Yes it was done on the Longest Day of the year. As for doing it no. Wanting to do it no. However I have worked on that day in a strawberry field without a shirt even though I used sunscreen I still got a bit extra crispy due to me sweating.

@misfittbaby- Why is porn only disrespectful to women? It gives just as many unrealistic standards of men as it does to women, does it not?
I don't find it going off topic when there's not a very concrete topic here to begin with ;)

Originally Posted by Fabby

@misfittbaby- Why is porn only disrespectful to women? It gives just as many unrealistic standards of men as it does to women, does it not?
I don't find it going off topic when there's not a very concrete topic here to begin with ;)

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Actually, I'd say it doesn't. There are plenty of fat men and traditionally "ugly" men and hairy men and men with smaller penises in porn, whereas fat women or traditionally "ugly" women or hairy women or women with, say, small breasts are, if featured at all, considered a "fetish" or humiliated for their perceived flaws. And beyond that, there's the false representation it gives of women in regards to sex, which include everything from immediate screaming orgasms to finding pleasure in things the average woman does not. It sets up a false sense of what's "normal", or at least the most common, which affects all women in heterosexual relationships. It also sexualizes absolutely everything -- virginity, being a teenager, pretty much any uniform worn or role played by women (cheerleader, schoolgirl, teacher, nun, police officer, nurse, you name it). They portray women as passive objects, more recipients of sex than participants in it, which not only is not an accurate representation of female sexuality (gods, I hate using that term), but it forever places them on the lower end of an unequal partnership. Lesbians are the big one; porn involving two men is largely consumed by men, which makes sense, but porn involving two women is as well, even though by definition a lesbian relationship doesn't involve a man. They've transformed a specific sexual experience from something done between two women to something done for the benefit of men. I'm glad this came up actually, as I recently read something very interesting on the effects of the porn industry on women as a whole. I think this quote by someone involved in porn nicely sums up how they view (and thus, how the majority of their work portrays) women:

Originally Posted by Max Hardcore from "Pornland: How Porn has Hijacked our Sexuality" by Gail Dines

Women are much more understanding and aware of their true purpose in life than ever before. That purpose, of course, is to be receptacles of love; in other words, fuck dolls.

I find a great bit of issue with Misfit's wording, most definitely, but the suggestion that porn treats women and men equally is way off, in my opinion. If you or anyone else would like to read the bit I got the above quote from (it's really interesting and definitely changed my views of how my feminism relates to porn, though she occasionally gets into the ever-dangerous "women are noble and non-sexual and pure" territory), I could supply you with the link. Though I'd suggest not opening it at work, as it's got "PORNLAND" scrawled across the top in giant red letters and out of context, that could definitely cause some problems :P

I find nothing wrong with your response.

Originally Posted by Philomel

May I ask why being a stripper or sex worker or porn actress is "low"?

She also said just "having sex with guys" is low!

Originally Posted by Philomel

Actually, I'd say it doesn't. There are plenty of fat men and traditionally "ugly" men and hairy men and men with smaller penises in porn, whereas fat women or traditionally "ugly" women or hairy women or women with, say, small breasts are, if featured at all, considered a "fetish" or humiliated for their perceived flaws.

I would consider the women in porn to be just as ugly as the men, they're just more coated in makeup. That's a matter of opinion though. In traditional big studio porn, men with smaller penises tend to be fairly nonexistent though. More "average" people are pretty much the norm in amateur porn though, and that's a big thing now. Aside from that this sort of attitude is basically the prevailing one in many things, not just porn.

And beyond that, there's the false representation it gives of women in regards to sex, which include everything from immediate screaming orgasms to finding pleasure in things the average woman does not. It sets up a false sense of what's "normal", or at least the most common, which affects all women in heterosexual relationships.

What about the idea that men can go on forever and ever or have five orgasms in an hour or any of the other silly things that are clearly impossible? Or the stereotype that men just want it all day every day?

For the most part, I agree with the rest of your post and I suppose you are right, porn is more "demoralizing" to women; however, I feel it's wrong to not point out that there are some negative stereotypes about men porn tends to reinforce. I would be interested in seeing that link you mentioned, though.

Originally Posted by Fabby

I would consider the women in porn to be just as ugly as the men, they're just more coated in makeup. That's a matter of opinion though.

Oh, I agree, but that's why I said "traditionally beautiful". Traditional beauty's never been particularly natural :P

In traditional big studio porn, men with smaller penises tend to be fairly nonexistent though. More "average" people are pretty much the norm in amateur porn though, and that's a big thing now. Aside from that this sort of attitude is basically the prevailing one in many things, not just porn.

Still, there are many standards that apply to women that do not apply to men. And in the case of penis size, that's not really something they can do a whole lot about. Women can change, through surgery or some other method, their weight, their breast size, and pretty much every other part of themselves that a porn director might have a problem with, and because of that, they're expected to and if they don't, they aren't wanted. The expectations are just far more severe in regards to women.

What about the idea that men can go on forever and ever or have five orgasms in an hour or any of the other silly things that are clearly impossible? Or the stereotype that men just want it all day every day?

The average porn movie's, what, an hour long? So not "forever and ever", even if he's humping every second of the film (which he probably isn't; that would probably be boring even for porn fans). And I'm not sure the second is all that common, either; it seems like it's far more an issue in the case of women. As for the last part, that again is something that also applies to women, but I wasn't going to mention because...it's porn. It's all about sex. You couldn't have a film where two people discuss sex and one says they're just not into it right now and they leave.

For the most part, I agree with the rest of your post and I suppose you are right, porn is more "demoralizing" to women;

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Harmful, perhaps.

however, I feel it's wrong to not point out that there are some negative stereotypes about men porn tends to reinforce.

And I agree with you. I never suggested there weren't, simply that porn does not affect men and women equally. I think it's harmful all-around, and the non-harmful porn that doesn't treat women as objects and insult them and doesn't promote unrealistic expectations of both women and men, while it does exist, is a tiny minority.

I would be interested in seeing that link you mentioned, though.

An excerpt from Pornland: How Porn has Hijacked our Sexuality by Gail Dines - Fullscreen

It's quite good, but as I said, it has its problematic parts. I will warn you that the last few paragraphs may upset you.

Enjoy :heart: