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03-28-2007, 11:45 PM
I'm just curious, does anybody here have a problem with active homosexuality? As in, with people fully, and proudly expressing themselfs as being homosexuals and wishing to be married?
I'd like honest answers. = ) )
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03-28-2007, 11:46 PM
I personally, don't have any problems or objections to it (Partly because I'm unsure myself of my orientation)
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03-28-2007, 11:48 PM
I have no problem with homosexuality, though I will admit in my youth, my parents sort of brainwashed me into being a homophobe. When one of my closest friends came out in middle school, I realized there is no way he is a bad person because of his sexuality, and it's not my right, or anyone elses, to judge someone based on that.
Now many of my close friends are bisexual or homosexual. I do my best to support them, and I am involved in the Gay-Straight-Alliance at my school. My previously-mentioned friend who came out has become my best friend. He jokingly calls me a fag-hag (which I kinda am?).
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03-28-2007, 11:49 PM
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I have no problem with homosexuality, though I will admit in my youth, my parents sort of brainwashed me into being a homophobe. When one of my closest friends came out in middle school, I realized there is no way he is a bad person because of his sexuality, and it's not my right, or anyone elses, to judge someone based on that.
Now many of my close friends are bisexual or homosexual. I do my best to support them, and I am involved in the Gay-Straight-Alliance at my school. My previously-mentioned friend who came out has become my best friend. He jokingly calls me a fag-hag (which I kinda am?).
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DDx My parents try doing the same thing. They just keep telling me that if I turn gay, they're going to have a heart attack and probably go crazy that such a fate ...has befalled me.. :roll:
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03-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Ha, my mom is absolutely convinced I'm a lesbian although I've been dating my boyfriend for a year and half and that I have told her on many ocassions I am quite sure I am straight. She even told me she'd disown me if I was.
She later revealed to my sister that she didn't mean that, that she would still love me. >.<
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03-28-2007, 11:54 PM
SirBunny, don't double-post. Keep it all in one place, please.
However, like you I see no issue with it. The only issue I see is how overblown the entire concept is getting, both within the media and with the rapidly-spreading plethora of posers who claim to be homosexual or bisexual in order to gain attention. Those people bother me. If you're gay, you're gay. If you're not, you're not. There. End of story. No need to sing it from the hills, unless you're looking for a date or are using it to try and make a point.
But all the points have been beaten to death, so why should we give a shit and keep making a fuss? It's not like gay people are trying to FORCE themselves on us. They just want acceptance. They're not trying to make everyone gay.
Now the conservatives, on the other hand... Ugh. They're the ones trying to force their views on everyone. But that, my dears, is a whole other topic.
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03-28-2007, 11:55 PM
I'm bi myself, but I sort of have a problem with the marriage thing. I just think it should be a different instituion with different laws regarding taxes and such. I also don't agree with gay couples adopting. If it's true that it's a mental thing and not a choice, and they naturally choose the sex that they can't procreate with, it's hard for me to think they would also have the natural feeling to want to have children. I know, every orphan would love to have two mothers or two father rather than none, but it's such a grey issue. Nothing I've even said isn't grey in my head, I just honestly don't know because both sides seem positive and negative.
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03-28-2007, 11:56 PM
Alegretto - Oh noez DDx, where did I double post?
xDDD Oh, you do love talking.
Momus - mhm! x-x I'm so worried about that. I'm only 13. I'd be dead if they got pissed at me like that.
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03-28-2007, 11:57 PM
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... the rapidly-spreading plethora of posers who claim to be homosexual or bisexual in order to gain attention. Those people bother me. If you're gay, you're gay. If you're not, you're not. There. End of story. No need to sing it from the hills, unless you're looking for a date or are using it to try and make a point.
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I agree with this as well. It seems like a fashion statement at times and it's gross (not homosexuality, the idea of using it that way) They give the real ones a bad image, always.
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03-28-2007, 11:59 PM
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I'm bi myself, but I sort of have a problem with the marriage thing. I just think it should be a different instituion with different laws regarding taxes and such. I also don't agree with gay couples adopting. If it's true that it's a mental thing and not a choice, and they naturally choose the sex that they can't procreate with, it's hard for me to think they would also have the natural feeling to want to have children. I know, every orphan would love to have two mothers or two father rather than none, but it's such a grey issue. Nothing I've even said isn't grey in my head, I just honestly don't know because both sides seem positive and negative.
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Hm, adopting.
It seems that people think that's it's really disturbing and unnatural >_< But I think that as long as the child's okay, it's fine.
DDx, I have to go now. TV! xDD
ALSOALSO.
T_T I JUST GAMBLED ALL MY GOLD AWAY xDDDDD
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03-29-2007, 12:06 AM
I certainly have no problems with homosexuality.. XD I'm not gay, but two of my close friends are. We talk about relationships at times, and struggles with their families, but very little about the subject at a whole really. It's just not what.. defines them to me. o.o; They're my friends for lots of reasons. ^.^ People in the U.S., especially in a religious sense, really over react to this subject.
I think the thing that most bugs me about this subject are the parents who are concerned about how their kids will react to it, not wanting to "expose" them to a lifestyle that's "perverse". These people need to realize that they're children are growing up in this country with everyone else, and will eventually have to know about these things. As long as they approach the topic carefully, they arn't going to ruin their child's innocence or anything like that. Plus.. it's not the responsibility of everyone else to make life safe for that person's child. It's their responsibility as the adult to teach their child proper morals and about the world around them. o.o;
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03-29-2007, 12:53 AM
a few years ago, i might have made a face, but now i'm neutral about it, as long as someone doesn't shove it in my face (such as obnoxiously making out in front of me or whatever--but i don't like it when straight couples do that either. it's like... get a room? please? D:).
the only thing that makes me annoyed is that it seems to be a fad right now. sure, many of these people are probably genuinely homosexual, but i have seen a few cases in my school where people went out with others of their same gender to stir controversy/gain attention.
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03-29-2007, 01:08 AM
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a few years ago, i might have made a face, but now i'm neutral about it, as long as someone doesn't shove it in my face (such as obnoxiously making out in front of me or whatever--but i don't like it when straight couples do that. it's like... get a room? please? D:).
the only thing that makes me annoyed is that it seems to be a fad right now. sure, many of these people are probably genuinely homosexual, but i have seen a few cases in my school where people went out with others of their same gender to stir controversy/gain attention.
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I agree 100% with both points in this.
I don't like PDA period. Unless you're in the airport saying goodbye/welcoming someone home, there is no reason to be mauling your significant other. Please keep your hands out of their shirt, off their bum, out of their pants, out of their pockets, etc etc etc.
I also don't like the new fad of ambiguity, faux homosexuality. >__< Just be yourself! UUuuurrggh!
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03-29-2007, 02:20 AM
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a few years ago, i might have made a face, but now i'm neutral about it, as long as someone doesn't shove it in my face (such as obnoxiously making out in front of me or whatever--but i don't like it when straight couples do that either. it's like... get a room? please? D:).
the only thing that makes me annoyed is that it seems to be a fad right now. sure, many of these people are probably genuinely homosexual, but i have seen a few cases in my school where people went out with others of their same gender to stir controversy/gain attention.
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AUGH. I agree to both, also!
I dislike PDA, too. It's so... it makes me so embarrassed to see them. As much as I love gay couples flaunting their sexuality in the open like that, it's still really uncomfortable to see people making out, even if to straight people.
And, I agree with the second one so much. D: It disgusts me that people will do something like that, especially when it's all for attention. It's okay if you're curious about it, but to do it on purpose when you know you're straight is ... ugh!
There was this guy in my old school who was OBVIOUSLY homophobic (he even uses homophobic slurs!), and suddenly-- literally the next day-- he's saying he's claiming he's bisexual. Then he goes and flaunts it in my face, which makes me really doubt his sexuality. :\ He's all, "OH, did you know I like a boy? What do you think, Kris? I'm bisexual! I like boys! I even have a boyfriend! Y'know, I'm still dating my girlfriend, but I also have a boyfriend because my girlfriend let me have a boyfriend! I love my boyfriend so much! See, see, I really do have a boyfriend!"
Maybe he really is bisexual, but he's seriously over-acting. Plus, he's a pathological liar-- he lies about everything that I know is not true! >:U It's that darn fad where homosexuality is 'in'. Rrrr, that wannabe. x\
As stilettolover said, just be yourself, y'know. x_x This fad might help homosexuality more in the open, but, ugh. To fake things about yourself really irritates me.
xD Phew. Well, time to contribute to the topic. Cx
Actually, I used to be incredibly homophobic. I'd freak out at the thought of two girls kissing and I'd actually even yell at people who would even think homosexuality is okay. Luckily, I haven't met any homosexual people, because I don't know what I would have done. My homophobia and what I'd do to people who were homosexual sympathizers was really bad, especially when you consider that I'm an incredibly quiet, easy-going person.
My parents are partly to blame-- they tell me all the time how homosexuals will go to hell because God doesn't like people like that. It's kind of weird that I'd grow up to be so homophobic, because in Philippines, there are a helluva lot of crossdressers and openly gay people.
Anyway, I finally got over it by reading a yaoi manga years ago. x'''D Now I realize that my fears are unfounded and homosexuals are really just people, too! I don't see how God would discriminate against them just for loving people of the same gender, but, eh. :\
Me, I fully support gay marriages and gay couples! People shouldn't be restricted for their sex. <3 Love is love wherever it is~
(Oh, and I'm asexual. x'D)
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03-29-2007, 02:28 AM
despite people quoting bible that homosexuality is wrong, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere in the bible does it actually condemn it (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong XD) all i know is that there are several verses that condemn sex for wrong kind of reasons, but not homosexuality itself D: plus most religion teach that you should love everyone--so using god as an excuse is unacceptable :/
...uh yeah... long pointless rant about the bible XD;;;; /shot
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03-29-2007, 02:32 AM
Actually, you're correct on the bible not directly condemning it. Hell, no one minded in the early days. There were even two gay saints in the Bible, though I can't recall their names for the life of me. But then the Church went around and decided that OMG. It was wrong. It didn't produce babies, so there couldn't be more Christians to carry on their faith. So the old religious men quietly erased the gay saints and started going on against it.
Silly Christianity.
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03-29-2007, 02:39 AM
i've actually read the part where God gives Moses the... instructions. /cannot think of a better word/ >_o;; and i recall reading about incest, sex before marriage, loving an animal, etc. etc. but i do not recall anything about same sex being sinful ;;; must check again @ [email protected]
and i didn't know about the gay saints! D: i must look for their names now XD
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03-29-2007, 02:40 AM
T... That's terrible! o_o; I figured since the Bible was translated so many times, that it'd be a little skewed, but I didn't expect them to take things out like that! :B
Silly parents, tricking me like that!
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03-29-2007, 02:41 AM
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Actually, you're correct on the bible not directly condemning it. Hell, no one minded in the early days. There were even two gay saints in the Bible, though I can't recall their names for the life of me. But then the Church went around and decided that OMG. It was wrong. It didn't produce babies, so there couldn't be more Christians to carry on their faith. So the old religious men quietly erased the gay saints and started going on against it.
Silly Christianity.
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mhm, I agree.
:lol: OMG, no babies.
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03-29-2007, 02:46 AM
lulz. I know I have their names somewhere. My gay neighbors got married with them as the wedding patron saints, so I got it. It's just... lost in the mother's paper stacks of death.
EDIT: HAH! Got the names. They're Sergius and Bacchus, two Roman soldiers and some of Christianity's earliest martyrs.
But you gotta remember about the babies- it was important then to have lots of kids. After all, very few lived onto adulthood. Had to continue on the bloodline somehow. Nowadays baby-making isn't so important because we have too many freaking people, but back then... yeah. Babies were a HUGE thing.
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03-29-2007, 03:07 AM
rar...this is a rehash, but unfortunately the old thread has been pruned, so I guess I'll post it again.
Personally, I take a "hate the sin, love the sinner" approach. I do not believe homosexuality to be right, and I refuse to do anything to support it or encourage others towards it. However, I do not hate people who happen to be practitioners thereof (much to the contrary, I've been friends with several people who were openly homosexual, even after they were aware of my views on the matter). As long as you're not flaunting your sexuality in my face every chance you get as a badge of honor or insisting I join you in planning the next Rainbow Alliance event, we're cool. There's nothing to be gained by hating other people, and even as a Christian (Roman Catholic to be precise, in my case), we're not called to hate others, but rather to love them.
As to Biblical condemnation of homosexuality, it states in Leviticus that "you shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman, for it is an abomination." As this is smack in the middle of all the other sexual laws, it's quite unambiguous what it's stating.
Some will argue that since Jesus came the Mosaic laws no longer apply, but that is faulty on two levels. First, Jesus stated that he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfil it (read: pay the price for all violations of it). Thus, the Mosaic laws are not automatically null and void. The other point people refer to is Paul's stating in his letter to the Romans that the Gentiles do not need to be circumcized, in spite of what is said in the Mosaic laws. Here, he points out that the Jews are still bound by the laws, but the Gentiles have never been under the laws. He condemns allowing violations of morality under the law, but practices such as circumcision and kosher are Judaic practices, and as people are becoming Christians and not Jews, adherence to those specific kinds of practices are not necessary (as further demonstrated by the fact that Christians don't celebrate Passover and Hanukkah the way that the Jews do).
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03-29-2007, 03:07 AM
Yeah, the Bible has been edited numerous times over the years. And yet..! Some people want to follow it utterly, unquestioningly. It's sort of sad.. that these people don't at least do research about their religion before they decided to follow it. x.x;
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03-29-2007, 03:14 AM
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rar...this is a rehash, but unfortunately the old thread has been pruned, so I guess I'll post it again.
Personally, I take a "hate the sin, love the sinner" approach. I do not believe homosexuality to be right, and I refuse to do anything to support it or encourage others towards it. However, I do not hate people who happen to be practitioners thereof (much to the contrary, I've been friends with several people who were openly homosexual, even after they were aware of my views on the matter). As long as you're not flaunting your sexuality in my face every chance you get as a badge of honor or insisting I join you in planning the next Rainbow Alliance event, we're cool. There's nothing to be gained by hating other people, and even as a Christian (Roman Catholic to be precise, in my case), we're not called to hate others, but rather to love them.
As to Biblical condemnation of homosexuality, it states in Leviticus that "you shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman, for it is an abomination." As this is smack in the middle of all the other sexual laws, it's quite unambiguous what it's stating.
Some will argue that since Jesus came the Mosaic laws no longer apply, but that is faulty on two levels. First, Jesus stated that he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfil it (read: pay the price for all violations of it). Thus, the Mosaic laws are not automatically null and void. The other point people refer to is Paul's stating in his letter to the Romans that the Gentiles do not need to be circumcized, in spite of what is said in the Mosaic laws. Here, he points out that the Jews are still bound by the laws, but the Gentiles have never been under the laws. He condemns allowing violations of morality under the law, but practices such as circumcision and kosher are Judaic practices, and as people are becoming Christians and not Jews, adherence to those specific kinds of practices are not necessary (as further demonstrated by the fact that Christians don't celebrate Passover and Hanukkah the way that the Jews do).
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:) I agree with this completely.
:x Flaunting Homosexuality is just....x-x
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03-29-2007, 03:57 AM
I have no problem with it. Many of many friends are bi-sexual and homosexual, along with a couple of transgender folk.
I grew up with seeing no problem with it. I remember my dad making a point of there being nothing wrong with being Homosexual when I was about 7/8, telling me how his neighbors were a lesbian couple and that him and his now wife were one of the few on the block treated them as humans on the block. This was in the early 90's in Las Vegas. My mother best friend is a gay man, and I know him quite well. I've known he was gay since I was about 11, now I'm 22.
To the bible view, I had a Catholic Friend of mine explain it. He was saying the newer translation actually go fully to say even lesbians are bad, but with the quote that was quoted above, that makes only gay men wrong. But he was saying the orignal saying was "A Man shall not lie with another man in a woman's bed." Making it bad to have gay sex in a women's bed. Not that being gay it's self was bad.
I also had another christian friend explaining that Jesus said you can not pick and choose the old testament laws. Meaning if your going to tell hmosexuals it bad to be gay, you better not being eating fish or wearing clothing of 2 different materials. Of course, no one practices what they preach.
me, I also fully support gay rights, and that they should be able to marry. marriage started as a way to trade some goats, later just got the religious connotations added on later. even read a wonderful book showing the both Catholic and Orthodox churchs, before the Schism, alloud gay marriages.
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03-29-2007, 02:22 PM
I can't understand how someone's sexual orientation can change who they are.
I have no problem with homosexuality - what a person does in the bedroom is none of my business.
It pains me how many people still think that it's a 'choice' and that someone can change something like sexual preference.
I know when my younger brother came out I had many long talks with my parents when they were trying to understand, deal with it themselves, and be supportive of my brother. He is so luck to have such wonderful parents - they could of made his life hell - but while they didn't understand why he was gay they accepted him and let him know that they didn't love him any less.
I tried to explain to my mom that she like guys, she didn't choose to like guy - she just does. Well - it's the same way for him.
I had to explain to my Dad that it wasn't his fault - my brother didn't work on cars with him or participate in other 'manly' activities because they don't interest him and no matter of he was forced to do those things his preferences wouldn't change.
It seems that more and more people are accepting homosexuality- even if they don't understand the why of it. But I also live in a very liberal neighborhood - my neighbors are an older lesbian couple with 2 kids, and I see gay and lesbian couple all the time in the grocery store, out to eat, and enjoying every day life like all people should be able to.
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