i dont think it's bad for a gay to join on military why there's discrimination in there...
it's not the personality that's count's does it?
it's the heart to serve and ready to die in honor of one's country.

I think Gay people should be allowed to go into the army. For one they are apart of this nation to and they might want to join the army. Also I think they would know when it is appropriate to act and when not to act. Is that okay to say?

. I hope you realize that the "army" is a branch.

First off, the military does allow gays in the ranks. Most people think they don't due to common misconception. Most of the time it is: do not tell, do not ask. Basically, like anyone else in the armed forces if you do your job and do it well, no one is going to question it. When you screw up to the point it causes injury to other soldiers or you start parading, then the military gets uptight about it. They can't simply discharge you because you are homosexual, they need another reason. The same ideology will be applied here. Good Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Air Force men don't get discharged for being homosexual.

Originally Posted by Runes

. I hope you realize that the "army" is a branch.

First off, the military does allow gays in the ranks. Most people think they don't due to common misconception. Most of the time it is: do not tell, do not ask. Basically, like anyone else in the armed forces if you do your job and do it well, no one is going to question it. When you screw up to the point it causes injury to other soldiers or you start parading, then the military gets uptight about it. They can't simply discharge you because you are homosexual, they need another reason. The same ideology will be applied here. Good Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Air Force men don't get discharged for being homosexual.

They can discharge you for being open about your sexuality, but only if you're gay. Straight men can be open about their sexuality and not be discharged. They need no further reason.

For me, its not a matter of sexual orientation or sexual preference that dictates one to serve in a country's army.

Rather, its one's citizenship that gives him/her the duty to defend one's state from foreign and local attack.

I really don't get why one's government should disallow a person to serve in the army just because of sexual preference and/or orientation, when ALL, and i mean, ALL CITIZENS are required to defend the state.

i guess thats my opinion. feel free to comment and correct me as i go! :D

Women aren't required to defend--they're not included in the draft.

Originally Posted by Kris

They can discharge you for being open about your sexuality, but only if you're gay. Straight men can be open about their sexuality and not be discharged. They need no further reason.

They can even discharge you, or deny you the ability to join, if someone else besides yourself lets them know you are homosexual even if it is not true. That is what a couple of my "friends and family" did to prevent me from joining two days before I departed.
>.< I had already had a going away party so it was quite embarrassing when I was denied joining. Especially since my ASVAB scores (qualifying tests) were off the charts >=(

Wow, that would be pretty embarrassing :/

@Tutela: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! I had fairly high ASVAB results (92), and was told that I Would have to take another test (the DLAB) in order to be granted the MOS that I wanted. Since I didn't want to wait to take the test, I just went and picked a different MOS (89D - EOD, baby!). But then when I got to reception at Ft. Leonard Wood, I was told that if you had an exceptional ASVAB score, that you were then REQUIRED to take the DLAB. I got the highest score on the test that day, out of about 1000 privates, and they informed me that it was too late to change my MOS. :(

I live a few miles from Ft. Wood o_o

Small world xD

Oh, I'm sorry for you then, too!!! Winters are just as bad down there as they are here in Michigan.

Women are allowed to join the army; are you asking this question pertaining to only men or to women as well?
If the issue involves sexual orientation and not gender, then perhaps the armies should be assigned based on that instead of gender. It is true that then the straight women would be placed with the gay guys, causing a reciprocal of the initial problem, but maybe then there should be 4 different sections.

If a man goes to a club, there is just as much of a chance of their being a gay guy there to hit on him as there is of this happening at work. Gay coworkers in any job if they were to hit on the straight ones could make the straight ones uncomfortable. I don't think the army is an exception, and this is just a fact of life that will have to be dealt with.
That is like asking if gay guys should be allowed to join sports teams that have a majority of straight guys.

In any case, I think the men in the army have more to worry about than a gay guy hitting on them.

I believe that if a person,wants to fight for their country, and is willing to put their life on the line should the need arise. Then what should it matter who they fall in love with? It doesn't make them any less patriotic, a patriot is simply defined as a someone who loves their country, and is willing to defend it. It hasn't nothing to with with a heterosexual man, or woman its solely based on a common goal that soldiers share fighting, to protect what they hold precious. It shouldn't matter where a man loves another man, or a woman loves another woman.

Its already been said but Alexander the Great who was rumored to be gay, do you honestly think his men were thinking about him sleeping with men, as he conquered all the regions he did? No they were thinking that he was a great man, with this keen tactical ability that succeeded in taking most of the Eastern regions of themselves. I strongly believe that if a man, or woman wants to fight for their country then the right should be theirs. Basing the decision on the reason they cant be apart of the army, just because of their sexual preference isn't a justified reason.

Sure why not they bleed and die like everyone else. I dont see anything special about them to exempt them.

Originally Posted by XxIron_Maiden_OpheliaxX

I believe that if a person,wants to fight for their country, and is willing to put their life on the line should the need arise. Then what should it matter who they fall in love with? It doesn't make them any less patriotic, a patriot is simply defined as a someone who loves their country, and is willing to defend it. It hasn't nothing to with with a heterosexual man, or woman its solely based on a common goal that soldiers share fighting, to protect what they hold precious. It shouldn't matter where a man loves another man, or a woman loves another woman.

Its already been said but Alexander the Great who was rumored to be gay, do you honestly think his men were thinking about him sleeping with men, as he conquered all the regions he did? No they were thinking that he was a great man, with this keen tactical ability that succeeded in taking most of the Eastern regions of themselves. I strongly believe that if a man, or woman wants to fight for their country then the right should be theirs. Basing the decision on the reason they cant be apart of the army, just because of their sexual preference isn't a justified reason.

well put and well said. kudos on the analogy. But just one thing, Alex wasn't gay, he was bi. :D

Originally Posted by chong69

well put and well said. kudos on the analogy. But just one thing, Alex wasn't gay, he was bi. :D

Ah well there you go, that's the reason why I put rumored that he was gay. I wasn't quite sure so, I'd read several things claiming he was gay but, never knew if it was true or not.

Nonetheless thank you ^^