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Lynn StarDragon
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04-06-2012, 10:18 PM
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PokeFarm.
To make a very long, complicated story short:
I have a friend. She is a visual artist. The owner of the site put up a want add for artists, offering monies for artz done. She took the job. She -did- the job. She did more of her job, doing arts for 50+ pokemon, than what people might have been hired on for. (Base price was X Dollars/British Sterling Pounds per 1 pokemon. 50 pokemon it capped out, and then it was Y amount per pokemon after that.)
It's been over 3 months, if not since sometime last December, and he has still not paid her. He also never said anything about rejecting her artwork for being not what he was looking for. She's been reminding him once a month, or every few weeks, and he's always saying he's too busy to pay her.
Too busy. . . . to spend 5 minutes, on paypal, and send her the money owned. And it's been over 3 months, and her artwork wasn't rejected, nor was she told to stop working on the project, nor has he outright said he's not paying for one reason or another.
Oh, and now he's just started up a contest, open to the whole site, to get people to draw more of the same, for the same project he hired my friend and other artists on for last year. Yeah. He wants to get free art, and it's not cool if he says he's going to pay for something, than never does. It would be one thing if he was up front about it not paying anything, but he said that he would pay the artists for any of the work they did. Any. He even wanted them to send in samples first for quality control, so it's not like he can have people do a ton of pokemon, and then turn around as say, 'your art was ----- my 4 year old cousin could draw, so I'm not paying'. That's what the samples were for, so he could have a preview the artist's work/style, and say if he wanted them to work on the project--which he would then pay them for, per pokemon--or if he wanted to politely decline with something to the sound of, 'your art isn't what we're looking for, but thanks for applying!'
So, yes, I'm not going back to the site, since even if I don't spend money on it anymore, just by being there, and seeing the adds, I'm helping to pay for the site.
TL;DR
Sorry if that rant didn't make any sense. PokeFarm's owner basically is breaking a contract he made with my friend, and not paying her money owed for work done.
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CosmicFoxKitty
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04-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Wow... can't she bring a lawyer into it?
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04-06-2012, 10:28 PM
Your friend should start getting a portion of the payment upfront :x Also, did she consider outright suing him? She has the grounds to do so and all she has to do is show the court her contract.
As for the owner, what a scumbag. He takes advantage of artists who don't know any better. Via either outright taking artwork or scamming them through a "contest" (We call that crowd sourcing.)
Hopefully people wise up and take that dirtbag of a website owner down.
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CosmicFoxKitty
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04-06-2012, 10:31 PM
O.o I don't know much about what is being talked about.
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Lynn StarDragon
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04-06-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't know what legal standing she has, as the guy is based in the UK, so the laws are different.
Also, while she could get payment up front in the future, this time she could not, since she was being payed based on how much she ended up doing.
She doesn't have another job, and she was only able to grab 6 (maybe 8) pokemon at a time, to claim she was wroking on them. She was apperently doing 3 - 4 pokemon for every 1 MOST of the other artists did because, as said, she has no other job.
She's doing well enough, so luckily it's not like she needed the money to make rent, but she's at the Sakura-Con Anime Convention this weekend, and she was trying to get paid before going off to it--you know, extra money for food or fan-comics (not going to attempt spelling).
@Citrus Hammer : Oh, this isn't the first time the guy tried to do that. Last year, he started a contest, saying clearly that the site needed a new banner. He put down clear rules, telling everyone they would have a week to work on it, and that he would gather up 'the best' and put it to a vote. He also made it clear if there would be a prize, or not, or if they would just have credit for all of eternity or something, which would at least look good in their artist portfolio.
He ended up shutting it down not even 8 hours later, because the thread was flooded by anyone on the site who had access to Photoshop, even if they could barely use it. He ended up screaming at everyone, calling all of them idiots, and asking if they didn't understand why he said he gave them a week to turn in quality work, rather than slapping something (or in his words 'Crap') together in 30 minutes, and putting it up for the contest. He ended up picking the one he felt looked the best, and that's what the site has now.
I and my other friends laughed about it, and I remember saying he got what he paid for. I could clearly see he just wanted free art for his site, and because of that, there was not quality control. He shouldn't have been surprised that happened. He should have announced it, then locked the thread until it was the day of the deadline. Then no one would have posted anything until it was time.
On the other side, my friends even said that time does not always equal quality. I've seen her livestreaming. She has done wonders with SAI in only a few hours.
I'm just said that PokeFarm is riddled with so much fail, and because of other non-art based issues too.
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04-06-2012, 10:54 PM
Why would people even want to be around for that!?!?!?!
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StrangeMwarn
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04-06-2012, 11:01 PM
Hello meh people!
I see you've already gave up the goose, ashtyn, lol.
Very nice avatar may i add.
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04-06-2012, 11:05 PM
Why thank you :3 was I not suppose to put them on yet? Im sorry!
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StrangeMwarn
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04-06-2012, 11:10 PM
Oh, don't worry, that was my version of a goose pun, lol.
So how're you doin'?
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CosmicFoxKitty
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04-06-2012, 11:17 PM
I bit upset... recently people have been bullying more than normal and its getting to me. Im eighteen. It shouldn't... but its rather harsh.
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StrangeMwarn
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04-06-2012, 11:19 PM
Ah, if i were you i'd try not to worry about it.
They only bully you because they're jealous, you know that right?
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04-06-2012, 11:23 PM
I suppose.... but being called fat almost all your life is hard... recently people have been saying how pretty I am (like friends) then this guy found out my eating habits and is spreading a rumor that im anorexic and everyone calls me fat.... ugh. There is no winning. If its jealousy its stupid.
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Lynn StarDragon
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04-06-2012, 11:44 PM
@Ashtyn Leigh : I don't know. Maybe they are/were like me, and they come to the site knowing nothing, only to find out the true horrors the longer they stick around. Maybe they don't feel the problems affect them, or if they just don't pay for the site, they are not supporting it, and still able to hang out with their friends.
Also, *hugs* I've been where you are. I wasn't called fat, but I was called other things. People can be relentless and unfeeling. Do not give up. Remember this, the prom kings and queens have things handed to them. When they get out into the real world, where it is NOT a popularity contest, they will not be able to take the easy road any longer. You, who have had to deal with people belittling you, you who have had to deal with people working against you, you know how the real world works, and they have been preparing you for it.
Hold onto your goals, and your ideals, because you're going to make it when they fall. Your true friends will never abandon you, no matter who you are now, or grow to be.
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04-06-2012, 11:49 PM
You're right.... its just hard sometimes to remember.
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Lynn StarDragon
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04-07-2012, 12:05 AM
T.T *hugs*
At least you have your online friends and family, along with your real life friends and family to help you remember? We're here for you!
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04-07-2012, 02:16 AM
I love you all :heart: thanks!
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04-07-2012, 02:40 AM
*sneaks in*
*waves anyone randomly* :D
What's everyone up too?? :boogie:
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CosmicFoxKitty
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04-07-2012, 02:49 AM
Nothing. Spending the night at a friends
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whiteDevilz
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04-07-2012, 02:54 AM
Ouh. Cool ~ Night? o.o
Eh. Forgot about the different time zone. xD
It's 11:06 a.m. at my place. xD
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04-07-2012, 02:56 AM
It is 9:58 p.m. here lol
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StrangeMwarn
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04-07-2012, 03:46 AM
It's 11:48 here XD.
Man, we're all screwed up, lol.
Last edited by StrangeMwarn; 04-07-2012 at 03:51 AM..
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Kirin Rosenbaum
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04-07-2012, 03:57 AM
Hey everybody. How are you all doing? I am doing well. I am working on my third set of eggs. I have one for me have given one away and am going to give this set away as well.
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Lynn StarDragon
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04-07-2012, 04:22 AM
Good luck, Kirin!
<.< Now that Mene is winding down for the 'night', I'll have to find other places I can post.
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StrangeMwarn
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04-07-2012, 04:26 AM
Mene can't wind down with me bouncing around everywhere :XD
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04-07-2012, 05:22 AM
Its defiantly been busy
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