Most people don't want to look at the bible for clues of evolution but it's all over the place. Take Genesis chapter one, the creation of the world. God made this on this day. Somethings are miss placed, yes, I know but for the most part it shows an evolution in metaphoric terms. If you go into evolution you will see that the first creatures become the dinosaurs, the birds, the mammals, the fish... and so on. To say "birds" is to group all things that have characteristics of birds. Some dinosaurs had characteristics of birds and birds later evolved to what we know of them.

The rib being used to create Eve is merely genetic code in metaphoric code. It shows the evolution of humans in a simpler way for understanding.

Jesus himself is evolution. Look at his family history! The first woman recorded committed prostitution with Christ's great great great........................... Grandfather in order to get into his house with a child after death came to both his sons. She also, made sure that when she got to court she could show the courts that it was him that committed the sin with her.

King David, sent man to war to die so he could have sex with and marry his wife.

... Christ was born. Perfect. Without sin. We see an evolution of sin through the prophets to create a perfect man an perfection in nature is always being reformed.

I know a lot of Christians don't look at things in such away. I know people that refuse to believe in Evolution and Creationism on both sides. It's foolish when there is evidence in the Bible for people to throw the idea of Evolution out the window.

Oh wow! I think that's a really cool way to look at it. I do believe in evolution and the teachings of the Bible but I never made that sort of connection before. It really is fascinating when you think of it that way. It's kind of like all Jesus' ancestors made all the mistakes and sins for him, just so her could be perfect.

I always kind of thought that in the beginning where it says this happened one day and this the next and so on, they don't define how long a day was. they don't really explain how time passed, it could have been different from what we consider a day today. Therefore that leaves room for evolution to take place and steadily for each of these new things to develop under God's care and steady guidance.

Yeah, I been working on theory for years. Most people ignore it. -_-... I also think Noah being Nine hundred years old is miss translation.

It might be, although just think of how clean the world was back then. They didn't have nearly as many viruses and pollution. I think people lived much longer at that time and steadily as the world progressed with more pollution and viruses developing human life steadily became shorter and shorter. Now that we're finally learning how to fight back, we are extending life once more to what it used to be.

Nine hundred years may be a little much but it's all in perspective... So at this moment, I'm not really sure about that one.

They had virus'. They had cancer and so one. The cutting of bones is seen as horrible but cutting into dinosaur bones has proven cancer is one the oldest killers in the world.

900 months (moons) would make more sense; that'd make him about 75 years old.

Originally Posted by silenttiger43

It might be, although just think of how clean the world was back then. They didn't have nearly as many viruses and pollution. I think people lived much longer at that time and steadily as the world progressed with more pollution and viruses developing human life steadily became shorter and shorter. Now that we're finally learning how to fight back, we are extending life once more to what it used to be.

Nine hundred years may be a little much but it's all in perspective... So at this moment, I'm not really sure about that one.

No, we live much, much longer today than people did in Biblical ages. We are also taller, as well, partially due to the fact that we are healthier. That is why people married and had children in their early teens; they might very well not live to be much past thirty or so, or thirty at all, so they had to.

I like the theory as stated in the original post.

I think that Jesus did sin within his life, but became perfected again later by opening up to God completely. Either way, he was definitely chosen for greatness however you look at it.

Evolution in the bible... It does make sense. The days have been debated on as being thousands of years.

Wait hold on... If it's true that the universe is continually expanding, would not that make the earth having once been closer to the sun?

I want to see star charts on this... but I don't have any idea where to look to find that sort of information.

If this were true it would make the amount of time it takes to revolve around the sun considerably less and therefore, there would be many more years in a lot shorter of a time period.

This might explain the length of time that they were alive for?

The sun would not have burned the earth either because at that time it would have been a lot younger and less large... o_o;;

Yes things like Cancer were around back then, I never meant to imply that they didn't have viruses and the like. However they did not have nearly as many STD's and a great many of viruses had not developed to the state they are now. There was no H1N1 scare and all that.

And they did live longer in bible times. By the middle ages things had severely changed, there was the plague and horrible living conditions which killed people very young. That's when they were lucky to have lived until thirty.

Originally Posted by Keyori

900 months (moons) would make more sense; that'd make him about 75 years old.

That makes considerable sense. Bone suggestions haven't been that old but it does make more sense.

Yes things like Cancer were around back then, I never meant to imply that they didn't have viruses and the like. However they did not have nearly as many STD's and a great many of viruses had not developed to the state they are now. There was no H1N1 scare and all that.

And they did live longer in bible times. By the middle ages things had severely changed, there was the plague and horrible living conditions which killed people very young. That's when they were lucky to have lived until thirty.

Purity wouldn't keep people alive for 900 years. Tribes fought (See bible), wild animals, famine, the bible does talk about many diseases and the polar icecaps melted, causing the great flood. In 40 days you will have rain, so my idea is it was raining when tsunami hit land. There were many virus'. Look at bones evidence. It proves that fact. We comes across joints that have any different diseases imprinted on them. There also is no bone evidence to suggest the long life. Keyori hit the nail on the head, I believe. I was close to what my month theory was as well but I was counting in twos and threes to figure it out.

Jesus himself is evolution. Look at his family history! The first woman recorded committed prostitution with Christ's great great great........................... Grandfather in order to get into his house with a child after death came to both his sons. She also, made sure that when she got to court she could show the courts that it was him that committed the sin with her.

King David, sent man to war to die so he could have sex with and marry his wife.

... Christ was born. Perfect. Without sin. We see an evolution of sin through the prophets to create a perfect man an perfection in nature is always being reformed.

Not sure about this as Jesus was THE exeption. Every person before & after have sinned.

I am not a believer, but my argument to this would be that God is an immortal being. A day to him could be millions of years for us.

So when they say he made the world in seven days, it could be that he actually took a lot loner [thus allowing evolution].
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Originally Posted by Keyori

900 months (moons) would make more sense; that'd make him about 75 years old.

That is a very good point Keyori. In the Old Testament times dates were not measured in years at least not the kind that we are use to or the years during Jesus's times (which are calculated the same). During Old Testament times people didn't calculate time by the Julean calender which is the calendar that was used during Jesus's time and our time, so they didn't have the concept of years. So the 900 moons makes a lot more sense.

I'm not sure how you've intertwined these two beliefs since no specifics were given. Evolution says we came from a primordial soup...so I'm supposing you believe God is the creator of this soup?
Genesis chapter 1 and 2 says man was created by God in his image from dirt and the breath of God.
Evolution says humans are animals and simply a product of the evolutionary process.
Another thing to consider,
Genesis Chapter 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so" That was one example.
Actually Chapter one mentions 10 TIMES the phrase "after its/their kind" It also mentions vegetation reproducing after its kind. Everything reproduces after its kind. This means there was definitely limits put in place. This contradicts a huge component of evolution, Macro-evolution.
Evolution and the Bible do not fit nicely together. There a multitude of reasons for this that I could get into but I don't have time right now. However, Science and the Bible do fit very nicely together and I highly recommend that Christians do research both on Evolution and Creation Science. I adore Science, but before snugging Evolution in with the Bible, remember that Evolution is theory and there are many inconsistencies with its theory and the evidence.
One more thing I have to ask, Runes mentions

Purity wouldn't keep people alive for 900 years. Tribes fought (See bible), wild animals, famine, the bible does talk about many diseases and the polar icecaps melted, causing the great flood. In 40 days you will have rain, so my idea is it was raining when tsunami hit land.

I can't comment on your actual theory of what caused Noah's Flood, because I'm not an expert in that area. However, the Bible says (Genesis Chapter 7 and 8) after the ark was built, God told Noah the flood would start in 7 days.. and it rained 40 days and 40 nights. The waters rose for 150 days and then receded for 150 days. Just want to make sure everyone is getting the correct information on what's in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Runes

Purity wouldn't keep people alive for 900 years. Tribes fought (See bible), wild animals, famine, the bible does talk about many diseases and the polar icecaps melted, causing the great flood. In 40 days you will have rain, so my idea is it was raining when tsunami hit land. There were many virus'. Look at bones evidence. It proves that fact. We comes across joints that have any different diseases imprinted on them. There also is no bone evidence to suggest the long life. Keyori hit the nail on the head, I believe. I was close to what my month theory was as well but I was counting in twos and threes to figure it out.

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Please actually read what I am saying before you critique me on it. I never denied the existence of viruses, not once! The fact that they had fewer still remains fact. Fewer, as in not as many as today. I was also only offering this a possibility, it plays as one of many factors that would cause someone to live a bit longer.

I do think that the nine hundred moons theory is also possible.

Originally Posted by silenttiger43

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Please actually read what I am saying before you critique me on it. I never denied the existence of viruses, not once! The fact that they had fewer still remains fact. Fewer, as in not as many as today. I was also only offering this a possibility, it plays as one of many factors that would cause someone to live a bit longer.

I do think that the nine hundred moons theory is also possible.

I don't think there were fewer viruses. We had animals before human evolution cam to the circle we now. Viruses were around in great number killing the weaker creature. Only a few are noted in the bible, all viruses are included on bone record.

@Pai
You do understand that stories like Noah were recorded oral tradition and a lot is missing from true tale? That's why archeologists look at rock evidence to piece things together. Rock evidence shows flooding from the first melting of the icecaps.

God in his image from dirt and the breath of God.

As you stated the ooze does become earth, life and whatever. The breath of God is the oxygen we breath in scientific terms.

Genesis Chapter 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so" That was one example.
Actually Chapter one mentions 10 TIMES the phrase "after its/their kind" It also mentions vegetation reproducing after its kind. Everything reproduces after its kind. This means there was definitely limits put in place. This contradicts a huge component of evolution, Macro-evolution.

No it doesn't. Because genetics change with the child. If you have blue eyes person and green eyed person your child has a greater chance of being brown eyed or hazel. YOU have to understand we are looking at metaphor. Not a concert evidence. Plus we are reading a story that might have been screwed fro oral tradition and translation. So, did the original creation say that? Maybe bits and pieces, but it's foolish to say it's all there.

Has anyone ever considered the crazy notion that Creationism and Evolution may be one and the same? Let's assume for a moment that their truly is a creator god (whether he is Christian or some other faith). Now let's say that God in his master plan put Evolution into play so that nature would have the ability to adapt on it's own. This theory only works if you don't believe in an omnipotent and omnipresent God. By this I mean a god that is all-powerful and always present. I think that if you go a long with this theory that God created evolution a long with free will so that the world could take care of it's self. Just something for you guys to think about.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrossbones

Has anyone ever considered the crazy notion that Creationism and Evolution may be one and the same? Let's assume for a moment that their truly is a creator god (whether he is Christian or some other faith). Now let's say that God in his master plan put Evolution into play so that nature would have the ability to adapt on it's own. This theory only works if you don't believe in an omnipotent and omnipresent God. By this I mean a god that is all-powerful and always present. I think that if you go a long with this theory that God created evolution a long with free will so that the world could take care of it's self. Just something for you guys to think about.

You are not the first to propose this, and it would be in your own self-interest to not speak as though you are.

Now, "creationism" refers to the idea that God created us as we are now, not that he created evolution. There is a name for that specifically, which eludes me as of now.

I'm not suggesting that I came up with the idea on my own. This idea has come from years and years of research. I'm sorry if I came across as I did. Every good researcher builds upon ideas that are already present.

Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in some form by a supernatural being or beings.

This is a term that was not coined by just Christians, but many take it on that way. It clearly states that the earth was created in some form, it does not mean that it was necessarily created in the form that it is now, it doesn't even suggest that humanity was created in the way that it is now.

Evolution is the absence of this creator or creators.

Originally Posted by Pai

I can't comment on your actual theory of what caused Noah's Flood, because I'm not an expert in that area. However, the Bible says (Genesis Chapter 7 and 8) after the ark was built, God told Noah the flood would start in 7 days.. and it rained 40 days and 40 nights. The waters rose for 150 days and then receded for 150 days. Just want to make sure everyone is getting the correct information on what's in the Bible.

In creationism, the theory states that the flood occurred because there was a body of water above the earth's atmosphere which thawed and fell as rain. This theory was contrived based on bible verses which state that there was water on earth and above it. or some such...

@ EmptyMind this is a great observation! I've studied ancient Hebrew origins and the common idea during that time is that the earth is shaped like a disc, there are the upper waters and the lower waters.

Ancient Hebrew Cosmology (here is a link to a picture that demonstrates, if anyone is interested)

A COMMON COSMOLOGY OF THE ANCIENT WORLD

Just a reminder that quotes need to be in the [quote][/quote] tags, not just quotation marks.

Originally Posted by Pai

I'm not sure how you've intertwined these two beliefs since no specifics were given. Evolution says we came from a primordial soup...so I'm supposing you believe God is the creator of this soup?

Well, evolution is not a theory of origin. It doesn't specify where we started, it merely theorizes how we got here from there; wheras creationism says "BLIP POOF BAM we exist now!" in the most strict interpretations of the Bible.

Purity wouldn't keep people alive for 900 years. Tribes fought (See bible), wild animals, famine, the bible does talk about many diseases and the polar icecaps melted, causing the great flood. In 40 days you will have rain, so my idea is it was raining when tsunami hit land. There were many virus'. Look at bones evidence. It proves that fact. We comes across joints that have any different diseases imprinted on them. There also is no bone evidence to suggest the long life. Keyori hit the nail on the head, I believe. I was close to what my month theory was as well but I was counting in twos and threes to figure it out.

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i agree with this statement runes.

this is an interesting topic.
many people believe evolution is only charles darwins theory of evolution this however is false.
evolution is simply the progretion of a creature from one state to another more advanced state.
anyone who says evolution is ignorant or stupid and that is the stone cold truth.