I recognise that story - I think it's from the Bible. @[email protected]

One of my best friends is a lesbian, and I'm fine with that. I'm totally cool with homosexuals wanting to get married, which in my opinion, they should be allowed to do. I also think that most homosexuals are awesome people who don't deserve the hatred and bigotry just because they love someone with a body like their own.

I don't, however, appreciate gay people who are all up in their gayness, acting like they're better than other people or they need special treatment because they're homosexual. (I've come across many gay people who act this way. They're annoying.) And another thing that bugs me (but in truth, this goes for hetero couples too) is PDA, or public display of affection. That's gross. ): Keep that to yourselves, k?

And--we know that certain genes predispose certain conditions, behaviors, etc, but we don't know everything.

[color=indigo]okay, they may be predisposed for that, but that doesn't excuse their behavior. people who are predisposed for anger are trained to control that. once again, there is no need for homosexuality. we need to unite the people, not separate them.

we need to find a correction for this to make it productive.[/color]

With the whole bible subject, I'm not really christian, but I do know in one story I read in rvelations I think. There were these bad people chasing down a man wanting to have sex with him. The man ran to a house and the father of the house hold begged the bad people to not have sex with the man and so he offered the bad people a concubine AND HIS OWN VIRGING DAUGHTER. The next morning the father of the household found the concubine dead so he cut her body into 12 peices and spread them out all across different parts of th land. I was like what on bleeping earth did I just read? Did that really come from the bible?? What on earth are these people promoting, and why is the front of this book titled HOLY bible.
I though it was wrather deranged.

I believe those are two different stories, none of which appears in revelations. the first one was in sodom, were two angels came down as men and the homosexuals wanted to have sex with them so bad they wanted to break down the door to get to them. in order to protect them, he offered his daughters to try to save them. but they didnt want that.

the second story was of a gang rape and murder. the father was so upset he sent pieces to the 12 cities the people came from to bring shame on them. the bible does not support this, only telling what happened at the time. the bible doesn't try to sugar coat or hide any truth. the bible is not a story book for children. those things are still happening today, turn on the news. I think it gives good support to the bible showing how people without god back then act the same as people with out god today. but that is a different debate al together

but if it was in revelations, then it wasn't a literal term, but referring to events or conditions that would happen later on.

I don't know about y'all but lesbians are hot XD
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yu0WIWX6R8c

Forcing people to change things that are not harming anyone is what is seperating us--apparantly no one has figured out over the course of history that trying to make people to conform is a mistake. We need to learn from our mistakes, not continue to make them.

It is unproductive to try and force everyone to be the same. It is unproductive to try and erradicate something that is not harmful. It is unproductive to deny people happiness because you don't agree with it. It is unproductive to be so closed minded that you think homosexuality is a problem that requires correction.

We are stagnating as people, stuck in this cycle of oppression. We cannot move forward and find balance because of people like you who want to control the actions of others--this is not an issue of productivity but of power.

It's inhumane.

differences and separations in social class and structure is the problem with the world. it is well known with people who share the same goals and purpose in life work better together rather then people who coexist with people of different likes and dislikes.

it has also proven that idle things are wasteful, much like TV watching for hours on end. their time and energy could be better spent on other things.

look at all the nations, governmental groups, religions, race, social classes, and gangs with different ideas of life. how well do they get along?

clearly every one doing what ever they want is not working out. I mean look at the 'free world', as the widest range of free thought and expression in the world but also has the world's highest murder rate.

As long as there is more than a handful of people in the world there will always be class differences. Communism doesn't work because of human nature. You're not going to change human nature, therefore you cannot change seperation. People will always be fearful, greedy, self-concious, gluttonous, etc. That is just how the world is. Fighting it is pointless and unproductive.

What people do in their own homes is their perogative. If people want to be idle they get to be idle. How does this even figure into this conversation? We're back to the argument that homosexual sex does not produce children--well heterosexual married couples also have non-reproductive sex all the time. Is that idle as well?

The problem is instead of advocating acceptance and trying to find balance, everyone is scrambling to get on top. Those who are being oppressed are trying to get the rights that they deserve--giving all the advantages to white males is not acceptable in this day and age and yet they still are the most likely to do well in life.

There is a stratification in our society that you are ignoring here and now--but that is not what we are debating.


I still contend that trying to control the actions of others is not the way to create peace. You are only creating the reaction of people fighting back.

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  I don't have a vendetta against homosexuality if that's what you're getting at,
  but I am a bit irked by those flamboyant enough to cross-dress and act like a
  sex they are not apart of.
  

I don't really mind it, but I would never myself consider being Christian. It's just a personal preference that people choose. I tend to make jokes about it, but, I don't mind it. I wouldn't like a man hitting on my though, that's for sure. :oops:

So much talk about how homosexuality is unproductive and therefor useless.

Look around the world.

We have tons of people. We are in no dire need to reproduce.
In fact we are running out of room.

Originally Posted by Tea

So much talk about how homosexuality is unproductive and therefor useless.

Look around the world.

We have tons of people. We are in no dire need to reproduce.
In fact we are running out of room.

I would like to know what some of those people feel about those are are childfree or can not reproduce. By their logic, they are unproductive because they aren't popping out children.

I think we dealth with this a couple of pages back?

No, we debated without the involvement of reproduction. In The Collection's opinion homosexuality was still unproductive even without the inclusion of children -- thinking about that now you could say any intimate relationship was, excluding the fact happiness leads to greater productivity, and babies should just be test tube, end of story because I'm tangenting badly.

*muses*

I agree with Tea, we've got more problems with overpopulation than falling birthrates because more homosexuals are 'coming out the closet' (it was only made legal in Britain in, like, the '60s!). Besides, they can still have and raise children, if they like...

Personally, I'm a straight girl. So here's my opinion on the matter.

I think we were all created and from then on we decided how our life goes. Many parents are controlling of their children and teach them not to stray into becoming bisexual or homosexual. Personally, I believe

THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

As a human, we have the rights to be how we want. I hate seeing people be judged solely based on their sexuality. A lesbian girl could be the coolest person and a potential best friend but to reject and shun her because you are against lesbians is wrong. I think we're all equal and should be based on our personalities over what gender we're interested in. I don't think bisexuals and homosexuals are any worse than straight people.

Basically, labeling someone as a freak because their sexuality is wrong. Plus, a lot of people question what they really are. Gay? Straight? Bi? I'm 100% sure I'm straight. But that's just me :3

I personally don't like girls being into me. First off, because I'm taken. And secondly, it seems and feels off to me. It's only a little worse than a creepy guy liking me though xD. My friend is bisexual. She's weird, but not because she's bi. She's been weird her whole life. Her coming out doesn't change her personality. She's still the same, crazy, fun girl she's always been. But deep down, her liking girls somewhat bothers me.

Anyone who is against homosexuality is against freedom of thought. And freedom of speech. Therefore your parents are breaking the American constitution... They are becoming an enforcer of their own law and that is... Blasphemous? Heresy? Treason?... Damn... I was on a role...

Sorry if you're not American, I assume everyone online to be so... Even though I live in New Zealand... Is it true that you have to speak it out loud every day at school? What are the words? I'm a little ignorant of stuff like this sorry...

Originally Posted by Darkblack_cat

Anyone who is against homosexuality is against freedom of thought. And freedom of speech. Therefore your parents are breaking the American constitution... They are becoming an enforcer of their own law and that is... Blasphemous? Heresy? Treason?... Damn... I was on a role...

Sorry if you're not American, I assume everyone online to be so... Even though I live in New Zealand... Is it true that you have to speak it out loud every day at school? What are the words? I'm a little ignorant of stuff like this sorry...

Oh, I'm American =3. Whether that's a good thing or not, I have yet to decide >__<. Are you talking about the Pledge Of Allegiance?

I don't have a problem with it I grew up thinking being gay was normal!
But my boy friend does have a problem with it :(

it was ok til the getting married part. its just my opinion, purely based on my religious beliefs.. dont mind me..

Originally Posted by yanyan13

it was ok til the getting married part. its just my opinion, purely based on my religious beliefs.. dont mind me..

If it makes you feel better they don't have to get married at a church. Marriage is also a legal thing and you don't have to be a priest to... condone (I don't know if that's the right word... it prolly isn't) marriage nowadays.

Originally Posted by Darkblack_cat

If it makes you feel better they don't have to get married at a church. Marriage is also a legal thing and you don't have to be a priest to... condone (I don't know if that's the right word... it prolly isn't) marriage nowadays.

well, truth is I dont really want to be a butthead and poke my head into other people's lives. i dont mind having friends whose preference is the same sex (as long as they dont try to get too close to me, if you know what i mean XD). Mutual relationships are prolly ok, but if it goes beyond that, I dun really like it XD by that, im sure you guys prolly know what i mean XD stick your star in the star-socket? circle in the circle-socket? spoon goes to mouth? ehehe.. ok now im getting weird.

Originally Posted by yanyan13

well, truth is I dont really want to be a butthead and poke my head into other people's lives. i dont mind having friends whose preference is the same sex (as long as they dont try to get too close to me, if you know what i mean XD). Mutual relationships are prolly ok, but if it goes beyond that, I dun really like it XD by that, im sure you guys prolly know what i mean XD stick your star in the star-socket? circle in the circle-socket? spoon goes to mouth? ehehe.. ok now im getting weird.

Square goes in the circle socket silly nilly! lol (prooved that first year of primary school, needed a hammer though... still... I've always enjoyed prooving teachers wrong... or at least making them work hard to proove themselves right instead of the usual "teacher tells, students write" rubbish)...

Originally Posted by Darkblack_cat

If it makes you feel better they don't have to get married at a church. Marriage is also a legal thing and you don't have to be a priest to... condone (I don't know if that's the right word... it prolly isn't) marriage nowadays.

Plus, there are a lot of people who aren't religious that still decide to get married in a church setting. Yet there are people are have a major problem with a Gay, Christian person getting married in a church. Or even going to one every Sunday.

People need to realize that Marriage is not just a religious thing. You have to remember that the minute you get married you get hundred of benefits from the government. You don't have to get married in a Church---which is which one of my cousin did before he went into the army.

I don't have a problem with it, mostly because I am. xD ;

Though i know what it's like when your parents try to convience you that you're wrong. Saying that you're just in a phase. or people saying you're going to 'turn ' them gay. I'm sorry, gay isn't something i believe is learned. I didn't learn to be the way I am. I was born this way. Noone in my family is gay and noone i knew before i started messing with men was either. so it's not an 'enviromentaly learned' thing as some people like to try to convience themselves

Anyway. No problem here ;)

oh man, i hate all the people that run around with those freaking triangle and rainbow pins and shirts and flags. i was at the mall with a few people and the girl that sat down next to us has a HUGE ♀♀ rainbow print on her shirt, an armband with a triangle on it, another one with gir on it, and a japanese phrasebook. and like, purple, blue, and brown hair.

but i digress.

i have problems with people that blatantly advertise OH HEY LOOK I'M GAY LOL.

Originally Posted by zephy

oh man, i hate all the people that run around with those freaking triangle and rainbow pins and shirts and flags. i was at the mall with a few people and the girl that sat down next to us has a HUGE ♀♀ rainbow print on her shirt, an armband with a triangle on it, another one with gir on it, and a japanese phrasebook. and like, purple, blue, and brown hair.

but i digress.

i have problems with people that blatantly advertise OH HEY LOOK I'M GAY LOL.

What's wrong with pride? People do it everyday--college shirts, bands, race, etc.

i really don't like the 'look at me, i'm a unique little snowflake in a blizzard of conformity because i like the same gender', which is why a lot of people do wear the little pride emblems.

colleges and band logos are totally different subjects.
... the race card is annoying since i really don't like special interest groups, so someone wearing a black pride shirt would bother me. same as with a white pride shirt.

Originally Posted by Shikyo

What's wrong with pride? People do it everyday--college shirts, bands, race, etc.