put it on unless I have something I wish to look professional. I also very rarely wear a dress, or a skirt for that matter. I guess you could say men cannot get away with it unless they're a drag queen, or David Beckham (His sarong is what I'm thinking about...only he could of pulled that one off!).

As far as demeanor? I dunno on this one...I would think it depends on the person at hand, and not as much as their sex as one would think. There's a handful of successful female comedians.

I think the biggest thing that irks me though is as far as relationships go - men typically look for more attractive females. I've seen some pretty average/ugly looking men score some really attractive eye candy because of their success. Women are more out to find someone who can support them, then they are over looks so a guy with a secure job which pays well would more than likely win over a poor model-quality male. (I guess why I'm bitter is that I kind of hit with the ugly stick in the family - mainly with weight. My whole family is/was skinny and I was the fat one. My aunt on my dad's side also got the 'fat gene'...so it is lurking. ~_~)

Wonderful insights - I like the examples you brought up too. I had almost forgotten about the women in Sex and the City. And yes, I still don't like the whole "sex appeal will get you out a speeding ticket." I may go with a woman bursting into tears but the whole looks can get you out of anything is just BS. Beauty and hottness is going to be in the eye of the beholder.

A lot of female behavior is not taken seriously, which can be good and bad. It can be good because they rarely get in trouble for fighting, even though guys get suspended for the same behavior.

The truth of the matter is that there is such a thing as "benevolent" sexism that often assumes that women are not as capable as men in something bad (ie: assaulting/sexual harassment) or are more fully capable in something good (ie: custody cases).

Of course, this is seen as discrimination AGAINST men, but in truth, it's mainly the fact that women are still treated unequal (sometimes benefiting themselves by playing into female stereotypes), and I think that it's very unfair because men and women should both be held just as accountable for their actions.

I think when it comes to guys getting away with more things than girls there is some truth, however I believe it has to do with body type since girls generally have a slighter build than guys there is this idea that those girls with a daintier build shouldn't be able to do certain things; however I am a girl with a very stocky build I can get away with more stuff than guys who have a lighter build. I think it all comes down to your body type and if you are a girl with a dainty build ppl won't let you get away with as much as they would if you are a girl that is built like a linebacker, that is my experience anyway but if a girl has a stockier body a whole different set of issues come up...

*Reads entire thread*
wow well that made me think about a lot of things!
personally I feel each sex (male/female) can get off with certain things
girls can get away with....(i just can't think of one at the moment XD)
while boys can rough house and do other things along those lines...
but if a girl were to rough house along these guys they'd probably think
that shes wierd, attention hog, aggressive and other unnecessary things
while its the same if a guy might wear skinny jeans or the color pink
people might call him "gay" or other really mean things while he may just
like wearing pink or skinny jeans... or maybe had a mishap in the washer machine
(don't put the red sock with the whites..)
but what i'm saying is its all up to the the gender and the situation!

I'm just pissed that a guy can just scratch all his junk in public and nobody cares. But if a girl has an itch down there, no matter hoooooow bad it is, we cannot scratch it. Cus if we do we're nasty.
That makes no sense!!!

Well, to me, the side's pretty equal, but I do think that 'tomboys' are like a mix of the two genders. :p