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Old 11-12-2009, 04:20 PM

There used to be a man who walked around St. Albans with a shopping cart holding all his cloths. Rumor was that he was extremely rich and just didn't trust banks, so he didn't own a home or any other belongings. He DID, however, go to Wendy's a lot with a lap top.

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Old 11-12-2009, 05:26 PM

Some of these people are actualy on hard times, i've given a few money, and if I had food I'd probaly give it to htem. I can buy my food...but if they're asking for food and have a mcdonalds bag at their feet, or look well fed...then no, but I usualy ignore them...they scare me

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Old 11-12-2009, 09:00 PM

I remember back when they had Beanie Babies at McDonnald's. We went and bought like 30 happy meals to get as many as we could cause my neices ALL wanted one of each. So we had like 30 happy meals and we're driving home and stop at a light and there are 4 guys under a bridge with a little fire trying to stay warm. We pulled over and gave them all the food. I don't think I've ever seen a geddier group of grown men in my life. They burned the bags and ate like kings and one of the men gave me a little wooden carving of a deer he had made. I don't know if they where drunks or not, but it doesn't matter, no one should have to starve.

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Old 11-12-2009, 10:10 PM

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Except, you've done a very poor job of defending it. Your original statement did not mention people with addictions. You quite explicitly were talking about how long someone has been homeless, not why they're homeless, as your reason for not helping them, by saying that they're living the life they want to live and suggesting that if they really wanted to get off the streets they could. This would not by any stretch of the imagination be limited to drug users.
T_T I just wrote a page worth and my stupid computer closed the browser.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that you can't help anyone who doesn't want to be helped. My original statement was misunderstood because of a word I misused (my English professor would kill me xD)... It's not that I lose compassion towards these people ... it's difficult to explain. It's more a feeling of disappointment and despair. It just gets so frustrating to know you're trying to help someone, or know that there are resources out there but they refuse to get it. And again, by they, I mean those that are homeless because of addiction to drugs or alcohol. I hope you can somewhat understand what I'm trying to say... too bad this stupid work computer was being a psychopath, I had a nice essay written. =/

It's just a tough subject...maybe if we got rid of capitalism, homelessness wouldn't be such a huge problem. o.o

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Old 11-21-2009, 06:05 AM

Having been there done that I will say that it is out of desperation. It was not something I even thought of twice when I was in the position and needed to. I also did everything I could and got out of it. I still know people who just live their life that way and I find it sad. They are happy with there situations and I hope they will grow out of it.

Some kids I know were raised that way. Living there with there parents since they were ten. What are you supposed to say to them? This is all they have ever known. I feel this is like looking down on people who have been born into wealth and are good people but some might look down on them for it.

All in all some are lazy bums who live for drugs and alcohol but there are those who are ashamed and are just looking for someone to smile....even if it is followed by a "sorry I don't have anything" its those people that kept me going and let me know that I'd be ok.

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Old 11-21-2009, 11:01 AM

While I tend not to give them money unless I know them - there are a few I more-or-less know personally - if I am near a shop and they're really hungry, I sometimes do buy them something to eat. That way, I know that what I give them goes to food, not drugs or alcohol.

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Old 11-21-2009, 07:25 PM

I thought I would put this in here for people to think about. Some think that these people can go to a homeless shelter or the VA for vets or some place that will help them get back on their feet... but sometimes the restrictions are so great that it's not worth it.

My father in law lived with us for a while, which meant he could drink all he wanted.. but then we had to kick him out. He started getting violent, and I have a child in the house. So he left. He stayed with friends for a while, but eventualy no one wanted to keep him. Long story short, he ended up homeless and living in his truck. He was working at least! His truck was his livelyhood. All his tools and equipment in it, and a way to get to and from work. Then he had a heart attack. He's a vet, so he went to the V.A. for help. Helped with some of his hospital bills. Put him in a halfway house, got him bypass surgery.

My father in law, despite the drinking, was always willing to work. If he could find a job, he was there on time and sober. He can't work now, because of his heart. The docs haven't agreed on a time when he can work. The V. A. Halfway house he's staying at.. Took his truck. They keep the keys. If he wants to use it, he has to sign forms. If he wants to go anywhere, he has to sign forms. If he wants to come out and see his granddaughter... He has to sign forms. They won't give his truck back until he has medical release to work again, which might be months. And if he leaves the V.A. program and finds another house, he has to PAY them 100 dollars to get his keys back so he can move out.

He's staying here for the weekend. They wouldn't give him his keys, so we had to pick him up, and if he's not back by 8 PM Sunday, he gets kicked out.. and has to pay to get his truck. The one piece of property he owns, and they've taken it from him. I can understand fully why people would rather live under a bridge then submit to government aid. It's degrading to be treated like a child like that.

He was also moved into a smaller room because he can't work. This means he WAS staying at a halfway house with a kitchen and his own room while he was working. He had say in the food they cooked.. heck, he was cooking, and my father in law is a GREAT cook. With his heart problem, he was able to eat the good things and stay away from the heavy fat and deep fried stuff, because he was part of the decisions making processes. AND He was getting paid to drive other people to work (some of these guys don't have cars) which meant he was getting a little extra income, which he's been saving to get out of the VA. But now that he's had his heart surgery, they put him in another house in a room with 3 other guys, and he's not allowed to drive people to work (which means no income) and he had to start from scratch. Every program he HAD been in through the V.A. sees him as leaving and coming back. There is no process for transfer. He's basically being treated like he was never there, so has to wait another month for help with his pills and right now we're paying for his doctors appointments. But he never left the V.A. program, just moved to a new house.

He's asked if he can stay with us again.. I don't think he can. He's stopped drinking. I mean if he does drink, he's dead, and he's not so bad to deal with, but we don't really have any room for him. The way the V.A. is treating him.. I'm pretty sure he's going to end up homeless again before the year is out. He's using up all his saved money for cabs to get to doc appointments and bandages and his pills, he can only eat certain types of food, so he has to buy his own, the VA cafeteria doesn't really care if he can't eat fried food or not. For all the help they've given him, they've set him back even further. Before his surgery he was getting back on his feet and ready to get his own place.. now he is totally dependent on others again. He said last night that he should have just left it alone and let his heart fail, he'd be better off.

The government is really screwed up...

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Old 11-22-2009, 11:07 AM

Yeah, I give them some spare change, when I was on a school trip I was always giving away change to tehse people and then my teacher pulled me aside and actually said that I couldn't give to these people. I don't see why I can't? I mean so what, they are not a registered charity, they are still people! People who have fallen on hard times, they get hungry and thirsty and clod just like everyone else so why can't we help them.
I really do think its wrong to shout abuse at these people.

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#34
Old 11-23-2009, 11:53 PM

i have a hard time resisting the urge to strip the car searching for spare change when i see tham. usually i just sit tight till we pass, but every now and then i'll try and get dad to give them spare change. (he wont cuz its against the law to beg here)

you think its so easy to get a job? think about this. your interviewing people for jobs. the guy in a suit with a briefcase that recently got laid off comes through the door, and has a great interview. that dude leaves, and then the homeless single mom with stains on her shirt walks in, and was forced to bring her 3 young children along to the interview. really now, who would you instantly think better for the job?
im 13, and i can answer that.

my point being that not ALL homeless people are lazy drunks. it would just be really hard to get picked over that guy in the suit if you cant even afford to buy decent clothes for the interview. ESPECIALLY in todays economy! (well, its bad here) and not every place has a homeless shelter (i dont think there are any around here) and not all homeless shelters offer help with job searching. so then, all thats left is begging.

 


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