The auther is currently being interviewed on Oprah right now more bashing material to use :D...

She said she was inspired to write the books after a dream. She also has never even written a short story before. Plus she never read vampire stories. But this also goes into the fact that my cousin had told me that she never does any research. So there's her credibility right there yeah... makes us avid writters a bit peaved if you ask me.
But the only good thing about this is that she had several rejections from nine agents five of reach didn't respond and only one wanted to read more. hahha makes me wonder what other crappy stories they pick up :evil: :P

Since many of you guys have continued to discuss Twilight within a public library thread, I have merged your posts here into our original Twilight thread. Please continue your vampire-related conversation here.

Originally Posted by iShortCircuited

If you have something horrible to say about it (or someone), Just Keep it to yourself Please? :S. Some Twilight fan may come around sooner or later and rip you a new one.[/SIZE]

ooohh...promises promises.

See that why merging the threads was a bad idea. us ranters want our own private spot to post. seriously now we're put right smack in the middle of their lair oooh scary shiver shiver lol :P

*sigh*
I don't understand all this hatred. Maybe I'm more open than some of you guys, but I honestly wouldn't spend any of my time bashing something I don't like ... and I actually don't, to be honest. I hate football (UK) but I don't spend my time digging out everything football related just to say, "that's shit," for example.

Really, why? I understand everyone has their own opinions, and I respect that, but to go out of your way to bash something that people enjoy - that children, teenagers, and adults, enjoy - just to get a bit of satisfaction for yourselves? Why? I gain nothing from bashing football, so I don't do it.

This woman had the guts to write her own book. She had the guts to present it to many publishers, and get turned down by many, but she got published in the end. She put her own personal work out there to be viewed and took the risk of all the bashing, but she's still standing strong, she's still earning lots of money, and I respect her for that. Yes, you could say that she should expect the bashing because not everyone would like it, but I really don't understand this obsene hatred for it. >.<

I'm going to carry on reading them. I'm going to see New Moon next week. And I'm happy and proud to say it.

EDIT: To nette, in particular.

I feel your pain. I have not read nor seen Twighlight nor do I care to read any of that poorly written tripe (is that the right word?) Anyway my cousin said the author (if she should even be called that) didn't do any research. And after what you posted on some of the details of the series it's not hard to believe that. I'm really tired of people writing crap and it gets publish by these big name companies and everyone all of a sudden goes gushy gushy over them. I hate Bella's character. Why is such an ordinary looking girl who is very annoying by the way given such a pretty name? It makes me want to hate her even more.

And that right there is what I don't understand. You've never read any of the books, nor seen the films, yet you hold such a strong opinion for something you've never read or seen? Hmmmm. :S

Research into what? A made up, mystical, fantasy character of vampires? Because they are ever-so real and must follow strict guildines of how to be portrayed in books/cinema? You write yourself. Do you not express your own creativity and originality by thinking out side the box and creating your own characters, human or not?

I'm certainly not preaching for you to enojy Twilight, but when comments like that are made, I have to stand up for what I believe in because that's just not right.

That is my quote and unless you've ever cared about the quality of writing or anything then I don't think you would understand. The point is that this woman didn't do the leg work. It's like someone who works on a project for one day vesus someone who has worked on it for months. It's not the same. I strive for quality over anything and when a person doesn't do the leg work and still expects to get the same praise as someone who has slaved over their project it's not fair to that person who worked harder to make their piece all that more better.

The mythology surounding vampires has been around for generations. So yes there is material to be researched. Even fantasy works need crediable material. There are entire dictionary of fictional characters and if a person decides to make something far different than what is supposes to be based on that mythology in most cases it won't make any sense. Yes sometimes it does turn out to be good. But those cases are usually if they invent everything new for their material. Good writers just write fantastic writers do the research.

I use my own creativity based around the basics of the mythologies and historic facts surrounding my subjects. I've seen and read enough to know what is quality work and what is not. The wriiten works that people don't bother to do the extra work often have flaws. If these writters would have done the extra effort by doing the leg work then instead of having a good piece they could have had a great piece.

This is something I care deeply about, I was taught to strive for qaulity over quantity. And if one doesn't care to do that then whatever it is that they are doing just isn't good enough. It's just sub par.
Things don't just need to look good but they need to function properly, make sense and follow the basic rules. If you pay more attention to these things then you will quickly understand what I mean. Perhaps you will even start to value qaulity work over the next popular run of the mill thing.

lol I love you Spring. XD
I was reading what was recently posted in here and thinking the very same thing.

I hate lost, but I don't keep bashing it every time its brought up. I listen to my friends discussion about it and will watch it with them (though I usually bring out a book to read so its just noise in the background)

@Nette:: Just because you think that the book isn't made of the best quality doesn't mean that someone with just as much passion about books or such like you doesn't think so. We should just be lucky that she was able to write something that didn't have a hidden Mormon meaning behind it. (nothing against Mormon's, :] )

As for the research part, there wasn't much she could do. Watching tv to get your information isn't what most would call research, which is what she could of done to help grasp her concept of what vampire's can and cannot do. Granted, I do think 'Sparkle' is a poor word to use when describing a vampire in sunlight. But I believe she did the best she could do.

@Stormy: there were many things she could have read good quality vampire stories, like Dracula. And you're wrong about authors not watching movies for research. I'm developing a story plot for an original fiction, and I think it's helpful.

Originally Posted by Stormy1

lol I love you Spring. XD
I was reading what was recently posted in here and thinking the very same thing.

I hate lost, but I don't keep bashing it every time its brought up. I listen to my friends discussion about it and will watch it with them (though I usually bring out a book to read so its just noise in the background)

@Nette:: Just because you think that the book isn't made of the best quality doesn't mean that someone with just as much passion about books or such like you doesn't think so. We should just be lucky that she was able to write something that didn't have a hidden Mormon meaning behind it. (nothing against Mormon's, :] )

As for the research part, there wasn't much she could do. Watching tv to get your information isn't what most would call research, which is what she could of done to help grasp her concept of what vampire's can and cannot do. Granted, I do think 'Sparkle' is a poor word to use when describing a vampire in sunlight. But I believe she did the best she could do.

Point taken and thank you for being kind in your response. I was trying to get my point accross and the die hard fans here weren't listening. Yes I agree "sparkle" is a good example of poor writing skills. But I do suppose since this series is geared towards the young adult crowd vocabulary isn't too important. I do try to respect people's opinions. But when it's something I feel strongly against it's hard to resist the negativity. I do find it interesting after watching the Oprah interview that she had come up with the book idea in a dream. Strange thing was she had no prier interest or much knowledge of vampires. Also I hadn't said anything about doing reaserch though watching movies. I had meant doing reaserch by reading books. Besides Dracula there is extensive information on Vampires and it's not all fiction. There are people in real life with disorders that are very similar to vampire behaviors. Such as craving blood and being sensetive to sunlight. Also there is histories base for Dracula himself, Vlad Tempest the impailer.
But non the less to each thier own I guess. I suppose you can't always be too accurate when it comes to a teens book. So I'll go spend my energy elsewhere now :)

Oh, crackers. I thought I was finding a "yey Twilight" thread. And instead most of the posts are a "boo Twilight" thing. Darnit. I can't escape it. Oh well. Hey, if there's anyone on this thread left who likes the books, who's going to see New Moon when it comes out? 8D

@Reyire.
I, for one, am so excited about the New Moon movie.
The Twilight movie let me down (I bought it anyway), but since this movie has a new director, I think it's going to be awesome.
Especially Jacob's transformations!

Originally Posted by Reyire Alexander

Oh, crackers. I thought I was finding a "yey Twilight" thread. And instead most of the posts are a "boo Twilight" thing. Darnit. I can't escape it. Oh well. Hey, if there's anyone on this thread left who likes the books, who's going to see New Moon when it comes out? 8D

Well it was until one of the mods moved the rants from the library thread. Where really I think that was the original intent of the person who made that thread and not to talk about libraries. But because of the title the mod decided the posts should be moved here none the less. Anyway I appologize I know it ruins the fun when people who aren't fans post their thoughts. But I've made my point here so I think I'm done posting to this thread. So hopefully you and the other fans can have a fun thread again. :)

Mods tend to read the content of posts before removing them to ensure that the move is warranted in the first place. At least, that's how I did it when I was a staff member. They do have rules they follow quite strictly in order to ensure that Menewsha remains a fun community.

That being said, I think since this is a thread to talk about Twilit as opposed to a thread where only the fans visit, all sorts of opinions are posted. There are definitely posts here from people who love the books. However, a good chunk of the people that like to hang out in the book forums don't think very highly of the series.

I haven't been about here in awhile. ;]
So is anyone else getting really, REALLY annoyed with the antis as of late? If I have to hear the words 'VAMPIRES DON'T FUCKING SPARKLE' one more time I think I might scream. I'm seeing a disproportionate amount of Twilight bashers these days, and even as someone who's not a fan of the books I think it's kind of gotten out of hand... sorry, guys, but you've gotten even worse than the rabid fangirls. I'd be scared to admit I like Twilight at this point.

I for one like the Twilight movie but I love the book better. I can't wait to see New Moon. I was insistant that I was not going to get into the Twilight craze but then I saw the movie and had to get the books. After the first book I had to get the others. I finished 3 books in two day I just couldn't put it down.

I can't stand the movie. [Twilight]
After reading the book, I was expecting so much more and, honestly, I didn't get it.

I'm still a huge fan of the books though, I just don't really plan on watching any more of the movies. : |

*Sighs* seriously? Is this over the fact that Stephanie Meyer makes her vampires sparkle in the sunlight and not burn at it? Are we two years old people? This is getting out of hand, seriously! I'd rather take a screaming fan girl than read some of the posts hear! And that saying allot since I can’t stand them. Stephanie Meyer just put her own opinion, and guts, out for the world to see. And like Stormy1 stated there’s Mormons mean behind it. (Thank GOD!)
I understand that Stephanie Meyer work is not that great for the over achievers to understand, but for the rest of us it takes us some where different, to our imaginations! And I also understand that what antis are saying, but you guys are seriously being stereotypical and judge mental. From what I have learned from the books is that everyone is different, in human and methodical worlds, and if everyone was the same and perfect then wouldn't it get like little boring? Everyone is different, you got the obsessed fans who probably wanted a thread to find out who else likes the series, and then the antis come along and ruin it. Seriously if you guys really don’t like it why do you have to ruin it for the rest of us? I understand that there are people who hate the series because of the popularity behind it, and I agree some of it has gotten a little out of hand (The Edward dolls? Seriously? LOL!) But still why must you ruin it for the Twi-Hards? How would you feel if we did that to you favorite book series or movies, I personally can't get into Anne Rices Vampire Chronicles, trust me I have tried, but I just can't. She is amazing writer I give her that but not everyone going to like them. But still how would you feel that we did that to your favorite thing
And I’m super stoked to see New Moon! I see tomorrow night with my dad and my Best friend (don’t ask)*starts to act like a giddy fan girl*
Thats all I have to say, and if any one understand this I give you credit, I like to write jiberish some days, how I passed english is beyond me.

i saw New Moon just recently, and i think they did better on it than they did on Twilight. it just seemed like it was better made in some way that i'm not quite sure of. but still, overall, i like the books more. =^_^= i still have yet to finish Breaking Dawn tho.

Oh. My. God. Pull your head out of your freaking ******* and stop complaining about vampires not sparkling!

Stephenie Meyer didn't write vampires the way she did because she knew nothing about them, or because she didn't do the research; she didn't have to research vampires because she chose, yes, CHOSE, to not write them the stereotypical way they were written. You can have all you want against the Twilight Saga, but for the love of god, don't make the main point of your freaking argument, "Vampires don't sparkle." Because seriously? It makes you look worse than the thirteen year old "OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG EDWARD IS SO HOT I LIKE TOTALLY WANT TO MARRY HIMMM!!!!!!! TWILIGHT IS THE BEST BOOK IN THE FREAKING UNIVERSE!"

Sorry for doing that; it killed me a little on the inside, too. (And I'm not claiming all thirteen year olds are like that, or that all people who ARE like that are thirteen. It's the stereotype I knew people would recognize.)

You want a reason to hate Twilight? Make it be because of the fact that Edward is promoted as basically a stalker, which is considered "cute" because of the romance story. Make it be because the women in this story are completely WEAK and need to rely on a guy at all times; (Bella is basically a zombie once Edward is gone, and is only a little better when she's with Jacob.) Or maybe you could dislike it because Stephenie Meyer couldn't even go through a grammar check on her work to make sure simple middle school (hell, maybe grade school) errors like the difference between "to" and "too" were fixed.

BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THE SPARKLING THING IS BARELY MENTIONED. There's a line reference to it in the first book, maybe a three line reference in the second book. It does not revolve around them. Bella does not sit all day and watch them sparkle in the freaking sun. Do your OWN research and make this ONE of the reasons you hate Twilight, not the main reason, because all it does is make you look like a moron. Sorry.

WITH THAT OUT OF THE WAY... I am a Twilight fan. I'm not a hater saying I hate it; I just get really tired of people whining about the sparkle thing. Sure, it's lame, but so is making that your sole reason for hating the book.

I love this series. It's sort of a huge love/hate thing for me. I hate what it does to people: how it makes really annoying mass haters who can't even give an educated reason as to why they hate it, and how it makes some fans so annoying that it makes ME want to hate it at times. Why do people have to ruin things for everyone? Modern literature is not something that can fairly be compared to the Classics, because we're trying to get fresh new ideas that haven't been done before. That was the purpose of the sparkling thing, I'm sure. Did it work? Not that great. But this book wasn't meant to make you think about... the meaning of life or pose any huge philosophical questions. It was written to entertain people; it was written so the author could get her idea down on paper, and out to the world. I think it did just that. It has many things to hate about it, but if you're focusing on all of it's flaws while reading, I don't know how you can possibly read anything. Nothing is flawless; nothing. Check out "The Birthmark" by Nathaniel Hawthorne for an interesting read about how perfection can't exist.

Anyway, people need to relax. Did this series get unbearably popular too fast? Yeah, it did, and it was ridiculous. But it happened. You know why it happened? It wasn't just because there's a bunch of little preteens who went nuts over it. I happen to be eighteen years old, and when I went to see the first movie, there was an eighty year old couple sitting there hand in hand next to me. People of ALL ages like this series, despite the fact that their own generation may have had better literature. The reason? We don't have sticks stuck up our butts and get pleasure from looking for the flaws in something. We just enjoyed it, the way it was meant to be enjoyed. We took it for it was: a romance story with a bit of a twist and some sub-plots in between. That's it. Don't try to make it anything more, because of course you're going to hate it.

Check out "John Reviews Twilight/New Moon" on youtube. It sort of sums up how it's difficult to explain why people like it, they just... do. Entertaining for people who hate the series as well; you'll enjoy his description of the series for his fellow "Nerds".

Not every post in this topic has been completely based on the sparkling. That is just one of the things that stand out since it's retarded. However, if you read others' opinions, you might see that people were discussing the characters as well as the grammar and other things as well.

I loved the twlight saga books I also saw The New Moon movie as well i liked it, why is so many people hating on Stephaine Meyer books there are so great and full of adventure in my opionion.

Originally Posted by Aggy the Awesome

Not every post in this topic has been completely based on the sparkling. That is just one of the things that stand out since it's retarded. However, if you read others' opinions, you might see that people were discussing the characters as well as the grammar and other things as well.

I realize not every post was, I was merely addressing the ones that were, because it's a common issue and usually the first thing people mention. The characters, grammar, and several other things are the understandable reasons for not liking it. The sparkling is just something retarded people bring up that make them sound nearly as annoying as the screaming twelve year old's they complain about.

Originally Posted by xoSarahBellaxo

I loved the twlight saga books I also saw The New Moon movie as well i liked it, why is so many people hating on Stephaine Meyer books there are so great and full of adventure in my opionion.

The New Moon movie was done quite well, much closer to the books and the things that were different, I liked better. The first movie sucked because they had a crappy director. As for why people "hate on Stephenie Meyer's books", that's likely because the Twilight Saga wasn't properly edited, which makes it come across like the author thinks she's above that. Or so some people have told me, not my own personal opinion. Many people who read her book The Host usually decide it's just Twilight that they think sucks. I like The Host better too, actually, but Twilight's a nice relaxing love story with a bit of adventure like you said :)

Originally Posted by portraitinblack

I realize not every post was, I was merely addressing the ones that were, because it's a common issue and usually the first thing people mention. The characters, grammar, and several other things are the understandable reasons for not liking it. The sparkling is just something retarded people bring up that make them sound nearly as annoying as the screaming twelve year old's they complain about.

If it's their opinion that the sparkling was one of the lower points of the book, then why can't they bring it up in the Twilight discussion? It may be mentioned often, but that just means a lot of people had issues with it; it doesn't make them retarded for bringing it up. If crazy fangirls can mention how much they love Edward or Jacob or the whole book for that matter, then non-fans can bring up the sparkling, the lack of character development and the plot holes. To each their own.

Originally Posted by Aggy the Awesome

If it's their opinion that the sparkling was one of the lower points of the book, then why can't they bring it up in the Twilight discussion? It may be mentioned often, but that just means a lot of people had issues with it; it doesn't make them retarded for bringing it up. If crazy fangirls can mention how much they love Edward or Jacob or the whole book for that matter, then non-fans can bring up the sparkling, the lack of character development and the plot holes. To each their own.

I don't like crazy fangirls mentioning how much they love Edward or Jacob, either, because anything with crazy people who go overboard annoy me. Like the sparkling thing. I don't mind if people have a problem with the sparkling, I just hate when that's their key argument for not liking the books. Because that? IS retarded. And maybe you disagree, and that's fine, because like you said - to each their own. I just think there are better reasons to hate Twilight, and people need to get over the sparkle thing WHEN that's their only reason for hating the books. It gets as tiresome seeing people say "Vampires don't sparkle" as it does seeing people say "OH MY GOD TWILIGHT AHH EDWARD IS SO EFFING HOT!" I just don't like when the defining factor of "Twilight Haters" is "Vampire's don't sparkle." It sounds just as shallow as the people screaming how hot Jacob and Edward is, and I don't like either group for that reason. If people say other reasons for disliking Twilight, and then mention the sparkle thing? Fine. It weirds some people out, and I understand that, because it's one of those "what the hell?" moments. If people post "I don't like Twilight; their vampires sparkle D;" then yes, I think it's stupid, because it sounds like they're jumping in on the fad of hating the series, which is as big as the fad of liking it.

I do understand your point, however, that people can say they don't like it if they don't. I just wish there wouldn't be annoying people out there who spazz over the stupidest detail of the book and focus on ones that seem like a bigger problem than a little "sparkle"; I also wish people would stop screaming they want to marry Edward and kill Bella so they can do it. Both annoy me, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Well at least we're seeing eye-to-eye :P Sure, no one likes an extreme hater with no backing as well as a hardcore fan that obsesses over Edward or whatever. I was just saying don't point fingers at everyone in the thread; there have been some genuine discussions in here despite what you may see xD

My argument - to get back to the topic - was always about how the vampires in the book didn't hold any semblance to vampires at all save for the bloodsucking. One of the many reasons was the sparkling, obviously, but there were others. I don't remember any mention of fangs, they didn't have to be invited inside of the house, they were immune to just about anything, and they could only be killed by their own kind or other supernatural creatures. Humans didn't stand a chance. In a lot of vampire lore, humans could at least stake a vampire or make some kind of stand against them. Sure, it was hard but it was still there. Now, the vampires here are just invincible. Flawless. It made for a really dull story.