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Old 07-26-2011, 01:32 PM

A lot of people say that they are the same thing and it really gets me ticked. What I don't understand is how many religions say that people under both of these categories are doomed to hell, purgatory, and wherever else the "non-believers" go. What are your opinions on this?

(I'm agnostic)

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Old 07-26-2011, 01:55 PM

I believe that an athiest believes there is no God, and someone who is agnostic, isn't sure what to believe. I'm sorry it ticks you off that religious people believe you are going to hell, but it's because that is what the Bible states. A true believer doesn't just choose bits and peices of the Bible to believe, they believe the whole thing haha Hence believing you will be going to hell if you don't find God.

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Old 07-26-2011, 01:58 PM

Those "a lot of people" are wrong, because they're not the same thing.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:00 PM

Believe me, I know. That's why it angers me so much.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:03 PM

Maybe they dont realize that it's not the same. Inform them of the facts and then they will know and stop going around telling everyone that it's the same thing looking like morons.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:10 PM

I have, but the way people are.. I'm sure you know that. Some people are so stupporn they wouldnt know the truth
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:20 PM

Haha yeah, well when it comes to God and the Bible, there will always be controversy, but when it comes to the difinition of a word, people need to pick up a dictionary... I mean, it's not up for debate haha

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:25 PM

I've told them the dictionary definition. But according to my uncle
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They are the same thing because no matter what one you are God is not in your life. you are going to hell
thats when i told him
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:33 PM

That's not being judged, the Bible states that if you don't believe in God you are going to hell, it also states that you are supposed to take into your own hands, telling people so and helping them to get on the right path. So your uncle is doing the right thing. But either way, they still are not the same thing, what he should have said was, "Yes they mean different things, but still mean you don't have God in your life which does mean that upon the day of your judgement you will be scentenced to hell." Don't be mad at your uncle, he isn't the on scentencing you.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:35 PM

man can not condem, only "he" can.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:35 PM

If sounds to me like he is. Atheists flat out don't believe in the existence of a deity, as for agnostics, they don't see any proof in any direction. They don't reject the idea, they just don't see any proof.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:40 PM

No one is condeming you, they are simply telling you what is written in the Bible.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:43 PM

I'tt tell you my standpoint on a diety if you want to hear it Kya

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:43 PM

If you say it like that, then no religious person condemns anyone, they just say what's in the bible whenever they point fingers and claim other people are going to hell.

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Old 07-26-2011, 03:30 PM

I'm agnostic in the sense that i choose to believe in god, or at least the concept of it, but i openly acknowledge that there is absolutely no proof and that I'm almost certainly dead wrong. Just because i choose to believe something doesn't mean that i KNOW it is or isn't true. Agnosticism is about knowledge, and when it comes to the concept of god, that's really all it is. A concept. There is no true knowledge involved.
In my experience it all has to do with the whole doubt thing. Even though there is a big difference between atheism and agnosticism, there is still the overall doubt of "gods word" and all that. At the church i went to as a child at least, doubting god in any sense was a big no no. If god has infinitely powerful, had infinite knowledge, and "wrote" the bible, then doubting any part of the "good book" is sinful. So really, to them at least, it doesn't matter much if you feel there is no proof or if you just flat out don't believe, its still means your "going to hell."
Also, on a different note, people have often told me that because i don't worship their god that, not only am i going to hell, I'm also never going to be able to be truly happy in this life. Its the idea that without "accepting Jesus into your heart" you can never be a complete person. Ive been given the, "Well, you think your happy, but your really not," speech way more times than I can count. THIS pisses me off. When they tell me I'm going to hell, I don't care so much. That's just their default response and it doesn't really mean much to me. But, who are you to say that you know me better than i know myself? How do you know that I'm not happy? To me that is just the most arrogant, narcissistic thing in the world to say.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:00 PM

I'll hear it Angel :] And Neuzak, there is a difference in pointing to someone and yelling, "Your going to hell!" and simply stating, "The Bible says you will go to hell if you do not believe in God." It's like if someone kills a cat and one person points and yells, "You killed a cat!" and another simply states, "You took a life away from a cat." It doesn't change anything at all, the cat is still dead and that person still killed it. Your just upset because the first person didn't hold your hand and try to candy coat it for you.

EDIT: Nekochan5345, God didn't write the Bible...

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:01 PM

Kya: its myy own uncle. i wouldnt care if it was anyone else. ist my own family!

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:04 PM

It really doesn't matter who says it if it's the truth, your family of all people should be concerned for you if they believe your going to hell.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:09 PM

its only him. my other family members say that my standpoint and reasoning behind it is very "educated"

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:09 PM

@Kya Katsumi
Of course god didn't write the bible. People did. But people have also said, "Well god wrote in the bible that (insert quote here)" to me. Grated, i understand that they weren't saying this literally, that's why i put it in quotes if you didn't notice :) And i understand what they mean when they said it. They believe that Gods word and will comes through people in contact with him and those are the people who originally told the stories in the bible that were later written down. But that really doesnt change the point that i was trying to make.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:14 PM

I believe you Angil, and I'm sure your asking all the right questions, as I once did myself. Have you tried to read the Bible? They even make easier to read versions of it.

Neko, I guess I'm not entirely understanding the point you were trying to convey :sweat:

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:21 PM

yes. Ive read the bible.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:26 PM

My point there was that, regardless of what kind of doubt you have, all doubt is considered sinful to people who believe that the bible is gods unquestionable word. Because, if the bible comes from gods will, and gods will is infallible and undeniable, doubting it is bad. Questioning is considered a lack of faith, at least according to the churches Ive been to, and a lack of faith is what "condemns" people so to speak. So it doesn't matter if your atheist or agnostic because you don't believe without question. I.e. Atheism and agnostics are essentially the same sort of sin and kind of the same thing from that perspective.

Sorry if i wasn't clear, i was just trying to answer with my take on Angels original question.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:29 PM

i just think religion is pointless. its started wars in the past.

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:30 PM

I agree that they're not the same.

I consider myself to be a weak agnostic.
It's unknown whether deities exist and that's just that.
Maybe one day we'll know, but right now we don't.

I do lean more on the side of theism though. I believe in God. Just because I don't see any proof of His existence doesn't mean I don't believe in Him. And really, I don't need proof. It's a belief.
Basically, I'm not doubting His existence, I'm just stating that there's no proof He exists. But no proof doesn't waver my belief in Him.

 


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