I suppose, to just touch on the peer pressure issue, there is a TON of peer pressure. Pressure for girls to have a crush on a boy, to giggle over the cute new boy band, to be girly, to have a boyfriend, etc, etc. I used to make up crushes on the most impossible guy I could come up with (boys who had moved away, boys I knew where gay... etc) when I couldn't find a boy to have a crush on... and the only boy I actually did have a crush on the entire time I was in school had a thin, girl figure, was sensitive and did ballet. (and there is nothing wrong with that).
I never had ANY peer pressure to be a lesbian, in fact I hated myself for years and years and was terrified because I wasn't right, or normal, or acceptable.
having felt that way, I can't ever imagine anyone wanting to play at it just for fun, or being pressured into it. It took me years to even be willing to admit to myself that I wasn't just broken.
That said, I can't really imagine caring one way or the other. The only time I care about who loves who, is in my own personal life. Outside of that, as long as it's a healthy, respecting relationship, and there isn't an inappropriate age gap (and by inappropriate, I mean so large a gap that one party is manipulating the other, even if inadvertently).
The only person I've ever hated for being a lesbian is myself.
As far as the less 'girly' girls go, if they can actually pull it, off, some of them are quite cute... but I'm way too attached to my cute clothes and long hair and ribbons and ruffles and bows to ever consider a look like that myself! so not me. XD;
The comments about children being considered "not innocent" by seeing homosexuals kiss is really sad. Who give a flying fuck? Seriously? I've been harassed for it and I am NOT going to hold off on kissing my girlfriend or holding her hand just because someone doesn't like it. I am not the type of person to lay down and take a beating just because someone doesn't like the fact that I love who I love.
I understand not liking any PDA whether it being from straight or homosexual couples but saying specifically that you don't want a kid exposed to homosexuals is being ignorant.
I've had my neighbor telling me I'm "going to hell" and was threatening me because he saw me kissing my girlfriend good bye. It was a peck on the cheek and a hug for goodness sake! It's not like we were trying to undress each other or what not. He used the excuse that he didn't want his daughter to see it too just because we were both women. The world is a sad place when one can't even be who they are without being harassed or threatened.
I like lesbians, but there will just be some that I do not like. Or will not like.
There will be some straight people that I will never like.
There will be some gay people that I will never like.
There will be some transgendered that I will just never like.
I gotta say though, sometimes I get really annoyed with 'stereotypical' lesbians. You know the ones that are kinda bull-dyke, 'anything that is feminine is evil,' etc.
It's funny, I was trying to create a mental list of how many actual /straight/ friends I had, and I think I could only name like 14. The rest were all homosexual or bisexual xD
ok, so you will yell at me for what I say, but you don't yell at this person for what they say?
Seriously. Shut up and actually read the other posts and stop cyber bullying me because I actually give a crap what my son sees. He's a flippin 3 year old for gods sake. Stop bashing me, just because you don't like what I wrote. I basically said in a different way, the same effin thing this person said. Learn to read.
Children below the age of 8 are VERY influential. If my son saw two men or women making out, I know for a fact that he would ask why me or his daddy don't do that. Children below 8 don't need to see that stuff.
And FYI, I never kiss my husband in public. Only in our room in our house. Ohhhh, Heaven forbid that everyone can actually learn to get along for once huh? Pssh. Whatever. Stereotype me all you want. It wont bother me, because you don't even know me.
But if you want to start yelling at me because I don't like a perticular type of lesbian, yell at the person who said it first, not me. Grow up.
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Originally Posted by Chiyoki
Love is love, simply put.
No one chooses it, it just happens.
As for my opinion of Lesbians, I don't mind them.
As long as they don't gallivant about putting on public displays of affection.
That said, I feel the same way about all couples, gay or straight.
Just keep it behind closed doors and I'm happy.
What about this? You're not going to yell at them for what they said? You're picking and choosing who you're going to yell at. I do not see gays or lesbians as corrupt. And every chlid is innocent.
ok, so you will yell at me for what I say, but you don't yell at this person for what they say?
Seriously. Shut up and actually read the other posts and stop cyber bullying me because I actually give a crap what my son sees. He's a flippin 3 year old for gods sake. Stop bashing me, just because you don't like what I wrote. I basically said in a different way, the same effin thing this person said. Learn to read.
Okay, if you're going to quote me that's fine, but do NOT take things I say out of context to justify your own agenda.
For one, I specifically said that there are /some/ lesbians that I will not like just as there are straight, bisexual, etc. people I will not like.
That stereotype of lesbians I have trouble getting along with, but it doesn't mean I don't have some really tomboy lesbian friends. That's all that meant.
And no, I don't believe in sheltering your kids from homosexual people.
They're more likely to grow up thinking people who are that way are "different" or "unacceptable," which is more likely to make them intolerant.
Your indifference to that fact proves it.
And by the way, I grew up all my life around people who were sexually different.
I'm currently straight and have dated guys and will probably marry one. However, if there was a lesbian that I truly fell in love with and liked every aspect of, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of dating her.
Orientation isn't black and white.
ok, so you will yell at me for what I say, but you don't yell at this person for what they say?
Seriously. Shut up and actually read the other posts and stop cyber bullying me because I actually give a crap what my son sees. He's a flippin 3 year old for gods sake. Stop bashing me, just because you don't like what I wrote. I basically said in a different way, the same effin thing this person said. Learn to read.
Children below the age of 8 are VERY influential. If my son saw two men or women making out, I know for a fact that he would ask why me or his daddy don't do that. Children below 8 don't need to see that stuff.
And FYI, I never kiss my husband in public. Only in our room in our house. Ohhhh, Heaven forbid that everyone can actually learn to get along for once huh? Pssh. Whatever. Stereotype me all you want. It wont bother me, because you don't even know me.
But if you want to start yelling at me because I don't like a perticular type of lesbian, yell at the person who said it first, not me. Grow up.
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What about this? You're not going to yell at them for what they said? You're picking and choosing who you're going to yell at. I do not see gays or lesbians as corrupt. And every chlid is innocent.
I'm sorry I must have missed that post. If I had seen it, I would have pointed it out as well. That is my fault.
Don't pull the spoiled brat card, don't tell me to shut up simply because you don't like my opinion. At least I'm trying to talk to you rationally and point out the flaws in your argument. I'd appreciate the same from you.
I'm not cyber bullying you. Again, I'm pointing out the flaws of your argument. I have an eight year old sister. She knows I have a girlfriend. I have never hid it from her, ever. In fact, she seems perfectly fine with it. Never had an issue with it at all. I think you're not giving your son enough credit.
If you're going to hide homosexual relationships from him (IE; shielding his eyes if a man kisses another man, just as an example) he may grow up to think it's wrong. After all, you're trying to hide it from him. However, if he grew up with seeing it, he would see that it's all right for a man to kiss another man. Homosexual relationships are okay.
Fine, don't kiss your husband in public. I don't care. But if I want to kiss my girlfriend, I'm going to do it. I don't care if you like it or not. Don't want to see? Look away. I'm not going to stop loving my girlfriend because you think it's wrong. Which you obviously do, or you wouldn't shield your son from it.
I'm going to try and avoid the whole nature vs nurture debate here, but I do believe a lot of who a child is, is from nurturing. I grew up in an open household. I knew from birth there are people out their with different views than mine. I knew it was okay for people to be unlike others. Which is why I was comfortable coming out as a lesbian.
But your son, I'd bet, won't be like that. What if your son is a homosexual? If you try to hide homosexuality from him, he probably wouldn't be comfortable coming out because you always showed it as wrong to him.
Now, if you want to talk to me rationally and like an adult that you are, feel free. But I won't continue to debate with someone who cries SHE'S BULLYING ME MOMMY every time I post a response to yours.
As for the person you quoted:
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Originally Posted by Chiyoki
Love is love, simply put.
No one chooses it, it just happens.
As for my opinion of Lesbians, I don't mind them.
As long as they don't gallivant about putting on public displays of affection. That said, I feel the same way about all couples, gay or straight.
Just keep it behind closed doors and I'm happy.
ALL couples. Gay or straight. I wouldn't want to see a heterosexual couple fucking in public. I wouldn't get naked and hop on my girlfriend in public either. But a kiss? Sure. Let a man kiss a woman. Let a man kiss a man.
I don't feel any different about lesbians than I feel about anyone else. They are who they are. I hate when people think it is so wrong even the ones that say they believe in true love. If your true love is the same sex as you, then so be it. I understand that some people are uncomfortable with it but I hate when I see people out just bashing anyone that isn't straight. I don't think I personally know any lesbians but I just don't see how they would be any different from the straight girls I know, other than they wouldn't be dating a boy.
Lesbians? They're just fine. Of course, there will be some lesbians that are bitches. Just as there will be gay dudes, bisexuals, and straight people who are bitches. That's just the way it goes.
I also disagree with sheltering children from homosexuality. I didn't really even know it was possible for two men or women to be together until I was 10. My dad didn't deliberately hide it, I don't think...It's just that nobody ever told me. It seemed bizzare when I first heard about it, and then I accepted it (although I doubted that there were actually very many gay people out there until I was 11 or 12), and then I freaked out a little when I realized that I wasn't straight, at the age of 13. I've accepted it now, and I'm 14. But I'm still confused on the whole matter, all I know is that I'm not straight, and I have yet to tell anybody.
I don't mind couples holding hands, hugging, or kissing in public. I mean, it's a free country. But I don't want you two over there mauling each other. I mean, for God's sake, a little dignity! Granted, I'm that way with all couples, gay or straight.
@Royal Knight-
It could just be me, but it seems that an important question has not been asked of you. Do you oppose Public displays of Affection regardless of the people involved?
I'm not going to stop loving my girlfriend because you think it's wrong. Which you obviously do, or you wouldn't shield your son from it.
This is exactly what I was trying to say, only way better and more succinctly than I could've put it :P You can claim you have gay friends all you want, but if you're trying to keep a child from seeing something, you believe that something is wrong. There's no other possible explanation.
I would also note that no one I have ever met who was not a raging homophobe believed this idea that it's "contagious", that someone can see a gay couple and then suddenly they're gay. Such ideas aren't even espoused by normal homophobes, it's only the big-time anti-gay hate groups like the Traditional Values Coalition who believe we go out and "recruit" children by "being gay" in front of them. So, if you're really *not* homophobic, why do you so strongly cling to BS theories that groups who are admittedly anti-gay rely on to support their hate of us?
I don't agree with Lesbian's, Gays, and Bi's. I don't agree with what they are doing--But I can't tell them what to do. So I won't. I also won't judge them...Or be all mean towards them...But I would sort of like to keep a little distance. That's all I really have to say.
I don't agree with Lesbian's, Gays, and Bi's. I don't agree with what they are doing--But I can't tell them what to do. So I won't. I also won't judge them...Or be all mean towards them...But I would sort of like to keep a little distance. That's all I really have to say.
What are they doing? Last I checked, homosexuality wasn't some club where people get together and do all the same things. And I'd consider saying you don't like "what they're doing" (when they aren't "doing" anything but existing, really) and keeping a distance from them despite the fact that they aren't harming you at all would count as judging.
Most homosexuals aren't particularly big on PDA, anyway, unless they live in a place where its socially acceptable for two girls to kiss in public (which I think should be everywhere, sadly). I do believe that two girls holding hands in public in my town is a death sentence.
Lesbians are lesbians.
A lot of my wonderful friends here are lesbians.
I don't like PDA in general, so if they were kissing their lovers, I might feel awkward, but even straight people kissing in public or around me makes me want to run for the hills. xD
But in general...who cares? lol
Let 'em love who they love.
What are they doing? Last I checked, homosexuality wasn't some club where people get together and do all the same things. And I'd consider saying you don't like "what they're doing" (when they aren't "doing" anything but existing, really) and keeping a distance from them despite the fact that they aren't harming you at all would count as judging.
I think they are going away from what's natural. I know what you all are going to say "What do you mean? What if being straight ISN'T natural". Well God made a man, and a woman. They where meant to be together. If he wanted just one sex, then he probably would of just made, male's...Or just female's.
Yes, I do believe in God.
And I believe that if I hang around them too much, then I might fall prey to what they are doing. Just like I believe if I hang around people who are doing drug's, somehow they'll convince me to do drugs too.
It's their decision. I don't want to be dragged into it.
I think they are going away from what's natural. I know what you all are going to say "What do you mean? What if being straight ISN'T natural". Well God made a man, and a woman. They where meant to be together. If he wanted just one sex, then he probably would of just made, male's...Or just female's.
Yes, I do believe in God.
And I believe that if I hang around them too much, then I might fall prey to what they are doing. Just like I believe if I hang around people who are doing drug's, somehow they'll convince me to do drugs too.
It's their decision. I don't want to be dragged into it.
This amuses me. Homosexuality occurs in nature all the time. SOURCE
Guess what, not everyone believes in God. I don't. Many homosexual people don't, either. And also:
The Bible never says homosexuality is a sinX
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Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.
Paul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they're even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, "You are breaking God's heart by the way you are treating one another."
Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: "Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?" Paul answers, "You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone."
The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don't kill one another. Don't sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don't lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes "malokois" and "arsenokoitai."
Here's where the confusion begins. What's a malokois? What's an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We'll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let's see what the texts say about God.
After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn't phony.
That's the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn't want us squabbling over who is "in" and who is "out." God wants us to love one another. It's God's task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.
So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?
Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant "effeminate call boys." The New Revised Standard Version says "male prostitutes."
As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don't know exactly what it means -- and the fact that we don't know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of "the effeminate call boys." We might call them "dirty old men." Others translate the word as "sodomites," but never explain what that means.
In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.
In the past, people used Paul's writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul's writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.
Now we have to ask ourselves, "Is it happening again?" Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society's prejudice and condemn God's gay children?
We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.
Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.
Also, homosexuality isn't contagious. It's not a disease. If I coughed on you, you wouldn't become gay.
I think they are going away from what's natural. I know what you all are going to say "What do you mean? What if being straight ISN'T natural". Well God made a man, and a woman. They where meant to be together. If he wanted just one sex, then he probably would of just made, male's...Or just female's.
Yes, I do believe in God.
And I believe that if I hang around them too much, then I might fall prey to what they are doing. Just like I believe if I hang around people who are doing drug's, somehow they'll convince me to do drugs too.
It's their decision. I don't want to be dragged into it.
Oh yes. Being gay is a choice. I'm only gay for the social benefits. /blatant and unbridled sarcasm
No one is forcing you to date girls. You are either attracted to women or you are not. There are varying degrees of homosexuality, but if you do not see yourself having sex with women, or being in a relationship with one, then you are not a lesbian. No one is influencing you.
The rest of the country, however? That's where the peer pressure is. When I was growing up, I was the most miserable person in the world because I thought there was something mentally wrong with me. I didn't connect with the opposite sex as naturally as the other girls did. But everyone was dating boys and I tried it. Talk about falling prey to peer pressure. The relationship wasn't horrible, but I still felt like what I was doing was dishonest to myself. I tried heterosexuality. It just seemed wrong.
But when I got to college and the pressure to date boys was off, I met a girl who, without even touching me, rocked my world. Our relationship didn't become sexual until three years after we were dating, and then it wasn't giving in to temptation: it was expressing our devotion to each other.
We are now engaged to be married, but wrapped up in the controversy of not being able to. Its quite unfair to be so filled with love for one person and not be able to show it. If I hold hands with her in town, people will stare. They will point, laugh, call us names. Some LGBT couples have had beer bottles thrown at them. If my bronchitis gets so bad that I'm taken to the hospital, my fiancée won't be allowed to visit me and tell me that its going to be alright. Even if we hop a few states over and get married in Iowa, our marriage would only be recognized in less than a quarter of the United States.
I didn't become gay. I fell in love, just like it is everyone's right to do.
Please don't take this as an attack on you, personally, but if you're afraid that you'll become influenced by lesbians, then maybe you should have more faith in God. Jesus didn't preach to the sinners: he befriended them and through their friendship taught the sinners about God. So if you're feeling threatened by someone who is just trying to live their life, please look within or look to the heavens for the answer.
