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04-15-2007, 12:30 AM
ok everyone that hasn't been living under a rock for the past few days had heard about Imus and his now famous remark calling the women's basketball team a bunch of "nappy headed hoes" (I hope it's ok to put that quote up here) at first I thought it'd all blow over you know what's one remark? I was wrong. For the past few days it's all the news stations are talking about. It seemed as if the more he apologized, the harsher they were on him. I suppose its fine for rappers to call their women that word. but if a white man says its, its racist. I don't believe he should have said it, yes it was wrong I don't think anyone will say that it wasn't. I hate that word, but for the media and everyone else to jump him about it is also wrong, he lost his job, and the media is treating him like garbage. However, the thing that upset me the most was the intervention of Al Sharpten and Jesse Jackson @ [email protected] sweet jeebus, they made this whole thing even worse (like everything else they stick their noses in) If they had just been called "hoes" and they were white would they have cared? No. If they were black and simply called "hoes" would they have cared? Yes. Now I'm not saying there was nothing racist about this I know there was but they jump on everything racist or not, like the whole Duke scandel. Point being these people are racist as well, they are known anti-semetics and are generally simply unfair where whites are concerned. Where do they feel they have earned the right to speak? They are morally outraged at everything that might possibly upset an African American (race related or no) in the mean time they devastate everyone involved, and draw what is often unwated attentinon to the people they are trying to "defend" Anyways this was just my little rant that was spurred by the annoyingly absurd amount of news coverage on the subject I'm sorry if my thoughts seem really unorganized I'll probably organize them a bit at a later time
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-How do you feel about the Imus situation?
-How do you feel about the amount of news coverage on the subject should they or should they not just let it go?
-Reverse racism, do you think it's a problem, or that it even exists?
-Anything else?
(I don't mean to offend anyone this is just my opinion)
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04-15-2007, 01:11 AM
I would be pissed if anyone called me a "nappy headed hoe" and I'm as white as they come.
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Yes. Again, I don't think anyone wants or deserves to be called ridiculous names.
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04-15-2007, 01:25 AM
-How do you feel about the Imus situation?
im black, and i feel that what he said wasnt really that bad, whatever happened to freedom of speach why should we condem him, why is it a black person can make fun of a white person-and everyone laugh, but when a white person says something about a black person all hell brakes loose..im tired of everyone playing the race card, just shut up already....and al sharpton is a joke, what the hell-he a piece of cra! what exactly does he do but run is oversized mouth off...
-How do you feel about the amount of news coverage on the subject
should they or should they not just let it go?
im tired of hearing about it, they should cover more important things, like the war, the homeless, the health care system, or all the child molestors they are letting run around free...
i feel what he sad was not that racist, cause from the looks of it the girls on the team could use a hair straightener, and maybe they really are hoes.... :wink:
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04-15-2007, 01:41 AM
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or all the child molestors they are letting run around free...
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Who is letting 'all the child molestors' run free?
The media?
I thought it was the police force's job to capture those who break the law!
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04-15-2007, 01:43 AM
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or all the child molestors they are letting run around free...
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Who is letting 'all the child molestors' run free?
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did i say the media are letting them go around free no, i said they should cover more important issues :roll:
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04-15-2007, 01:48 AM
Although I do think it was wrong of him to say something like that, he's been saying things like that for years and only because he directed it at the black minority in such a way was the reaction so large. He's been saying things like that for years about other minorities but nobody has ever said anything.
I think his two week suspension was enough and firing him was just blowing this totally out of poportuion.
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04-15-2007, 02:07 AM
I felt that the remarks were completely uncalled for, but everyone is playing up the racist aspect of it while ignoring the sexist aspect of the commentary. Why isn't there more outrage against the other guy who was on the program? Why aren't more people upset that the championship women's basketball team was not looked at for their accomplishment, but rather got the comment "the girls from Tennessee, they all looked cute." Imus was essentially judging the worth of the basketball players based on who he percieved looked attractive, and he degraded those he didn't find attractive. That to me was a major problem.
Another problem I had with the whole thing was how they decided to fire him. They didn't decide to fire him until sponsors pulled out. That sets a dangerous precedent for the amount of control an advertiser has over media content.
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04-15-2007, 04:06 AM
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or all the child molestors they are letting run around free...
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Who is letting 'all the child molestors' run free?
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did i say the media are letting them go around free no, i said they should cover more important issues :roll:
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Sure, but your grammar was flawed.
You said 'all the child molestors THEY let run free.'
Who is they?
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04-15-2007, 04:46 AM
I must admit that I didn't read all that was said in this topic, but I have only one thing to say...
[one of] THE BIGGEST RULE OF MEDIA
You can say it on telivision, but not on the radio.
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04-15-2007, 01:26 PM
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-How do you feel about the Imus situation?
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"Ugh" pretty much covers it. =\
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-How do you feel about the amount of news coverage on the subject should they or should they not just let it go?
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I think they should let it go. He was punished already. Keeping him in the media only gives him more notoriety. He should have been dealt with, a statement been given about it, then shoved into a dark closet. Focusing on it only ignores other issues..
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No. There is only racism. There is no "reverse" about it. It's just people being racist. Al Sharpton degrading those Duke players even though they were cleared because "he figures they must have done something wrong"? That is racism. I think he needs to be fired.
I find being called a "hoe" or a "whore" far more degrading than "nappy haired". I have many black friends who don't even find "nappy" offensive. =\ Heck, when I used to live with one of them, she used to piss and moan every morning about how "nappy" she looked until she got around to doing her hair. And then she'd tell me to shave my head so she could have my hair.
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04-15-2007, 01:57 PM
I think this whole thing got blown out of proportion. Sure he should not have said what he said, but it shouldn't be the big deal that it's become. Nor should he have gotten fired, suspended like they orginally said they were going to do. It doesn't need to be breaking news. There's more imporant issues that should be addressed.
Like Stilettolover said, racism is just racism. It's not the white people getting the black man down, it's everyone getting everyone down. Blacks are just as to blame for racism as white people. I cannot believe the way they Duke players are being treated or were being treated. It was obvious that women was a lying piece of work, but because she was from a poorer black community going after rich white boys she got all that backup and undeserved back up. Al Sharpton is living in the past, he's living in a time were the White people did go after the Blacks for one thing or another, and while there is still some of that left with older folks, it's not the general case anymore. He's going about his fight all wrong, he's not fighting for freedom and rights, he's fighting for his spot in a history book, and for all the wrong reasons. He's the one attacking white people now, he's the one whose keeping racism alive.
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04-15-2007, 06:28 PM
- I'm tired of that "oh well rappers use that talk in their music why cant I?"
If you feel so strongly about that rappers shouldn't use it why the hell are you adding to it.
Those girls did nothing to Imus and he got what he deserved.
Would you want your child (if some of you ever get one) to be called a hoe?
or a nappy headed hoe?
And it's a sexist thing before it's a racist thing.
Imus was fired for his years of him and his guests saying something racist or sexist.
Like he had a guest that said Venus & Serena Williams would be better fit in a national geographic book other than the tennis court.
Imus got what he deserved.
Some of you need to watch CNN because they covered all of this conversation way before you even thought of making this post.
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04-15-2007, 07:14 PM
I think I read an article on this in the Times magazine. Honestly, I think it's a pretty sexist thing to say, and I know that if a guy called me a hoe, I would not react very kindly to it. But, it's funny how after this happens, other statements that had caused a controversey over the years are brought up again, and even rated based on the outrageous level.
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04-16-2007, 11:00 AM
I've never heard of this incident but I have two things to say;
1. It's never okay to call anybody nasty things.
2. Bringing race into a situation where it was not an issue is a racist thing to do. Because the person who does so is the person who believes that there are differences between races.
I do think racism works both ways. There do seem to be one set of rules for one bunch of people and different ones for another. No matter what kind of rules these are (like irish/black/jewish comedians getting away with more race jokes) it's still racism and it's still wrong.
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04-16-2007, 11:16 AM
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2. Bringing race into a situation where it was not an issue is a racist thing to do. Because the person who does so is the person who believes that there are differences between races.
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Do you know what nappy means?
So you are saying that all races are the same -.-?
That's just an ignorant thing to say.
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04-16-2007, 04:21 PM
-How do you feel about the Imus situation?
Don't care,but everyone is bound to atleast think comment like this once in
there life time,you wouldn't be human if you didn't .
-How do you feel about the amount of news coverage on the subject should they or should they not just let it go?
It only because he's a star & thats how reporter make there money so I be leave it's ok.
-Reverse racism, do you think it's a problem, or that it even exists?
Yes and people that do nutting get in trouble for it & bad people us it to get out of trouble
-Anything else?
nope
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04-16-2007, 05:38 PM
I don't think that this incident will provoke any special talks or changes in the way people speak (black men degrading black women by calling them bitches and hoes, etc), because it was mentioned that after hurricane Katrina there would be talks of race and whatnot, and that never really materialised. I think that this will blow over, and life will go back to the way it has been for the last 40 years.
It would take something massively offensive and just unbelievably terrible for something to happen to the music industry and general use of language around the USA and the world (but mostly the USA, lol).
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04-16-2007, 06:34 PM
im quite sick of it to be honest. until i read your post i didnt know what he had said. and i had been quite curious. i thought it would be something along those lines but i dont think the amount of couverage its gotten is really worth it (same with anna nicole smith and the paternity of her baby but whatever XP)
im glad he appoligised to the girls. And I think with that he should be forgiven he sees that he went wrong. I dont think he should have lost his job over it though, a suspension is in order imo but to lose his job? wtf? i hear random people on mtv say more degrading things and they get paid millions for it.
-Reverse racism, do you think it's a problem, or that it even exists?
I think there is a problem with reverse racism.
I honestly do. Kids were taken to court for trying to create a white kids club because the asians have one, the african americans have one, the mexicans have one, and those are all allowed. theyre allowed to be proud of their race, but white kids cant? they all have specific scholarships for their race but us poor white folks dont. it annoys me to no end. am i going to go around trying to fix this injustice? no. because i dont want to be called a white supremicist or whatever. its just not worth it to me. Ill make my way in life as i think everyone should do regardless of race. But I dont think anyone should have to be forced to not be proud of who they are, or ashamed to not be something else. or have others degrade them in such a public fashion. if Imus thinks theyre a bunch of nappy headed hos he should have kept it to himself. if you cant say something nice then dont say anything at all. end of story.
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04-16-2007, 06:49 PM
This is more directed at Foam's comment than anything.
The truth is, yes, each race acts slightly differently. Sure, some people are more radical (you will always get people like that in the world) & some are barely different at all.
But, about the subject of this all - I believe it's been blown out-of-proportion. :/
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04-16-2007, 09:17 PM
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I suppose its fine for rappers to call their women that word. but if a white man says its, its racist.
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I can't tell you how sick I get of hearing this when the issue of race pops up. How come every time a white person lands themselves in hot water with the black society they always have to say " HEY! If a black person does it then why can't I?!" and they always want to bring up rappers too.
Well listen, considering that you have no gain at all from saying it, unlike them who are making CD's and thousands of dollars, then keep your mouth shut.
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]If they had just been called "hoes" and they were white would they have cared? No. If they were black and simply called "hoes" would they have cared? Yes.
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It's outrageous either way, don't try to play it off like it's all racial. Those girls worked hard regardless of ethnicity and therefore didn't deserve to be called out of their respective names; especially when they are sports players.
Personally when I heard all of this I was shocked. I'm a 15-year-old black female, mind you. When this news came to my attention I didn't think " THAT RACIST IDIOT!!" no, i though " Hey, c'mon, they didn't deserve to be insulted for that ". Who said that every time someone says " nappy headed hoe" then it's supposed to be referring to a black person? A white girls hair can be nappy and they can be a hoe. From my understanding I believe there's white girls on that team. From a racial point of view I could really care less and I was more outraged that he'd say that about those girls that put all their hearts into winning than black girls.
Where you seem to be going is blaming the blacks for taking it racially. " How come a black kid can say this and I can't?" Okay, so if someone shoots a man in the leg you're going to do it to? Want me to lead a conga line off of a bridge? NO! Just because one person does it doesn't make it right.
If a white man walks up to me and says " Yo, Nigger " I'd punch him in the face.
If a black man walks up to me and says " Yo, Nigger " I'd punch him in the face harder because he should know better than to say that crap to me in the first place. I don't live on a god-forsaken plantation and neither does he.
Now, I'm not saying that what he said was right, my whole post was going against it in the first place. At the same time I don't think that the way people are taking this is right either. There's a time and a place to say everything and he got caught at the wrong time and place. I also think the way you're (umi237) taking this is also wrong; although I don't understand neither ways don't you think that you both have good reasons for thinking the way you do.
Black people get sensitive when the race issue comes around but personally I think it's time to stop tip-toeing around the subject and face it head on. Racism is alive and well and people need to stop taking so much to heart and learn to grow some skin.
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04-16-2007, 11:38 PM
We were SO talking about this in law studies the other day. I think this is bogus. Even comedians agree (BLACK comedians at that. Rather respected people as well), why is it okay for a Black or Other Ethnicity to use the saying and make millions.. but when someone like Al Sharpton says it for giggles- He gets grief? I hate the double-standard in America for the most part, it's definitely not helping with the whole "let's be equal and whole as a unified nation of one" type deal.
You know what I also hate? When something like this happens and the people at my school, being as ignorant as ever pinpoint every white person and hold a grudge against them. As if I'm responsible for what he said.
Basically, people need to grow up, shut up and some whining about the small minute details and start worrying about the big issues. Like, this God-forsaken war and bringing our troops home or what the hell are we going to do with the rain forest is completely gone? I smell oxygen tanks in our generation's future.
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04-17-2007, 07:17 AM
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We were SO talking about this in law studies the other day. I think this is bogus. Even comedians agree (BLACK comedians at that. Rather respected people as well), why is it okay for a Black or Other Ethnicity to use the saying and make millions.. but when someone like Al Sharpton says it for giggles- He gets grief? I hate the double-standard in America for the most part, it's definitely not helping with the whole "let's be equal and whole as a unified nation of one" type deal.
You know what I also hate? When something like this happens and the people at my school, being as ignorant as ever pinpoint every white person and hold a grudge against them. As if I'm responsible for what he said.
Basically, people need to grow up, shut up and some whining about the small minute details and start worrying about the big issues. Like, this God-forsaken war and bringing our troops home or what the hell are we going to do with the rain forest is completely gone? I smell oxygen tanks in our generation's future.
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but its so much easier to down play everything else our contry has going on that we cant fix and concentrate on something that someone already appoligised for. I mean if we werent so cought up in celebrity drama, and who said what/ who was wearing what designer and whos pregnant the government would undoubtably have a huge outcry for our troops to come home. Im so pissed that theyre still over there its not even funny. Those soldiers are missing their kids grow up. thats time they wont ever get back. and yet here we are forgetting about them, the soldiers out there sacrificing their lives because the government told them to, so we can sit at home and bitch and moan that a white guy said something that black guys say all the time. :/ bull shit.
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04-17-2007, 11:20 AM
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We were SO talking about this in law studies the other day. I think this is bogus. Even comedians agree (BLACK comedians at that. Rather respected people as well), why is it okay for a Black or Other Ethnicity to use the saying and make millions.. but when someone like Al Sharpton says it for giggles- He gets grief? I hate the double-standard in America for the most part, it's definitely not helping with the whole "let's be equal and whole as a unified nation of one" type deal.
You know what I also hate? When something like this happens and the people at my school, being as ignorant as ever pinpoint every white person and hold a grudge against them. As if I'm responsible for what he said.
Basically, people need to grow up, shut up and some whining about the small minute details and start worrying about the big issues. Like, this God-forsaken war and bringing our troops home or what the hell are we going to do with the rain forest is completely gone? I smell oxygen tanks in our generation's future.
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but its so much easier to down play everything else our contry has going on that we cant fix and concentrate on something that someone already appoligised for. I mean if we werent so cought up in celebrity drama, and who said what/ who was wearing what designer and whos pregnant the government would undoubtably have a huge outcry for our troops to come home. Im so pissed that theyre still over there its not even funny. Those soldiers are missing their kids grow up. thats time they wont ever get back. and yet here we are forgetting about them, the soldiers out there sacrificing their lives because the government told them to, so we can sit at home and bitch and moan that a white guy said something that black guys say all the time. :/ bull shit.
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I agree with you x10. It's really disgusting that this country is so materialistic and fake. Gossip, Gossip, Gossip -- People run on that like as if it was fuel or something. I really hate how people think if a celebrity does something that it should be all over the national news. Like, for instance Britney shaving her head. Would that make headlines over the Virginia Tech shooting? Probably. Because America is just that corrupt.
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04-17-2007, 08:58 PM
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sit at home and bitch and moan that a white guy said something that black guys say all the time. :/ bull shit.
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Here we go again with this black on white situation. No matter what happens it'll always end up that " If a rapper does it then we should be able to also!"
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04-17-2007, 09:11 PM
Uhm. I'd like the make the point that...
Not all rappers are black. .__.'
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