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Old 11-28-2014, 03:28 AM

I noticed with the arguments of the latest Sonic game and most Call of Duty games that people judge games before they even play them for themselves. Before they even know if it even is good. One side hating on it mainly cause they think it's just the same crap as before. The other side defending it cause they love the series. But I find that neither side even played the game. In fact this goes with movies and TV too. I badly don't wanna be on either side and prefer the try the stuff before I judge. It's just sad most people online stick with these preemptive arguments like whiny children. What are your thoughts?

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Old 11-29-2014, 03:27 PM

Making assumptions with no factual basis is fun?

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Old 11-29-2014, 09:51 PM

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Making assumptions with no factual basis is fun?
Doubtful!

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Old 11-29-2014, 10:20 PM

It's like this with a lot of things. Not just video games. :) For example, I know people who refuse to try foods that they have never eaten before. ^_^

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Old 12-01-2014, 03:32 AM

I hate people who do that with a passion. Until I play a game, I never say it's bad or good because I don't know. I have nothing to back it up. Even if I watched a video, that isn't enough to say a game is bad or good, You have to play it yourself. When Advanced Warfare came out, I told people my viewpoint from the rest of the series but always said, "I can't say the game is bad or good til I play it." If I just kept my guns with the 'It sucks, It's Call of Duty' Then I'd be stupid.

Sonic Boom is another example. I know a lot of people who hate it, some haven't even played it... but I enjoyed it. x.x I have a few friends who 'loved' Five Nights At Freddy's. They always talked about how scary it was, but they never actually played it... They watched videos of it being played. I was the only one to of actually loaded it up and tried it. Most who 'loved' it, after finally playing it, realized it wasn't a good game to them, despite that I personally love it.

Some people just make me facepalm.

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Old 12-01-2014, 03:51 PM

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I hate people who do that with a passion. Until I play a game, I never say it's bad or good because I don't know. I have nothing to back it up. Even if I watched a video, that isn't enough to say a game is bad or good, You have to play it yourself. When Advanced Warfare came out, I told people my viewpoint from the rest of the series but always said, "I can't say the game is bad or good til I play it." If I just kept my guns with the 'It sucks, It's Call of Duty' Then I'd be stupid.

Sonic Boom is another example. I know a lot of people who hate it, some haven't even played it... but I enjoyed it. x.x I have a few friends who 'loved' Five Nights At Freddy's. They always talked about how scary it was, but they never actually played it... They watched videos of it being played. I was the only one to of actually loaded it up and tried it. Most who 'loved' it, after finally playing it, realized it wasn't a good game to them, despite that I personally love it.

Some people just make me facepalm.
Well said. I make sure not to review anything on Metacritic until I actually played it. Not make a assumption or judge from watching others play it on Youtube.

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Old 12-02-2014, 06:29 AM

Just some people frustrate the ever-living heck out of me. I'd have more respect for some people if they'd keep their opinions to themselves until they actually play it.

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Old 12-02-2014, 03:56 PM

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Just some people frustrate the ever-living heck out of me. I'd have more respect for some people if they'd keep their opinions to themselves until they actually play it.
People nowadays can look at many different things to get an impression of a game and if they'll like it or not. Nowadays they don't have to play a game to know if they'll like it or not because there's so many avenues to understand and experience the game without playing it.

OP and you need to consider that before jumping the gun and being self righteous.

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Old 12-02-2014, 05:38 PM

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People nowadays can look at many different things to get an impression of a game and if they'll like it or not. Nowadays they don't have to play a game to know if they'll like it or not because there's so many avenues to understand and experience the game without playing it.

OP and you need to consider that before jumping the gun and being self righteous.
What I'm getting at is that there is a difference between 'I don't think I'll like it' 'Game doesn't look good' to 'The game is horrible'. You cannot say a game is horrible or sucks until you truly pick up a controller, or have your hands on a keyboard and play it. You can say the game 'looks' horrible or 'doesn't seem' to play right, but people instantly say a game is horrible when they've never touched it.

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Old 12-02-2014, 05:41 PM

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What I'm getting at is that there is a difference between 'I don't think I'll like it' 'Game doesn't look good' to 'The game is horrible'. You cannot say a game is horrible or sucks until you truly pick up a controller, or have your hands on a keyboard and play it. You can say the game 'looks' horrible or 'doesn't seem' to play right, but people instantly say a game is horrible when they've never touched it.
Ways people can judge a game without playing it due to the internet age:
Lets Plays
First Impressions
Written Reviews
Video Reviews
Friends

As such, you aren't limited to just playing a game to experience it anymore. Welcome to the new age.

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Old 12-02-2014, 05:52 PM

Maybe I'm just old school with how I want to experience games. To me, watching someone play isn't experiencing it. It's a work around that may appeal to some, but without playing it, You may find the game plays better for you then whoever you are watching. All those things, while good as references, can also backfire on you. Let's Plays are an example to this point. You watch a Let's Play for a game that you are excited about but see it's buggy, etc, etc and don't know that after that point the game was patched to make it playable, and the Let's Player(or even group if you watch a few) don't do more videos on it.. You don't do research cause of that one, or many, Let's Plays and never give that game a chance. It's a system that could work, but has a few problems that can undoubtedly have a negative impact.

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Old 12-02-2014, 05:58 PM

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Maybe I'm just old school with how I want to experience games. To me, watching someone play isn't experiencing it. It's a work around that may appeal to some, but without playing it, You may find the game plays better for you then whoever you are watching. All those things, while good as references, can also backfire on you. Let's Plays are an example to this point. You watch a Let's Play for a game that you are excited about but see it's buggy, etc, etc and don't know that after that point the game was patched to make it playable, and the Let's Player(or even group if you watch a few) don't do more videos on it.. You don't do research cause of that one, or many, Let's Plays and never give that game a chance. It's a system that could work, but has a few problems that can undoubtedly have a negative impact.
Except that doesn't happen because most of the video game community of Lets Players has played many broken games. Probably because of promotional deals which they get from publishers and therefore they don't mind the bugs and the sort. It happens and continues to happen.

And if people see a broken game then it's a broken game. Doesn't matter if a patch fixes it later. Gamers nowadays don't like broken products so why should they be expected to like them?

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Old 12-02-2014, 06:03 PM

Battlefield 4 was a completely broken mess when it was launched, but the game is actually great now. A great game can come from a broken shell, it's always possible.

Let's jump on back onto the start of this thread, Advanced Warfare. My friend didn't like the game and hadn't played it. He watched videos, didn't like it. Came to my house, Fell in love with it after playing it. That's the point I am trying to make. Videos, Reviews are small in comparison to trying the game for yourself. You can say you'll hate it, or you do not like what you see, but to play the game gives you the chance to do things YOUR way. To play the game to the style that suits you and see if it fits.

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Old 12-02-2014, 09:02 PM

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Battlefield 4 was a completely broken mess when it was launched, but the game is actually great now. A great game can come from a broken shell, it's always possible.

Let's jump on back onto the start of this thread, Advanced Warfare. My friend didn't like the game and hadn't played it. He watched videos, didn't like it. Came to my house, Fell in love with it after playing it. That's the point I am trying to make. Videos, Reviews are small in comparison to trying the game for yourself. You can say you'll hate it, or you do not like what you see, but to play the game gives you the chance to do things YOUR way. To play the game to the style that suits you and see if it fits.
Battlefield 4 also almost destroyed the value of the Battlefield franchise.

Not everyone is created equally or i'd try to apply the cookie cutter method of "if they don't like it then let them play it". It won't work the same in all cases because someone else might thing it is the same boring game. Doesn't matter if YOU like it because YOU aren't the only gamer in the world.

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Old 12-02-2014, 09:47 PM

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, You can guess if you'd like it or not, but you'll never truly know till you play. Making a guess based off a review or video is fine, but you cannot say you know the game is bad/good til you get your hands on it. You can assume all you want, but the same goes for movies. I'm sure at some point you had a friend tell you a movie was bad, but then you watched it and enjoyed it. I know I have(and I've had the reverse as well with movies and games). It's the same. You could read a review of anything, and make the judgement to see/play it or not. But until you do, do you really know the flaws of the game, how bad it is, etc? No. You can make assumptions off reviews/Let's Plays, that can mold your decision.

The point I'm trying to make are those that flat out say the game is bad and haven't played it. I can respect and understand if someone doesn't want to play a game/watch a movie because of some bad things said or shown, but they admit that and do not try to make it sound like they had first hand playing/viewing experience with the issues. That's the point. I know someone who doesn't like Persona and most games of the SMT line. I enjoy them immensely. We are still friends, and just because we do not see eye to eye on that doesn't mean I want to change them. His reasoning, He isn't a fan of turn-based RPGs. He doesn't know if the game itself it good, but from what he's seen it's a game he won't enjoy.

Maybe you are misunderstanding my wording, or you are assuming I'm saying 'Like what I like or I hate you'. Whatever the case, I'm trying to explain my reasons behind my view point and it doesn't seem to be coming across.

 


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