Hermes wins my undying appreciation just for that comment.

monstahh: See, that's what I was thinking. I tried to be straight once and I was miserable. I didn't try to kill myself, but I certainly thought about it once or twice because I was frustrated with how awkward I was. So you can either be miserable by trying to fit in, or you can be miserable without trying to fit in. THAT is a choice. NOT sexuality.

Trust me, Herodotus was dull until he described the army of Lesbians.
I was like
Whut
Then I was like
:)

*pops in*

Herodotus is not dull!!!

But with that said, let's try to stay on topic here. I'm glad you guys are having fun now, but some of this stuff might be worth creating new threads for. ;)

I won't say anymore because if I go too far I might be considered flaming...

Is Homosexuality A Sin

Originally Posted by Love4Dreams

I won't say anymore because if I go too far I might be considered flaming...

Is Homosexuality A Sin

I see you didn't read my post fully. Congrats.

I don't believe in God. So why shouldn't I be allowed to marry the love of my life? Because a church I do not believe in says so? Ever heard of Separation of Church and State? You should look that up.

My being a homosexual and getting married no way effects your life in a negative way. Me kissing my girlfriend in your presence won't send you to the non-existent hell.

It's time to let ignorance go.

EDIT:
Here. I did it for you.
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...the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business.

EDIT AGAIN;
And, if you want to continue the whole Bible thing:

9 "All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.

You're going to tell me you've NEVER thought a bad thought about your parents? To death with you!

Doesn't it also say things like a father can sell his daughter? If you work on a Sunday, you should die? I wouldn't know. I've never read it.

Exodus 35:2

Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

I bet that's millions of people dead right there.


Don't take the Bible so literally.

Enough edits. This post is done.

I don't like it when couples of any kind kiss and make out in public. In the end, I don't care that much about lesbians though I get mildly annoyed when they demand that the government recognize their marriages so that they could get tax cuts and all that jazz that straight couples do. Because really, unless they adopted children and are serious about setting up a family, then they don't need it. Besides, Obama needs to send government funds to education. I'm still using ancient box computers in high school and its slow pace is driving me nuts.

Originally Posted by HabloPicasso

I get mildly annoyed when they demand that the government recognize their marriages so that they could get tax cuts and all that jazz that straight couples do. Because really, unless they adopted children and are serious about setting up a family, then they don't need it.

So your assertion is that tax cuts should be targeted to those who are trying to raise children? If this is in fact the position you are arguing then this is a conversation worth having. I would quite certainly agree to removing marriage based tax cuts and replacing them with means tested, dependent people based tax cuts. Although these criteria must be applied universally in order to both be just and effective.

I would have to say I agree with Crimson. For me the whole debate about marriage is about two things. Dignity and benefits. Right now I don't think they're truly giving alternative couples either of those fully.

Also, is alternative couples offensive? It sounds like it might be.

Originally Posted by HabloPicasso

I don't like it when couples of any kind kiss and make out in public. In the end, I don't care that much about lesbians though I get mildly annoyed when they demand that the government recognize their marriages so that they could get tax cuts and all that jazz that straight couples do. Because really, unless they adopted children and are serious about setting up a family, then they don't need it. Besides, Obama needs to send government funds to education. I'm still using ancient box computers in high school and its slow pace is driving me nuts.

It's not really "all that jazz." There are a LOT of benefits that come along with marriage, as seen here. Setting up a family is a big part of it, but I'm one to focus on the medical and death benefits as someone who is a realist rather than an optimist. I have a history of serious health problems, so it gives me some peace of mind. There are literally over a thousand benefits when you get married, many of them a big deal. Many of them important to a serious relationship that is hopefully going to be around forever. They might not NEED it, but why do straight couples need it? You could say having kids, but a gay couple is just as likely to have kids as a straight couple, in my opinion. There just aren't a lot of 'accidents.' ;)

I decide whether or not I like people based on their personalities, not their sexualities.

Originally Posted by Tsundere

I decide whether or not I like people based on their personalities, not their sexualities.

That's a good idea, because there are people that I don't like who are part of minority groups but that's not why I dislike them, I dislike them because we don't get along, our ideas clash in very bad ways and they are pretty rude about it.

Originally Posted by Love4Dreams

I won't say anymore because if I go too far I might be considered flaming...

Is Homosexuality A Sin

If you go by that definition, then yes, being a homosexual is a sin. But you have to remember that the Bible was written by humans with their own biases and over many generations, all with their own radical ideas of what the Bible should say. It is not divine writ. There are churches who embrace homosexuals because they recognize our right to religion and salvation. And you cannot sincerely believe that they are wrong just because they do this. They are following Jesus' teachings. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." They are putting themselves alongside the ones that people believe to be the lepers of modern society, to better understand and know Christ. In my opinion, they are most exemplifying God's work.

Let us replace "homosexuals" with "the homeless" for a minute. Many people would believe that someone who is homeless is in such a state because of their sins: disobedient to their parents, drug addictions, gambling, unfaithfulness. But how many homeless shelters are run by churches? And of those church-run shelters, how many of them force their tenants to attend Mass every Sunday? They don't do it to convert the sinners to Christ. They do it because they genuinely want to help. They do it because they are so filled with the love of their Saviour that they just want to be charitable.

These, to me, are good Christians. And in the same light, Christians who befriend homosexuals with no intent to convert them are doing God's work, just like missionaries to the homeless with no intent to convert are doing God's work.

Using religion to support an argument where the majority of your audience isn't religious is like comparing apples and eggs. You can't go to a hell you don't believe in. Not to be rude against those who are religious, but to those of us who aren't its like quoting the opinion of an imaginary friend.

Your argument is invalid.

Originally Posted by HabloPicasso

I don't like it when couples of any kind kiss and make out in public. In the end, I don't care that much about lesbians though I get mildly annoyed when they demand that the government recognize their marriages so that they could get tax cuts and all that jazz that straight couples do. Because really, unless they adopted children and are serious about setting up a family, then they don't need it. Besides, Obama needs to send government funds to education. I'm still using ancient box computers in high school and its slow pace is driving me nuts.

I don't want to get married for the benefits. I want to get married to that I can point her out in a crowd and say "That's my wife."

As far as tax cuts go, some of us would benefit from them. I work at Walmart. I make 8.50 an hour. Sometimes I only work ten hours a week. We're on food stamps and can still hardly make ends meet. Because of Indiana laws, if someone finds out that I'm gay and they don't like it, I can lose my job. Just because we don't have children doesn't mean we don't have the struggle. But that is not why I want to have the right to be married.

As an American, I am guaranteed Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. However, because of the opinions of the people in the town that I live in, my job is under threat of termination, my life is under threat by people who feel that I am going to Hell. I am denied the simple social liberties of marriage, divorce, adoption. My pursuit of happiness is a complete dead-end.

I want to have marriage rights because I refuse to be a second-class citizen based on who I love.

Obama is only one man. When it comes to where funding goes, the bill has to be passed through Congress. He does have the final signoff on where funding goes, but it has to get to him first. Then, if he does send more funding to the schools, its a matter of local government whether or not the funding goes to pay for new computers, better lunch meals, or to pay the wages of the horribly underpaid teaching staff.

When I was in high school, we had CRT monitors. If I needed to do research on something and needed a faster computer, I went elsewhere. Like the public library. Some libraries will let you use a loaner laptop. Or I asked a friend if I could use their computer. Or... honestly, I would go looking in a book. Books are awesome. It was generally a stupid idea to be using the school computers for anything other than research.

Originally Posted by Jovial

It's not really "all that jazz." There are a LOT of benefits that come along with marriage, as seen here. Setting up a family is a big part of it, but I'm one to focus on the medical and death benefits as someone who is a realist rather than an optimist. I have a history of serious health problems, so it gives me some peace of mind. There are literally over a thousand benefits when you get married, many of them a big deal. Many of them important to a serious relationship that is hopefully going to be around forever. They might not NEED it, but why do straight couples need it? You could say having kids, but a gay couple is just as likely to have kids as a straight couple, in my opinion. There just aren't a lot of 'accidents.' ;)

If straight couples reproduced as fast as gay ones, then we're going to be looking at a Japan-like population in the future. :O

Originally Posted by HabloPicasso

If straight couples reproduced as fast as gay ones, then we're going to be looking at a Japan-like population in the future. :O

Artificial insemination and surrogate mothers are common in relationships where two people cannot reproduce, and that goes for straight infertile couples as well as same-sex couples. Additionally, many people go through their first marriage to someone of the opposite sex before realizing that they are not attracted to the opposite sex and in that time have children of their own. A lot of gay couples I know do have children from previous marriages. So, yes. Gay couples are just as likely to have children as straight ones.

Honestly? Lesbians sometimes make me feel really uncomfortable. Maybe I just happen to run into the wrong ones, but..many experiences I've had where they mistake me for one and assume they can invade my personal space and/or get physical with me in ways I'd prefer not to. More than one's left with a black eye. <3 But that's not to say that I won't treat a lesbian the same way I would a straight chick. I've found a couple lesbian girls that I can get along with- one of them I work with....she swears she'll take me to a club, I'm like..."no way. ><"( I hate clubs.) Ahem. I don't have any real opinion, but I much prefer being around gay guys than lezzies. They don't try to molest me?

That kind of amused me. I have only had a few lesbians hit on me, and it was to get a rise out of me or because... well... she's my girlfriend. Seems like a personality thing to me. xD

I do not get along well with flamboyently gay men. Our personalities just don't mesh well. Or maybe its because my current roommate who is quite unsubtle about his sexuality (at all) has been mooching off of me for a year. Could be either. >____>

I must ask?
Why would you post a thread like this?
I am not really sure there is a reason to question people as to what their opinion is towards lesbians is?
I kind of find it a little offensive, I am not a lesbian myself, but what have you got against them to make a thread like this?

Originally Posted by Hyena

That kind of amused me. I have only had a few lesbians hit on me, and it was to get a rise out of me or because... well... she's my girlfriend. Seems like a personality thing to me. xD

I do not get along well with flamboyently gay men. Our personalities just don't mesh well. Or maybe its because my current roommate who is quite unsubtle about his sexuality (at all) has been mooching off of me for a year. Could be either. >____>

I personally think a lot of flamboyant men are just acting that way to subscribe to what gay culture supposedly is. Or that lisp. Why do they have lisps? Are half of gay men from Barcelona?
Besides, I find flamboyancy grating, regardless of if we're talking about the 'gay' kind or not.

LESBIANS!!!!!
... I mean, yeah. I got a few friends who are lesbian. One of my CLOSEST friends is a lesbian. I may not be, but you know what? I still love her, she's been my friend since the fourth grade, ten years later we still catch up with coffee and gossip. It's not that she's a lesbian that makes me like her, it's WHO SHE IS. I could care less who she liked, as long as they treated her well.
So what I'm saying is that I don't CARE if someone is gay or straight or genderqueer or whatever they identify as, I don't. I really don't care about that. What I care about is the person, who they are, how they treat others. If I find a person grating, it's because of their personality not their lifestyle choices.
Take my life motto: If you're happy, then I'm happy for you, so long as you didn't hurt anybody in the process.

@PrincessBane-
I imagine a fair amount of it comes from the fact that one can not readily look at a person and identify their sexuality. As such of the few times I have been able to recognize a male is into males most have been when they have been making advances on me. In one instance this irritated me a lot, as they were aware I was in a relationship at the time. Also I was still very innocent when it comes to sexual things. So them sending me texts detailing what they wanted to do was quite upsetting. Although my point is, that I am sure I have met many others and been oblivious to it.

Originally Posted by Hermes

I personally think a lot of flamboyant men are just acting that way to subscribe to what gay culture supposedly is. Or that lisp. Why do they have lisps? Are half of gay men from Barcelona?
Besides, I find flamboyancy grating, regardless of if we're talking about the 'gay' kind or not.

I would say that that has a bit to do with it (living up to the stereotype, not being from Barcelona,) but not all of it. With my roommate, I don't think its conscious. He actively hates the gay stereotype, but begins many an exciteable sentence with "Oh. My. God." Though, that may very easily come from being a spoiled brat. Don't really know, honestly...

Thing is, I know women that do that Oh. My. God. thing though. D:

Originally Posted by Crimson Fang

@PrincessBane-
I imagine a fair amount of it comes from the fact that one can not readily look at a person and identify their sexuality. As such of the few times I have been able to recognize a male is into males most have been when they have been making advances on me. In one instance this irritated me a lot, as they were aware I was in a relationship at the time. Also I was still very innocent when it comes to sexual things. So them sending me texts detailing what they wanted to do was quite upsetting. Although my point is, that I am sure I have met many others and been oblivious to it.

Well...according to people I work with and/or go to school with, I look like I'd be one...? It's mostly because I'm not really afraid or bothered by commenting on whether I think a woman's beautiful or has a nice figure. It's just because I am confident enough in my sexuality to be able to appreciate someone more attractive than myself. But I could never....like women in that way. c.c Plus, it's kinda a blow to what little self-esteem I have when I can't seem to attract men, but women come and flirt with me- taking advtange of how shy I am, yea? I don't have anything against them, though.

@Hyena- Lol I love flamboyant gay guys...I have a friend who's one and like...he came over to my workplace and he was like "HEEEY RAAVEEEENNNN....I LUUUUVV YEEEWW..." And I was like..."I LUV YEW TOOOO" And it was funny because he was shouting this over the heads of several older peoples, while wearing a purple bandanna and all sorts of odd clothings...

Originally Posted by Miss Eerie

I must ask?
Why would you post a thread like this?
I am not really sure there is a reason to question people as to what their opinion is towards lesbians is?
I kind of find it a little offensive, I am not a lesbian myself, but what have you got against them to make a thread like this?

I have nothing against Lesbians, as I am one myself.
Try not to find it offensive, because all I wanted to see is what people think about them. This has turned into some kind of riot over me asking a few other people what their opinions on Lesbians are. /x

@PrincessBane-
My point was more that until someone does something overt enough to bring attention to the detail that they are a lesbian, it is easy enough to be oblivious to that feature of them. However I acknowledge your point that public perception of you being a lesbian yourself, and apparently a desirable one at that, renders my point less valid for your particular circumstance. Oh and on the point of people misrepresenting your sexuality, I can totally empathize with you on that.