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10-01-2017, 05:59 PM
Hmm I think the pencil one makes sense since it can potentially be used as a weapon by any patient who gets their hands on it? I guess the radio is better than nothing...otherwise it sounds like there would be long periods of silence without much background noise
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10-01-2017, 07:57 PM
Salvete - we must always be willing to learn... or we become complacent and bitter at those who challenge our ideas.
I avoid to hospital like the plague so I don't have much experience in them.
Ava - that sounds like an interesting idea for a mene journal perhaps ^^
I can see that. You do tend to be very noncompliant when things get bad. Fortunately we were able to help you before it got bad last time  if you don't like going then I'm glad for any time we can't help you not need to go.
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10-03-2017, 12:55 AM
Well, salvete, we have the TV on sometimes, so that creates some background noise. But still, we can only watch it at certain times of the day... And we can only watch certain things on TV like sports and old movies. :/
It helps sometimes because it's not just silence all day. And most of the time the other patients don't mind talking. The last time I went to the hospital, when I first got there a patient asked me if she could sit next to me and I said okay and she and I sat there and talked. It was nice. :)
Oh yes, Poet, I think it would definitely make an interesting Mene journal. :D
I am not usually being non-compliant on purpose. I think it's just because I get so caught up in the voices and listening to them that I don't believe anything anyone else says.
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10-03-2017, 03:46 AM
Well Ava. Let me explain noncompliance to you in a way you may find rather funny.
When I got my wisdom teeth out I was taking my Antibiotics so that I don't get an infection. My coworkers who were pharmacists were amazed that I was able to consistently take my meds at the same time 3 times a day every day for the whole time.
One of them (Having a PHD in medicine might I add) said they wouldn't be able to manage it, and that was only 15 capsules for 5 days.
Compliance is very hard when it's not part of your normal life.
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10-03-2017, 11:55 PM
oh man, i hear you about the hospital, Ava... i've only ever been in twice, but the first time i was there for a month and the second i was there for 2 weeks, and it was just. awful. i couldn't stand how the TV was always on in the group room and how there was no way to exercise, and in the winter they don't even let you go outside. and the first time i was in, they wouldn't let me have a pencil so i had to try to draw with crayons, which isn't good for the detailed kind of drawing i like to do... and back then, i had to draw every day. and i really have to listen to music every day, so not having my own ipod and having to rely on their shitty radios was the worst. it's just like... ok, i'm already going through the worst time in my life, why do i have to spend it in a depressing place where the only thing to do is talk to other people who are having just as hard of a time as i am, if not worse, and go to groups where they give me unhelpful advice that i already know. i really hated going to groups too, but i learned really fast that you really have to go to them if you wanna get discharged.
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10-04-2017, 12:33 AM
It sucks, doesn't it, Pastry? :(
I think I've been to the hospital a total of six or seven times?
Not going outside is awful too. :C One time when I was in the hospital, they let us go on a walk, but that was only if you've been there for longer than two or three weeks and only if you had an okay from the psychiatrist. Also, the first or second time I was in the adult ward, they let us swim in the pool in the children's hospital (which was connected). It was great, but that was only once. I don't think they still do that anymore. :(
I hate that the doctors want to see you going to groups, especially since groups suck. The groups we had in the hospital was every monday there was "medication education" where a psychiatrist came in and answered medication questions, then we had AA groups and some random, shitty "yoga" videos that we did in groups. But the hospital I go to isn't really designed for "yoga" or "exercise" groups of any kind. Then we also had occupational therapy, which is fun if you like drawing or painting, but I usually lose inspiration in the hospital.
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10-04-2017, 12:41 AM
oh man, swimming does sound like it must have been great! being immersed in water is such a calming experience.
on my own, i don't really go outside much, but in the hospital i get so stircrazy. i think my limit for being ok with not going outside is three days. i think everyone needs fresh air.
oh, i remember the first time i was in the hospital they took us to the gym once and made us play a bunch of weird games, but me and the friend i made just ended up sitting against the wall halfway through because our meds made us too tired to play.
yeah, i definitely tend to lose inspiration in the hospital too. i did really like when we did crafting activities though. i never really wanted to keep the stuff we made because it reminded me of being in the hospital, but it was a good way to kill time. :/ and oh man, the last time i was in they had us do chair yoga! it was so weird. i mean, it was good for the older folks who couldn't do normal yoga but as someone who really enjoys doing yoga it was just... yeah.... i mean, i still liked doing it better than some of the other stuff we had to do though, don't get me wrong.
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10-04-2017, 01:58 AM
Swimming was really fun! It felt nice to get out of the ward for a while. Even if it was just for an hour or so.
I am the same way. Haha. I love being inside and never leaving my house, but in the hospital I can't wait to get outside. Especially once I've been there for about a week. It definitely helps to have fresh air. :D I think its gets stuffy in the hospital because we can't even open the windows. :s
Oh, haha. I can understand that. My meds make me pretty tired at night too, but in the hospital I feel like tiredness is amplified by being super bored. :x
I feel the same way about the things I make in the hospital. I don't tend to keep them or I give them away because I don't like remembering how I felt when I made it.
Chair yoga is weird! I think I had the opposite problem in the hospital, they usually gave us actual yoga to do and I get dizzy when I stand up too fast from sitting or laying down so when we'd do the downward dog and then jump back up it made me so nauseous!
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10-04-2017, 04:07 AM
The medication education thing is pretty cool in my opinion. It lets you ask questions or listen and see what other people don't know.
Chair.... yoga...? Is that still yoga?
Ava boredom really does amplify lethargy it's horrible... but at the same time it makes you want to run around and move... >.< I hate that feeling.
I have that issue too with getting up too fast. I get light headed...
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10-04-2017, 09:03 PM
Medication education is okay... It just gets boring when you see a psychiatrist every week, you already ask all of your questions the first week and then after that it gets redundant. Mostly everyone who is on certain medications all ask the same questions. "Do antipsychotics shrink my brain??" is a popular one. I found that most psychiatrists will tell you that they don't and that it's actually the psychosis that will shrink your brain, but I don't know if I believe that.
I wish we did chair yoga at the hospital I usually go to. I am lazy. xD
Definitely. I usually feel extra tired in the hospital for some reason. Running around is the last thing on my mind in there... I spend most of my time in my room and I am either reading or sleeping. Last time I was there, my resident psychiatrist kept coming into my room around 12pmish and I was still sleeping and he was like, "You are always sleeping" and I said, "There's nothing else to do" and he looked at me and was like, "there's LOTS to do here". Yeah, for you, maybe... :|
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10-05-2017, 10:50 PM
Hmm. I'm not sure where that came from either but if the med shrank your brain it would get banned pretty fast i would think.
Haha that's funny. Yeah there is little options for the patients but for him there's so much work just an hour per day everything seems exciting when it's not work.
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10-06-2017, 01:22 AM
That's what they want you to think, I think the government is using medication to control people and turn them into puppets. They want to keep us quiet and dumb so they give us meds that shrink our brain and make us quiet and compliant.
It is kind of funny, I guess. Just strange that he seriously thought that there was "lots" to do there.
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10-06-2017, 04:57 AM
Well Ava, you are talking to a medical professional who works with medicine
It's not the drugs that make a patient compliant. It's how the nurses care for the patient. We are taught various destressing techniques.
I only know of one patient who underwent medical treatment that made him "quiet and dumb", and that was because if you didn't he would try to kill everyone in extremely violent outbursts. But that medication simply made him really sleepy all the time, so he didn't have energy to have his outbursts.
Also Ava I'd like to point out that if your meds "made you dumb", why is it we are able to have decent conversation? It's usually when you aren't on your meds that conversation becomes extremely repetitive.
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“Thirty-five individuals ultimately converted to psychosis and they showed a steeper rate of thinning in prefrontal cortex compared with those who did not convert and the healthy control group. Importantly, this tissue loss was not explained by exposure to antipsychotic drugs.”
“Because this differential rate of tissue loss was observed among subjects who had never been exposed to psychiatric drugs, we can conclude that the brain changes are part of the natural course of the disorder rather than being a consequence of treatment,”
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Edit - From research I've done the brain also has natural shrinkage. Shrinking by a very small percent per year. Though preventable. Seems it's linked to various diseases as well not just psychosis.
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10-06-2017, 04:22 PM
I can understand if someone dangerous needs meds to make them quiet, but I wonder why people with schizophrenia have less grey matter in their brains than "normal" people... Is it because of the meds?
Are you suggesting that the opposite happens when I take my meds? Like, meds don't make me "dumb" but make me communicate better? :s
I guess that's true... When I stop taking my meds it frustrates me because it feels like people can't understand me no matter how much I try to explain myself.
Oh... I guess that explains my earlier question then... So "schizophrenia" causes brain shrinkage?! D: So does that mean that I will get dumber each year because I am diagnosed with it? What if I don't actually have it?!
I want to stop taking my meds because I don't want my brain to shrink and I don't want to be controlled. I feel like I take too many antipsychotics anyway...
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10-06-2017, 08:15 PM
I think it's probably because a few episodes have happened before they were able to get on meds.
Yes they make you much easier to talk to. Your spelling also tends to be a lot better. I usually understand you alright, as I've spoken with people during issues like that quite a lot. Like my partner when she's sleepy her typing gets awful.
Well ava until you get to a point you are stable the doctor won't want to reduce your dose. But if you work to silence the voices through things like meditation or things like that then maybe it can be reduced over time.
The meds i think are able to counteract the brain shrinkage. As psychosis is the cause if they prevent psychosis it should help with that. But I didn't look at the exact drugs and compare.
You may also be able to look into dietary vitamins and minerals that help maintain it as well. Then you could include foods with those into your diet.
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10-07-2017, 12:40 AM
I guess that makes sense...
My hands get shaky when I don't take my meds... I don't know why, but it's hard to type when I don't take them. It's not just typing, but talking is hard too because no one understands what I am trying to say. :(
I asked my psychiatrist if he would reduce my meds, but my mom said I had to be honest with him and tell him about the voices getting louder, so I did and he increased my meds. :( I think part of the reason why the meds don't help is because I am supposed to eat when I take them in the morning and I don't... I know I am supposed to, but I just can't get myself to eat 300 calories in the morning. I don't have to eat with stelazine, but with the geodon, I am supposed to eat.
I will try looking for vitamins and such to help...
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10-07-2017, 01:19 AM
Well, I'm sure part of it is your body going through withdrawls. It is very unhealthy to stop meds suddenly as some meds can cause the issue they treat if you stop them too suddenly. like Epilepsy medications. If you stop those suddenly they cause a seizure, so at work we have to be extremely strict on making sure patients have it available.
I see, not taking them fully properly may contribute to that. I've seen meds make a patient ill if they didn't have food with their meds.
https://healthyeater.com/what_do_300...eals_look_like
Maybe this will help. It sorta shows what 300 calories looks like.
Also, something I eat often (though I get turkey), is a veggie pot pie. They are about 300 calories per serving.
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10-07-2017, 01:49 AM
I often admire how the wandering poet goes out of his way to help when he can :)
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10-07-2017, 01:53 AM
Helping others is what I do for a living.
I always try to be accommodating, caring, and helpful. But it is important to me that I get to do this of my own free will.
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10-07-2017, 02:00 AM
it's great to read those kinds of things
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10-07-2017, 02:08 AM
Compassion is a very important trait to have. Especially with my plans for the future. I'm working out details to revolutionize the medical industry... and making medical care more pleasant (so people actually want to go) is important to me. I mean... how often at the doctor/dentist do you think "wow that was comfy"
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10-07-2017, 02:26 AM
I probably think that more often than most people here do
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10-07-2017, 05:01 AM
Yes... but you're also the source of all optimism in this world.
A "white hole" to counteract the "black hole".
(Really though white holes are really cool!)
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10-07-2017, 06:36 PM
what is a white hole?
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10-07-2017, 07:51 PM
It's a type of black hole that was discovered which is not black empty space, but a bright light.
Basically they are the theoretical opposite of a black hole.
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