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Old 03-11-2012, 05:53 AM

THIS CONTAINS SOME MAJOR SPOILERS, IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW, DON'T READ!

WARNING: This is some major ranting. Please don't flame. As much as I respect your opinions, I would only like to hear a calm, civil disagreement if you have any.

So, I've finished Mass Effect 3, and I thought it was pretty epic. I mean, the combat wasn't really all that hot... and I really would have liked a bit more romance (Hopeless romantic with an insatiable turian fetish, what do you expect?), but overall it was a really amazing game. And yes, it may have been a bit short, but it was great nevertheless, and it tied up things nicely... Or at least, that's what I think.

Now a bunch of people are complaining about the sucky endings in Mass Effect 3. I'm not so sure what exactly they're addressing, though. Yes, the cutscene with the war ending was a bit shorter than I would have liked, and the two people talking about Shepard was a little weird, but I don't get it. I mean, the whole Normandy crashing thing and the door opening was a bit frustrating at first, and I think that it could have definitely been left out, or expanded a bit, but to make this much fuss over such a little thing is childish. I realize that there will not be another game, and the ending was a huge cliffhanger that will never be revealed, and I agree that it was unfair of Bioware to create such a story twist. I understand why everyone was so angry about it, because I too was mad. But to go around to every site that has content of Mass Effect 3 and troll as much as possible is childish and cruel. Bioware worked really hard to create an amazing game for an amazing series, and I know for a fact that almost all you trolls loved the rest of the game as much as me.

And think, this is only a couple days after this came out. Maybe they'll add a DLC that helps tie up ends with the Normandy crash. And if not, just think about it for a minute. What makes you so angry about it, hmm? The fact that you loved the game so much that you wanted it to keep going, or at least to know what had happened to the Normandy. And if you hated the game as much as you claim you do, you wouldn't be so upset about it would you?

And if it's not the Normandy crash you're all so upset about, what the heck is it? Was it the hard choice between control or destruction? The choice to kill yourself, the Mass Relays, and every synthetic in the world; and the choice to control it all? Was it too much for such simple, combat-driven players? Were the true story-driven gamers the only ones who could appreciate the hard choices you had to make throughout the (may I say, very accurate) war scenario? I'm sorry if this may offend you, but I just simply can't conceive why you all think that the ending was so unjustly horrible!

And if you, yeah you who's reading this, is one of the people who are roaming through the entire internet, trolling ever bit of ME3 content, will you please just cut the shit (excuse my language) out and please just let us gamers who actually found the experience enjoyable to appreciate the accomplishment without the muck that is spreading everywhere and dirtying the minds of the people who haven't had the privilege to play the game yet. Thank you.

And if you are one of the gamers out there that like the game, or even someone that still didn't like the ending, but are chivalrous enough to not help the trolls out there dirty the internet and Bioware's reputation, I thank you and apologize for having to read this rant. You deserve better.

So does Bioware, for creating such a memorable game. Just a word of advice for future references, don't leave a cliffhanger like that on a series' end.

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Old 03-11-2012, 09:18 AM

I didn't read any of your rant except the end(seeing as I haven't even started my Mass Effect 3 game...stupid ME2 and people dieing when they shouldn't), but from the ending, all I can really comment is that Bioware did(at some point) mention that they may have more plans for the Mass Effect universe, just that Commander Shepherds story ends with this third game.

Now, before you ask for a source, I can't recall the exact article, but I THINK it was a EGM article that was linked through the X-Box Facebook Page some time ago.

And as for your whole rant...I will actually read the whole thing when I do complete the game, and then post my additions/comments to it. :P

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Old 03-11-2012, 03:02 PM

Good thing you didn't too, I wouldn't want to be responsible for ruining your experiance just for a silly rant. I remember reading somewhere that they might continue it as well, but I don't want to get my hopes up. When a game series creates it supposed last when it was designed to be only three when it first came out, and then one or two rumors start spreading that it may be continued, I don't like to count on it.

I won't say anything about ME3's ending, but the way they cut it off I doubt there'll be another story. And even if here was another one that had absolutley nothing to do with the first three games, I don't know if I'd buy it. Sure, it'd be Mass Effect in name, but it wouldn't be Mass Effect. There'd have to be a complete new set of characters, new plots and new bad guys. They might mention someone here and there, but I would go through the whole game thinking, "Where are my friends?! I want Garrus! I want EDI! I want Joker! I want SHEPARD!!"

I'm very emotional when it comes to games like this, ha ha.

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Old 03-11-2012, 10:40 PM

You really need to be more specific. Which ending are you upset with? There's sixteen different scenarios. Some of the endings are very similar, granted, but there's still some serious differences.

I also noticed that you didn't mention the synergy ending, which is actually my favorite, because allegedly Shep lives through it and the reapers don't have to be controlled OR destroyed.

The ending I actually got resulted in Shep dying; I was upset because I had spent 2 and 3 romancing Garrus, and I was more mad that Shep's relationship couldn't continue more than I was mad about the fact that she sacrificed herself (Garrus even ordered her not to die!). I mean, trade your life to save the universe? Reasonable enough. But I had a lot of emotional attachment invested in her romantic life. I just wanted her to have a happy ending with Garrus so they could retire somewhere tropical and adopt Krogan babies.

Also, you can have Mass Effect without the relays. The mass effect was caused by element zero, and that wasn't destroyed. In theory, they could rebuild the relays, even the Citadel.

Honestly, if there is another Mass Effect, my guess is that it would be in one of the "earlier" cycles. Perhaps the Prothean cycle? Jarvik says a lot of interesting things that contradict what the characters thought they knew about the Prothean age.

I think the worst "kick in the balls" that Bethesda pulled was that they insisted that you'd be able to get the "perfect ending" without multiplayer. I really don't think it's possible, even with the Jarvik expansion, and I've been watching around the interwebs and I haven't seen anyone else on single player get it either. I have seen a lot of professional gaming journalists say it's not possible though. I don't want to keep getting DLC just so I can get a perfect ending when Bethesda said from the get-go that it would be possible without multiplayer. Ugh.

Also: High five for Turian fetish ;D

Unrelated funny story: I romanced Garrus, my husband romanced Tali, and I found out that if Shep doesn't romance either of them, they romance each other. It's like we were meant to be! :rofl:

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Old 03-12-2012, 05:41 AM

On Keyori's funny story.. Super awkward walking in on those two.

On the rest of it, I sacrificed myself, and honestly, I was quite satisfied. Femshep is going to be with Thane across the sea, and the rest of it will work out eventually. It's obvious that Bioware will release something to tie up loose ends like "what the heck happened to all those other races left on earth when the relays exploded?"

Curious; what's this Synergy ending?

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Old 03-12-2012, 03:05 PM

Synergy is where you basically create new life and everyone becomes organic-synthetic hybrids (which Shep basically already is due to the Cerberus reconstruction). It doesn't destroy or control the reapers. Allegedly Shep can live through that ending and the final scene after the Normandy crash shows Shep with love interest holding hands (if there is no love interest, it's Joker and EDI, provided you were able to get EDI to realize her "personhood" and get her and Joker to romance).

EDIT:
My husband found this. It pretty much describes what I went through (and am still going through really)



I want that pillow :ninja:

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Old 03-17-2012, 03:55 AM

Oh! Very cool! Need that ending...

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Old 03-18-2012, 04:59 AM

I just beat it.
Decided to blow up the power conduit and destroy all synthetics. Which was basically a galactic-scale EMP.
Here are my thoughts on it. Anyone who is left alive still possesses knowledge of how thing were and worked, meaning technology could be build up again.
Like it was mentioned above, the mass relays and mass effect cores for ships run on Element Zero. If that can be found and harnessed, that would be a start to rebuilding civilization.
Right at the end, the camera zoomed into a small visible portion of Shepard's armor with a N7 dog tag amongst some rubble. And she breathed. I don't know what this means for the future of Mass Effect, but perhaps more will be revealed in the future.

I really want to know what happened with everyone as well. When Shep got blasted with the reaper beam near the end, what happened to the 2 squad mates you had with you? What about all the others you didn't bring along?

Anyway, I can see how people would be annoyed because there's still a lot of loose threads, but I don't understand the outright raging at the game. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. It was a great experience rallying up all the different races for a huge battle.

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Old 03-18-2012, 09:15 AM

I just finished it...and that ending, I gotta say...was disappointing.

I did the same thing as Arkkath, by destroying the conduit, and would LOVE to know how Ashley Williams got to be on the Normandy...when she was in my squad when I was running to the conduit! Sure, she might have been picked up...but there is no way in hell that ANY ship would have been able to land there with the reapers flying around, not to mention the fact that her and James would have been vaporized(unless similar to Shepard they were just badly wounded and what not).

Though...I'm going to go through it again, this time using the strategy guide to get 100% of EVERYTHING I can. Hopefully, there is a good ending there.

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:37 AM

Actually, I was wondering the same thing about Liara....

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Old 03-19-2012, 05:01 PM

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Anyone who is left alive still possesses knowledge of how thing were and worked, meaning technology could be build up again.
Like it was mentioned above, the mass relays and mass effect cores for ships run on Element Zero. If that can be found and harnessed, that would be a start to rebuilding civilization.
The biggest problem is that there is no element zero in the Sol system. That's why it took humans so long to be able to use the relays. And basically all of the galaxy's military is now stuck in that system (and presumably the Krogan are all in Australia :rofl:). The largest cache of element zero is in Thessia's system, which is why the Asari were the first to get around and eventually claim the Citadel (which, depending on the ending, doesn't exist anymore for the most part). But, we saw Thessia basically get wiped out, and the remaining Asari also went to help reclaim Earth.

Additionally, in ME1 it was basically stated that no one actually knew how the relays worked. The only option to be able to rebuild is for the Asari to study the Citadel's relay (if the Citadel wasn't destroyed), because they are the only ones with a long enough life time to be able to do extended development and to be able to transport element zero from other systems (since fast travel is no longer possible and it would take centuries to move it to the appropriate places).

Now, the other interesting way to go about it would be if Shep controlled the Reapers, since they allegedly built the relays. That would probably be the quickest way to rebuild them, if it's even possible.

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... [I] would LOVE to know how Ashley Williams got to be on the Normandy...when she was in my squad when I was running to the conduit! Sure, she might have been picked up...but there is no way in hell that ANY ship would have been able to land there with the reapers flying around, not to mention the fact that her and James would have been vaporized(unless similar to Shepard they were just badly wounded and what not).
This is one of my biggest issues, too. Even if they were wounded, they sure as hell looked ship-shape when they stepped off the Normandy.

And since when does Joker leave Shep behind? WTF? How did everyone get from the ground to the Normandy anyway (especially the ones that bum-rushed the portal and presumably died)? And how did Anders beat you to the Citadel?

I am personally a fan of the theory that everything from the floating platform on is just some sort of dream sequence.

I do think though that I am one of the only people that liked Buzz Aldrin talking to the child at the very end though. It lends credence to the theory that the floating platform part is just completely made up and basically didn't happen (especially if Shep dies) since it's unlikely anyone knew what happened in that part.

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Old 03-31-2012, 03:20 AM

Okay, so I think I know a bit more about why people disliked the ending so much. I decided to go even more in-depth about things and I realized that everything that people were upset about I was too. I mean, it's the kind of thing where at first you're like, "What? Man, that stinks..." and then you think about it more and you realize just how much you didn't like it.

So here's what I've come up with: Closure.

There are a humungous number of complaints about the endings, but what I find most talked about (and what bothered me the most) was the lack of closure. They didn't show what happened to the krogen after the genophage (whatever you chose), they didn't show the rachni, or Palaven, or any of the major and minor decisions you had to make throughout the entire franchise. And I think what put people off the most was that Bioware promised the closer, and yet there wasn't any. And Bioware is known for making the decisions in their games count, but they completely ignored it here. And there goes that little, "Yeah, I guess that was pretty bad..." meter in my head.

Now, don't get me wrong. I still am not justifying the trolling some people are doing. But I do understand where they're coming from. But I would like to point out that it is wrong, in my opinion, to ask Bioware to make DLC for it. I once read somewhere that Bioware is like an artist. They create something wonderful, but a small detail in a crucial part just doesn't sit well with some people. Is this artist expected to go back and change their work? No. So why would Bioware want to change their art? Now I know a lot of people are going to argue that it's different, and they'd be right. But the general idea is there, and whether you like it or not, you know it's at least partially true.

And Bioware does say that they're hearing you. They are listening, and they realize that fans are important. But what we must understand, is that if we show such hatred and cruelty towards them, do you really think that they'd be more encouraged to please us? I sure wouldn't be...

Just to answer Keyori, the ending I got was the control synthetics. I didn't do any mulitplayer, so I think that would leave me at 50%, wouldn't it? (Sorry, I was way out of my element there...) I wasn't full renegade or paragon, and I didn't have high enough persuation points to talk good to the Illusive Man. (I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.) Anderson died, and at the end, the Normandy crashed on the planet like normal, but no one stepped out of it like I've heard people say. I just assumed it was Joker about to walk out, but there wasn't an actual appearance. And since my Shepard didn't end up with Garrus like some people talked about it you lived, I assumed she died.

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:02 PM

See, the thing about the ending is that Bioware was rushed by EA, and that's why compared to the rest of the game, the ending is sort of lacking.

Now, on the other hand, if you believe in the indoctrination theory, Bioware is actually pretty damn genius. It makes sense in my opinion. Here's a video explaining it.

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:44 PM

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Lol, I was addressing the OP, not you. Sorry for the confusion :sweat:

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Old 03-31-2012, 09:41 PM

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Lol, I was addressing the OP, not you. Sorry for the confusion :sweat:
Uh, doesn't OP mean "original post"? If so, that me. You said I needed to be specific about the ending, so I tried to be.

But if OP means something different, sorry. Got a little confused there...

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Old 03-31-2012, 10:32 PM

No, I'm the confused one. I was half-asleep when I responded; I don't know where I got the idea that you weren't the OP.

Don't post when drowsy. xD

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:57 AM

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No, I'm the confused one. I was half-asleep when I responded; I don't know where I got the idea that you weren't the OP.

Don't post when drowsy. xD
Haha, that happens to me all the time. Don't worry about it. ;)

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Old 04-01-2012, 07:03 PM

OKAY! This is completely off topic, but...



Is it just me, or do the Protheans and Falmor look somewhat the same? I know it's a longshot, but I was playing Skyrim, and I was like, "What??? He looks like a demented, bloodthirsty, PROTHEAN." Call me crazy. Maybe it's just me. *shrug*

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Old 04-02-2012, 01:49 AM

Meh, I don't really see it. I mean, the only thing they really have in common is the facial folds, which are somewhat similar but still don't really go into the same direction.

Jarvis's voice really rubbed me the wrong way. Bleh.

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Old 04-03-2012, 03:38 AM

So...apparently, they are rewriting the ending to ME3 to appease the fans(personally, I can somewhat wrap my head around it...other than the people I had running towards the beacon being on the Normandy after...).

Here is a link to the article I read:
BioWare Is Working on a Modified Mass Effect 3 Ending

 


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