a lot of people on menewsha seem to be proud of the fact that the community attracts more "mature users." although when polled for age, the gap seemed to be about the same as it would be on gaia, ranging from 13-21.

a quick look around the website tells me there's no real increase in maturity either, but rather the same people discussing the same topics which are completely void of any real meaning and clearly not very indicative of any sort of maturity that exists on the website.

how is asking people whether they like ice cream or cake any more valuable to a community than the picdrops/namedrops that frequently occur in the GD on gaia?

if you are absolutely repulsed by spam and witnessing it sends you into a frenzy, it's not very indicative of maturity.

I agree, but you seem to generalize everyone- not only here but also on gaia.
This is a smaller community- that's why I like it.

Originally Posted by jehneefur

I agree, but you seem to generalize everyone- not only here but also on gaia.
This is a smaller community- that's why I like it.

skim through a few threads that pretty much pop up across the website discussing gaia vs menewsha/any other website, and it's the same replies.

"it's more mature here"
"we attract a more mature user base"
"it's a smaller community"
"people are nicer here"

outside of that, i haven't seen very many different replies.

Hahahaha, and I'm supposed to take YOU serious because you have a kitty cat person in your signature?

What is that you? Are you trying to be cute?

I also toooootally dig your seeming lack of care for punctuation or general grammatical accuracy. Good work! :yes:

Go back to Gaia if all you want to do is pick apart our community. You CLEARLY belong there.

Originally Posted by Noelmule

Hahahaha, and I'm supposed to take YOU serious because you have a kitty cat person in your signature?

What is that you? Are you trying to be cute?

I also toooootally dig your seeming lack of care for punctuation or general grammatical accuracy. Good work! :yes:

Go back to Gaia if all you want to do is pick apart our community. You CLEARLY belong there.

just when i think people might not understand the point i am making, examples come along.

Originally Posted by pojke

just when i think people might not understand the point i am making, examples come along.

What point are you making exactly?

All I gathered from your thread was that you're saying Menewsha isn't mature.

So your points are either:

A) Menewsha isn't as good as Gaia. (I'm PRETTY SURE this has been said before by more intelligent people)

B) You don't like it here. - IE that goes in the Feedback section under "Site bitching"

Honestly now. Just what "point" are you trying to make here?

Originally Posted by Noelmule

What point are you making exactly?

All I gathered from your thread was that you're saying Menewsha isn't mature.

So your points are either:

A) Menewsha isn't as good as Gaia. (I'm PRETTY SURE this has been said before by more intelligent people)

B) You don't like it here. - IE that goes in the Feedback section under "Site bitching"

Honestly now. Just what "point" are you trying to make here?

adding quotation marks around point doesn't negate the point i'm making, good attempt though. :o)

let's continue with the point being that menewsha is neither mature nor better than gaia (which isn't exactly saying much) and why saying that menewsha attracts an older and more mature community than gaia is false. :o)

Originally Posted by pojke

adding quotation marks around point doesn't negate the point i'm making, good attempt though. :[/b]o)

let's continue with the menewsha being neither mature nor better than gaia (which isn't exactly saying much) and why saying that menewsha attracts an older and more mature community than gaia is false. :o)

Dude. I love how you just totally skated around my accusations entirely.

...and just...what? Adding quotation marks around the word "point" doesn't negate...the point...you are making? What? What the fuck are you talking about? Lmao.

So you want to continue that Menewsha is neither mature nor better than Gaia?

Okay okay. All I have to ask YOU is just where did you originate here on our lovely internets?

Did yew cum from Gaiaz?

*sits down*
Well, it all depends on who you associate with. I personally find it easier to find more mature users on here than on gaia, where the ratio of spammers to actual posters is quite high...

And I would like to point out that ad hominem attacks are not mature. But, you have to admit, not mature people are on all sites. I just think I can find more mature users on here.

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

*sits down*
Well, it all depends on who you associate with. I personally find it easier to find more mature users on here than on gaia, where the ratio of spammers to actual posters is quite high...

And I would like to point out that ad hominem attacks are not mature. But, you have to admit, not mature people are on all sites. I just think I can find more mature users on here.

Actually, you can find very mature users on both sites. Gaia, having a larger user base, naturally you have to sift through a great deal more trash than you do here on Menewsha.

Regrettably, lately, we've recieved so many more users, a vast number of them are illiterate, generic whiners such as our lovely OP here - with people such as him making it difficult to find a good conversation.

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

*sits down*
Well, it all depends on who you associate with. I personally find it easier to find more mature users on here than on gaia, where the ratio of spammers to actual posters is quite high...

And I would like to point out that ad hominem attacks are not mature. But, you have to admit, not mature people are on all sites. I just think I can find more mature users on here.

i think that is where our perceptions of what maturity is differs. i don't consider spamming to be immature. spamming doesn't bother me. how it could negatively impact someone is beyond me, as it takes less effort to ignore it than it does to work yourself up over it.

Originally Posted by pojke

i think that is where our perceptions of what maturity is differs. i don't consider spamming to be immature. spamming doesn't bother me. how it could negatively impact someone is beyond me, as it takes less effort to ignore it than it does to work yourself up over it.

So wait...is this just a thinly veiled attempt to get spamming allowed?

Originally Posted by Noelmule

So wait...is this just a thinly veiled attempt to get spamming allowed?

you're not very bright are you?

Originally Posted by pojke

you're not very bright are you?

Well, you clearly cannot seem to come up with any sort of argument to defend my accusations against you. All you can do is say "OH GEEZE UR NOT SMART R U?"

Which, unfortunately, really doesn't make much of a defense.

Well, I accept the difference in opinion. To explain my view, I think that repetitive and meaningless posts to gain gold are worthless on a forum based (discussion based) site. It is also an unfair way to gain gold since gold is given on a character based system.

And new users can be potential Assistant Admins. Quite a few staffers and other active members came from Gaia.

...

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

Well, I accept the difference in opinion. To explain my view, I think that repetitive and meaningless posts to gain gold are worthless on a forum based (discussion based) site. It is also an unfair way to gain gold since gold is given on a character based system.

And new users can be potential Assistant Admins. Quite a few staffers and other active members came from Gaia.

...

a character based system for earning gold is incredibly flawed, as there are ways of using a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing. this other girl is doing a great job at being an example of the maturity level here lmao

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

Well, I accept the difference in opinion. To explain my view, I think that repetitive and meaningless posts to gain gold are worthless on a forum based (discussion based) site. It is also an unfair way to gain gold since gold is given on a character based system.

And new users can be potential Assistant Admins. Quite a few staffers and other active members came from Gaia.

...

Oh that is thoroughly true, and I agree with you entirely.

There is potential in every new user. It is whether or not those users choose to harness that potential that will define the impact on a website, whether it is a general user, a moderator, a pixelist, or even an administrator.

The problem is, when we are choked up with dozens of generic "what would you do" or "what is your favorite" then yes, it is really hard to defend a general theme of maturity.

The OP is just pointing out the blatantly obvious in this little rant/flame session of his against the site.

And you are right, OP, I am making a great example of showing how intolerant some users are of idiots like you. It gets goddamn frustrating to see self-righteous people like you come in and tell us all something like this that completely turns our worlds upside down. Holy SHIT there are some immature threads? NO FUCKING WAY. (Those last two statements were /sarcasm for those of you who are slow)

... what does OP mean?

Pojke: However, it is the best of a few evils in my opinion. Gold based on post numbers would encourage spamming for quick gold. Also, the character based system awards users you put in time and thought in their posts.

And, in my own opinion, I find myself to be an average/ mature user when the topic needs it.

Noel, a level argument based NOT on anger leads to facts which are stubborn little things.
=)

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

... what does OP mean?

Pojke: However, it is the best of a few evils in my opinion. Gold based on post numbers would encourage spamming for quick gold. Also, the character based system awards users you put in time and thought in their posts.

And, in my own opinion, I find myself to be an average/ mature user when the topic needs it.

Noel, a level argument based NOT on anger leads to facts which are stubborn little things.
=)

Original Poster. <3

True, then again, what I've called the OP out on, he has completely ignored, preferring to harness in on a false sense of superiority and calling me immature.

He starts off by complaining about the site, something that has been done thousands of times before, acting as though he is completely original. The first to ever state such facts. Then, he emphasizes his facts by saying people don't make mature conversation.

Just because he has the intelligence to realize that there is a problem does not make him unique, original, or special. All it is, is another goddamn annoying thread about a problem that no one is doing anything about.

There-in lies my frustration towards him. He isn't doing anything special. He's just bitching about Menewsha, and he's no better than the pricks he is bitching about.

You are more than welcome to sit here and converse with him, and listen to the garbage he comes up with. I'd much rather see his kind gone from the site entirely.

aaah help someone is unsatisfied with my getaway from the bullies in real life.
not sure where i claimed to be the originator of this idea that menewsha isn't all it's cracked up to be? ;)

Maturity is a subjective term. And maturity varies with situations and such.
But it is much easier and a lot lest inflammatory to direct OP's to a thread in which this topic has already occurred or ignore such a topic and let it die out.
Pardon my attitude and opinion if it does not suit you.

Let's keep it civil in here, shall we? Community Discussion is a place for friendly conversation.

If you continue to attack one another, throw around names, and demean each other's opinions, then this thread will be locked up.

Originally Posted by Hatake Ayumi

Maturity is a subjective term. And maturity varies with situations and such.
But it is much easier and a lot lest inflammatory to direct OP's to a thread in which this topic has already occurred or ignore such a topic and let it die out.
Pardon my attitude and opinion if it does not suit you.

You make a good point. I never said I was the more mature one in this situation.

I'm pretty sick of seeing these scrubs from Gaia bashing Menewsha though. Honestly people don't want to see it, and I just get irritated enough to speak up about it.

Lets overlook our GD at the moment, it's more a place for users coming in and new to the site go and find their grounds by posting in the 'this is better than that' type topics. Granted there was once a time that true discussions went on there when the site was much smaller and less Gaian Members knew of it. ( :offtopic: No offense to our loyal Gaian members meant at all, just remembering the good old days when hangouts and discussions could be kept in one forum because of the small community)

Go outside the GD and you find the base of users who want to hold onto a proper discussion and you can find that mature base - some members aside granted that there ARE some immature users every site has them; but many seem to disappear to return to Gaia when they see not everyone is going down to their level or they stay and realize how much more they earn by the longer posts.

Life Issues and Debates are two very good forums that you can see that it differs from the posts on Gaia. Debates are mostly a flamers hideout on Gaia in my experience (I admit when I was young and foolish that's how I dealt with my stress holding tight to my beliefs and not listening to the other side). Here that's much different, we've topics going over 20pages worth of debate that if you sit back and read all the posts (outside of some immature users that post and run) you'll see a proper debate that it's worth reading that much to get to where they're debating now and can reply with everyone's viewpoints in mind on top of your own. You don't see that in Gaia, and the same can be said for Life Issues.

Then you can head to our hangouts where, though people are able to goof off and act a little immature, between those 'rp antic immature' posts will be a discussion of some sort of value. Be it rants, a certain topic the two/three/four/++ are involved in and sometimes more than one topic going on at a time.

If you base GD to GD yes you'll find the similar instances.. but understand the GD here is kinda a rest stop for new users (many who've come from Gaia and understand Gaia's GD) to get their barings and get easy gold outside of games as posting there is a quick way to earn gold by posting in every thread and usually never return to see if others replied to them or not, and many times only responding to the original poster rather than the person who last posted.

Once the new users bore of that they actually can take a look around and see that there's much more to do and that the other forums can lead to better discussion. For example, you'd rarely see a post as long as this in the GD nowadays where it used to be all that you would see. :sweat:

And it'll be easily worth the gold it gives me. Menewsha awards the work you put into posts and becoming part of the community. You get 0.02g per character that you type that is not punctuation. So even if all you post in is the GD you're still being part of the community by making those posts, so you're also earning gold for them.

Alas, many of our user base is between 13-21.. this doesn't mean the user base cannot also be mature so long as you overlook the GD and the odd user who acts their age you can't blame them for it.. I wish I was able to act my age when I'd gotten the chance to have that reason. (releasing stress isn't acting one's age at all.)

Honestly, I just find spamming annoying. I don't "freak out" when it happens.
But when it happens while talking with a friend and someone comes into the thread and starts spamming, the interuption can be a bit annoying. Other than that, the point to the "no spamming" rule is so people actually talk and forge friendships to gain their gold by chatting with people, and not by posting random poems from other languages in a bunch of places, etc.

I guess it varies from person to person what maturity is, that's true. :yes: But it's also true that people like different things. Some people like menewsha because it's smaller, there is less spamming interupting their conversations, etc., and there are others who don't like it here. *shrugs* Which is fine.