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03-18-2007, 09:05 PM
Although I am WELL AWARE the sensitivity of this topic- I would like for you to place your honest opinion, disregarding the fact that I am transgender.
As a cross-post from my other topic:
"When I was born, they looked at me and said,
what a good boy, what a smart boy, what a strong boy.
And when you were born, they looked at you and said,
what a good girl, what a what a smart girl, what a pretty girl."
I want honest opinions
DEFENITION:
trans·gen·dered (trāns-jěn'dərd, trānz-) Pronunciation Key
adj.
1. Appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex.
2. Of or relating to a transgendered person or transgendered people.
Now- don't worry, I'm not easily insulted. So please, post your 100% honest opinion.
Thank you.
[If you have questions pertaining to my transgenderism, I'll be glad to answer you in a PM, rather than on the forum.]
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03-18-2007, 09:50 PM
I don't really have a problem with it at all. I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it can potentially be quite confusing at first, but there's no reason I can think of to say that there's anything wrong with it.
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stilettolover
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03-18-2007, 10:00 PM
No problems here. *Nod*
I mean, hell, they've even proven that the brains of transgendered people are more like the gender they identify as than the gender they were born as! If anyone needs proof that it's not just in someone's head.. there it is.
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03-18-2007, 10:05 PM
I strongly, strongly, agree with you Stilettolover.
One thing I've noticed- is that it's not something I had ever thought about. Being a boy, I mean. When I was little, it was just something that was obvious to me. I wasn't a girl, I was a boy. I remember asking my mom questions like, "Why do you put me in dresses?" or, "why do I have to have my hair long?", and even more specific to being a boy, "Why can't I wear boxers?". I never understood why I wasn't treated like the male I thought I was.
And even today- I am a boy, not a girl. A boy. I try to identify as best I can as male, and I think I pass very well. One thing people fail to realize is that something happens in the womb, that makes us who we are today. Male or Female. I just so happen to be a little bit of both- and one day, I'll only be one, and the chosen part for me is the more easy of the two to change. The flesh.
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stilettolover
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03-18-2007, 10:24 PM
One thing psychologists have found is there we have two genders: our physical gender and our perceived gender. The two don't always match up.
And you're right, it's something about how the baby is formed--for the physical gender to be one thing it means that certain signals were sent out to the developing body. The same signals didn't get to the brain.
It's also been proven that environment cannot change perceived gender even if the physical gender has been altered (referring to the specific case of a male losing his penis during circumcision, then being turned into a female). Even when artificial hormones are present, the mind doesn't change.
>.< I cannot understand why people are still intolerant.
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03-18-2007, 10:47 PM
I really don't have a problem with it. People need to be who they are, and if it wasn't the gender that they were born with then let them express them self.
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03-18-2007, 11:51 PM
Have you gone about the process of getting your physical gender changed yet? If you haven't, Flink warns you that it'll be hard and annoying at times. The psychologists will try their hardest to make you change your mind and make you scream to get them to shutup and leave you alone that you are in fact your physical gender, and not the one you know you are.
However, Flink would like you to know that they think it's needed. Because suicide rates amongst transgendered people has risen greatly. They think it's because they figured out a change to their perceived gender wasn't what fixed it. Flink thinks it's other things, but she won't go into that.
And if you can't tell from Flink's previous two poser-paragraphs, she has no problem with it. For the longest time Flink thought she should be a boy. She really did. She did research on the process for when she got of age to actually go through the steps to become who she knew she was supposed to be. Except she found out she doesn't want to be male. She won't reveal her reasoning, but she knows for sure she's bound to be a girl who's just really uncomfortable with being one. >.<
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It's also been proven that environment cannot change perceived gender even if the physical gender has been altered (referring to the specific case of a male losing his penis during circumcision, then being turned into a female). Even when artificial hormones are present, the mind doesn't change.
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You are totally correct. Flink watched a special on TV ages ago about that. Child was born, and the circumcision went wrong. So they decided to make him a her, since it'd be easier. Well, they tried making the child take the hormones, everything. But the person refused, and when he finally became old enough he became a man, like he knew he was supposed to be. And found out right after that, that he was born a boy, and the circumcision was botched.
Last thing Flink knew he was married and looked very much a male. ^-^ She's happy for him.
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03-18-2007, 11:55 PM
There are also instances where people who are actually gay think that they're supposed to be a different gender because they like the same sex, so it's good to make sure that that isn't the case before a person changes >.<. Though, I think that generally by the time they're able to undergo a sex change, people who think that have realized that it isn't the case and that they're actually simply homosexual.
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03-19-2007, 12:57 AM
If it does not impact me directly, I try not to let someone's personal lifestyle choices bother me.
And I don't see how some man's desire to be female (or vice versa) really would have an impact on me directly. :)
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03-19-2007, 01:04 AM
I dont agree with the choice transgendered people make, because I think they were born that way for a reason, but I am by no means prejudiced against them. I am happily friends with them and do not judge them accordingly.
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03-19-2007, 01:26 AM
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I dont agree with the choice transgendered people make, because I think they were born that way for a reason, but I am by no means prejudiced against them. I am happily friends with them and do not judge them accordingly.
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Do you not think that they were also born with that feeling that they weren't the way that their body was?
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stilettolover
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03-19-2007, 01:32 AM
You sound a little prejudiced to me. ^^; Don't they have the right to be happy?
Like Flink said, suicide among transgendered is on the rise--what she didn't mention, because the statistic is often misrepresented--is it is pre-op transgendereds who are commiting more suicide. It is theorized that the number isn't actually rising, we are just more aware of what demographic is actually commiting suicide.
By telling people they have to live with how they were born when they do not feel it is right... is damning them to a life as something they do not believe they are!
Edit: and please don't take that as I think you're being intentionally prejudiced. We all have our prejudices and they don't make us bad people. Our actions are what determine that, not our beliefs.
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03-19-2007, 02:20 AM
I see nothing wrong with actually being transgendered.
But I don't know anyone who actually is, so I'm not sure if I would stumble with words around them.
I have a few gay friends, and I'm afraid of teasing them.
I tease all of my friends, but its such a touchy subject with some people. :S
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03-19-2007, 03:53 AM
- Ideally, I have no problem with transgendered people. Just act and/or be who you want to be, not what society tells you to be. Though, I will admit that I can be a bit weirded out by a manly looking woman, whether she was born that way or a male that underwent surgery, than I am to a softer featured male, but that comes from what environment an individual is raised in.
-shrug-
As long as the transgendered individuals don't act out in a way to frighten me, I'm okay with them, and wouldn't mind being friends with them. :3
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03-19-2007, 05:51 AM
I have no problem with people who transgender, but it's reaaaaallly hard to deal with for family members.
My aunt has decided to become my uncle and it's just very awkard for me that the person I grew up with is now trying to be a completely different person.
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03-19-2007, 06:07 AM
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I have no problem with people who transgender, but it's reaaaaallly hard to deal with for family members.
My aunt has decided to become my uncle and it's just very awkard for me that the person I grew up with is now trying to be a completely different person.
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Gosh that must be tough. :(
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03-19-2007, 06:21 AM
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I have no problem with people who transgender, but it's reaaaaallly hard to deal with for family members.
My aunt has decided to become my uncle and it's just very awkard for me that the person I grew up with is now trying to be a completely different person.
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Gosh that must be tough. :(
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It is. D;I think the toughest part is trying to remember to use his new name.
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03-19-2007, 07:45 PM
i think you should do whatever you want to be happy with yourself. if that means dressing as the opposite gender, or having surgery to become the opposite gender, go for it.
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stilettolover
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03-19-2007, 07:55 PM
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I have no problem with people who transgender, but it's reaaaaallly hard to deal with for family members.
My aunt has decided to become my uncle and it's just very awkard for me that the person I grew up with is now trying to be a completely different person.
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Gosh that must be tough. :(
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It is. D;
I think the toughest part is trying to remember to use his new name.
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Something like that is always going to be difficult on a family. Whenever someone drastically changes their life style, it takes time to adjust to it.
It might be hard now, but really look at your uncle: Does he seem happier now than the he did before? Does he seem to be more content?
It will seem unnatural to you at first, but give him a chance. ^^ It'll get easier if you let it.
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03-19-2007, 10:59 PM
I find nothing wrong with people wanting to become members of the opposite sex; it just shows they are more open-minded and willing to make decisions that will make them happier people ^___^
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03-20-2007, 01:39 AM
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Like Flink said, suicide among transgendered is on the rise--what she didn't mention, because the statistic is often misrepresented--is it is pre-op transgendereds who are commiting more suicide. It is theorized that the number isn't actually rising, we are just more aware of what demographic is actually commiting suicide.
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Flink apologizes for not having her facts straight, or in this case only having part of the facts. ^-^;
Then again it does make sense. However, are these post-op that aren't planning to get the operation or post-op in the process? Because either way would make sense. As Flink stated earlier, the therapists one has to go through to get the OK to go through with it are extremely tough.
Certainly it's not the same thing, but Flink was referred to a psychologist when she was begging her doctor to remove her reproductive organs, for very painful reasons. The doctor and the psychologist would have none of, "But I can't have kids in the first place! And this isn't normal!" Stupid doctors. >.<
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stilettolover
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03-20-2007, 02:00 AM
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Like Flink said, suicide among transgendered is on the rise--what she didn't mention, because the statistic is often misrepresented--is it is pre-op transgendereds who are commiting more suicide. It is theorized that the number isn't actually rising, we are just more aware of what demographic is actually commiting suicide.
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Flink apologizes for not having her facts straight, or in this case only having part of the facts. ^-^;
Then again it does make sense. However, are these post-op that aren't planning to get the operation or post-op in the process? Because either way would make sense. As Flink stated earlier, the therapists one has to go through to get the OK to go through with it are extremely tough.
Certainly it's not the same thing, but Flink was referred to a psychologist when she was begging her doctor to remove her reproductive organs, for very painful reasons. The doctor and the psychologist would have none of, "But I can't have kids in the first place! And this isn't normal!" Stupid doctors. >.<
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No need to appologize! No one really reports what specific demographic it is, making it sound like transgendered who have gone through with the operation are more likely to commit suicide.
Most often it is the people who cannot bear to go through with the operation for whatever reason.
I'll clarify: pre-op= before operation. Post op=after operation.
And yes, there are many many psychologists out there who do not believe in the operation and therefore during the screening process will try very very hard to convince you that you really don't want to go through with it. There is no coming back once you take that step... some people are just way too overzealous about it.
Very few people actually qualify for the procedure because of this practice. =\
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03-20-2007, 04:09 AM
I don't see where people think they have a right to have an opinion . It's between the person and the people who are gonna give them the operation and the ok if they are stable minded and truly believe this is what they need to feel complete
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03-21-2007, 01:06 AM
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One thing psychologists have found is there we have two genders: our physical gender and our perceived gender. The two don't always match up.
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From a sociological/ psychological the difference is actually in the terminology. Gender refers to how one is thaught of. Sex is the biological. There are transgendered people, and there are transexual people. Transgender can lead to transexual, but not always.
I think i've taken one survey that listed both, generally they only list one.
Oh, no problem with trangender or transexual. I dont think I've met a transgender IRL.
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stilettolover
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03-21-2007, 01:09 AM
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One thing psychologists have found is there we have two genders: our physical gender and our perceived gender. The two don't always match up.
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From a sociological/ psychological the difference is actually in the terminology. Gender refers to how one is thaught of. Sex is the biological. There are transgendered people, and there are transexual people. Transgender can lead to transexual, but not always.
I think i've taken one survey that listed both, generally they only list one.
Oh, no problem with trangender or transexual. I dont think I've met a transgender IRL.
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=D Yes, but not everyone is a psychologist or a sociologist and might not understand the difference in the terminology. To some people, sex=gender.
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