Who cares about the NYC Mosque. Personally the people of New York have offended the Earth to long. Even Central Park is a joke with it's paved trails and it's cheesy statues. The Island of Manhata is choked with smog,blood,greed, and trash. I bet most of you don't know what it feels like to walk on a dirt road,read by the Moonlight,or feel the grass on your bare feet, or look at the stars. I know there are a few of you who are trying to help. Please return New York back into the living apple tree it was and not the baked apple it is becoming. People can put gardens on top of the some of the buildings,solar panels on the high rises,and reduce the amounts of tar paved roads. Now it's London's turn most of your statues are pitted by pollution. Let alone how many of you breathed clean air?I want to debate the pros and cons of going green by stages or going completely green all at once. Please don't say a rise in crime because that is one of the problems(blood/greed).

I live in the middle of no where, but I also go to university in a big city, so I get the best of both worlds. In residence at university, I lived on the green floor. So we recycled a lot, had solar panels, grew some of our own food like beans and such, didn't use paper towel, or paper plates, had timed showers. The coolest thing we had was a vermi-composter in our common room. It is essentially a composter but it is ten times faster and efficient because it uses the aid of worms. What you have to do is cut up all the food into tiny little cubes, bury it by sections into the dirt and let the worms eat it. Some cons of this is that the worms cannot digest certain stuff, like really acidic fruits like lemons or oranges, and eggshells and even bread. So we had another normal composter for those items. Also the worms produce a substance similar to urine that we called 'worm tea'. It gets pretty messy so you have to check the composter every once and a while, because it will start to leak. However this tea is nitrogen rich so it makes a great fertilizer for plants and others in the garden.

I liked going green.

I just use a steel drum in my back yard. I remember going to Scout Camp and having little electricity.

I live in a slowly growing city, but at night you can still go walking outside and see the stars, or walk for 10 minutes to the outskirts of the city and go hiking...

At my house particular, we recycle a lot, and have a natural worm composter in the far edge of our backyard.

Going green is good. It takes a bit of work to remember what can be be recycled how, but it's fine.

I live in a town that is growing but you can see the stars and walk at night also. I recycle aluminum cans(have been for at least 30 years) and plastic bottles. Is it voluntary or forced?

the recycling my family does? We do it voluntary, as does all my friends and their family. I'd say about 87% recyles because they want to.

In my dad's town (and in mine, actually), you have to pay an additional fee for recycling services. It's not standard with trash service.

So yeah, I'd call that optional, since you have to pay someone to cart your recyclables away, but you are not required to pay if you don't want the service.

You used to pay an additional fee in my town but now it's included in your trash bill.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

Who cares about the NYC Mosque. Personally the people of New York have offended the Earth to long. Even Central Park is a joke with it's paved trails and it's cheesy statues. The Island of Manhata is choked with smog,blood,greed, and trash. I bet most of you don't know what it feels like to walk on a dirt road,read by the Moonlight,or feel the grass on your bare feet, or look at the stars. I know there are a few of you who are trying to help. Please return New York back into the living apple tree it was and not the baked apple it is becoming. People can put gardens on top of the some of the buildings,solar panels on the high rises,and reduce the amounts of tar paved roads. Now it's London's turn most of your statues are pitted by pollution. Let alone how many of you breathed clean air?I want to debate the pros and cons of going green by stages or going completely green all at once. Please don't say a rise in crime because that is one of the problems(blood/greed).

You're basically one of those hippies who thinks the earth would be a better place if we were not here. That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. Thats like living in a house and saying "This place would be a mansion if we all lived out on the street"

No I'm not. However I am a Native American and I'm not impressed with the world Europe has made either directly or indirectly. Hippies are part of the infection since 95% of them are lazy bums that smoke/use drugs and the other 5% are just plain odd. You mean the ability to feed themselves with fresh vegetables and fruit makes one a hippy? I would like for you to say that to a Farmer and a Rancher. Let's see how far you get Lordi.:insane::eager:

Oooo, native american. I'm SO impressed.

Originally Posted by Lordi

Oooo, native american. I'm SO impressed.

Lordi: You clearly lack debate etiquette. It would be wise to read the forum guidelines. Right now, you are not debating but instigating a pissing match.

Stardragon~ Going green in stages is probably best and it shows progress. I don't have material on me or looked anything up to contribute. :)

I tend to agree. That way someone will become accustomed setting things out for reclaimation. The power grid benifits from phasing in new technology,making it cheaper, and at the same time fixing all the bugs that are associated with the new equipment.

Originally Posted by Snowflower

Lordi: You clearly lack debate etiquette. It would be wise to read the forum guidelines. Right now, you are not debating but instigating a pissing match.

Stardragon~ Going green in stages is probably best and it shows progress. I don't have material on me or looked anything up to contribute. :)

Thank you for restoring my hope in the Debates forum! <3

Going green in stages helps save money when cities or individuals do not have the money to do it all at once. A lot of the "go green" stuff does cost less to live off of but installing solar panels is an expensive thing. I do think that what people did to Earth isn't needed. Heck, look at the traditional tribes that live in Africa. They have been living side by side with nature for thousands of years. People do not NEED electricity or indoor plumbing to even live. It's just something that makes life easier for people. Personally, I think traditional living off the land is a simpler form of life compared to having to get a job and working long hours just to feed an economy of greed.

I also hate the fact that people over in "civilized" cultures are more greedy than those that live in a tribal setting. In a tribal setting everyone does work and they work together to survive. It's how nature intended it and how things should be.

As for recycling, some cities do not even have facilities to do it. I take all my recyclables to my mom's so the city can pick them up since there is not recycle pick up in the city I live in. Most people can not be bothered to do it since it's easier just to throw everything away rather than sort it out.

I sell my cans and scrap copper . The bad thing on no indoor plumbing it can be rather dicey in the Northern Climates. Also there is the thing about polluted water that is used for drinking. There are other ways to make power from the Sun such has using the heat produced to make steam. Also wind power is another option.

The thing about sustainable and renewable energy sources (and please keep in mind that not all renewable sources are sustainable) is that there is no "cure-all" energy that will fix the world's problems. Each region has its own constraints and considerations to take into account, so suggesting something as a panacea is ignorant to the fact that not everything works everywhere, period (including solar energy harnessing via the use of photovoltaic cells!)

Stardragon, when people lived in the olden days it wasn't easy. You seem to look back on those times with a romantic nostalgia that does not reflect the harsh reality of those times. Nomadic life is not easy. Things like running water, sanitation are a god send. If you think London is bad now look back to what it was like before the sewage system was installed.
The way we live is not sustainable, I agree with that. I would for the world to turn green over night but realistically you are looking at spending some major dosh in order to install clean energy infrastructures. Secondly the world's most dirtiest and polluted cities are not even in America or London- they happen to be in some of the poorest countries in the world. Realistically these countries cannot afford to install clean energy systems. So either the world unites and stand or it falls apart, judging by the last G20 summit we are all sailing up shit creek without a paddle...

Solar power could work, but what do you do when it is cloudy? And wind power, what do you do when it is not windy? We cannot rely on the earth forever. We need to think about the future. To ease the growing population, we need to spread out amongst the stars, and colonize other worlds.

Originally Posted by Keyori

The thing about sustainable and renewable energy sources (and please keep in mind that not all renewable sources are sustainable) is that there is no "cure-all" energy that will fix the world's problems. Each region has its own constraints and considerations to take into account, so suggesting something as a panacea is ignorant to the fact that not everything works everywhere, period (including solar energy harnessing via the use of photovoltaic cells!)

That's why we use our brains and use what grows in that area. Switch grass or a grain could be used to make alcohol. Then they citizens of that region could trade it for power. We have the technology to break the fossil fuel habit. @Una I've read history books about life before modern sewers. Your right but they might be able to help themselves by utilizing the gas off of sewers to make methane and the methane turns into methanol or is burn as a gas to power a generator.