Hey... It's your body.right? I watched an interesting video on prostitution... O_o really I don't see how Surrogacy is anything different then having your own baby ><;; everyone is a consenting adult jeez people...

It is, but it still annoys me. I was talking to the girl the article is about not too long ago, and we were worried that this would be what happened. It was a WEEK LONG interview with her. Of the week long time frame they spent less than 3 hours discussing insurance etc...and yet the entire article is about her using the military insurance for the surrogacy pregnancy.
I'm starting to think the outside world doesn't think military families pay taxes. :/ We paid them before we were in the military, we pay them now, and we'll pay them when we get out of the military. And I have no problem with people who want to help someone else in this way using their military insurance to cover the pregnancy. The way I see it people should be happy that we're not having more of the service mens babies...then they'd be covering the cost of all the medical bills of the birth and the baby for the next 18 years. HA! Or the women could be going out and cheating on their husbands and making the husband raise the babies that aren't even his...ya know like half the rest of the world is doing. (okay, I'm generalizing, but I'm still pretty livid about the turn the reporters took to this article).
They made it all about the money and the insurance. While the money is nice, it's not enough to live off of, it wasn't given to us as a lump sum, it was spread through out the duration of the pregnancy. Had my husband lost his job, we wouldn't have been able to live off of what they were giving us. The idea that they put out there being that this woman was strapped for cash was a load of bull, even she's trying to figure out where they got that from since her husband was working for the coast guard up until the severance package for them came in, so he was still getting paid up until that point. It's just...annoying. And now she's getting hate mail comments and crying because of this, and I know that if I was in her shoes I would be crying too...hell I kinda am in her shoes, it's just no one knows to attack me for it.

You try to do something nice for someone...and what happens? You get shit thrown at you by the rest of the population.

Well you know what world? Fuck you. Specially to all the haters who don't think that these people deserve to have children because of God wanted them to, they would be able to... well ya know what, God made a way for us to give them children. Some of the most loved children in teh world because these parents know what it's like to want to have children FOR YEARS and have no success in the matter. Unlike the general population (like me ) who gets pregnant when her husband looks at her right way. >.<

I totally understand... and in a way I sort of see a point from the insurance fight too... And I mean sort of in that I have an argument to throw at them more then to argue for them... if that makes since XD

I want to start off by saying that I think that what you... Or any other surrogate does is not short of being worthy of sainthood in my eyes... Paid or not it is a completely selfless act. It is something I don't think I could ever even fathom getting my head around.

But as far as insurance goes. Most military wives lose their husbands to deployment so I think that her husbands giving of possibly everything (including life and limb) is more then enough incentive to keep a mother on the insurance her baby or not... What gets me most angry is that I have looked for a medical insurance that will cover my next pregnancy. And none exist. I kid you not I cannot find ANYTHING to cover pregnancy... Mine or otherwise... THAT in my opinion is WRONG!!! And it slightly irks me that you can be covered for a child that is not yours through the military but because I am a civilian I can't... I don't blame you for that I just think it is wrong on the governments behalf... People are going to reproduce... why not cover all pregnancy... and require ALL insurances to cover pregnancy period... **ok off the soap box**

Just a little bit of info though 20-25k is more then enough for my family to live on... Dillon only makes about $18,000 a year... And we live off of his income... A family of 4. But from what the article was saying it almost sounds like even if I was interested in becoming a surrogate I would be turned down because my lack of insurance would mean the intended couple would have to pay more to find me a policy... :/

No, I know a few surrogates that got a second policy to cover the pregnancy, or that had the parents pick up the insurance tab for it. *shrugs* I figured, it's my body, I'm the one being "treated" during my time being pregnant, and as it's me and not the baby being treated my insurance should cover it regardless of who the baby belongs to. Hell DNA still hasn't come back. On some whirlwind streak of freakness we could find out that Owen is ours. Is that likely, no not at all. But still.

And you have every right to be annoyed about that when it comes to insurance. I'm annoyed about it and it doesn't even relate to me. There is NO reason what so ever that insurances shouldn't cover a pregnancy for a client. Women have vaginas, and uteruses, when you reach the age to reproduce there is always a chance that having sex will get you pregnant. Having an insurance company NOT cover that is just ridiculous, and I hate that most insurances won't, at least not with out a higher premium and down payment/monthly payment cost. It is stupid, and it is something that needs to change.

In Colorado I can't even find a policy with a higher premium... I am serious they just don't exist.... I know certain jobs here provide insurance that will but you obviously have to WORK for those jobs... Many of which are just different types of insurance sellers ><;;

See I am back and forth on it... It is your body being treated... But your body is the vessel for that baby to survive... He couldn't have any other way! If I were in the parents shoes I would want to make sure my baby mama would be getting the best care she could... Period! Cause the baby is MINE... In that case if that makes any since... I know the IP's pay a lot of money... But if it were me I know that it wouldn't bother me in the least (if I had the money to get a surrogate I mean) to pay for a little insurance on her part too... But I still agree that it really doesn't matter WHO'S baby I am carrying... It is still MY pregnancy! So it should be covered if I have a plan already in place... I think insurance is a crock of crap... They charge you well more then you get outta them...

I would assume that if my intended parents didn't like my ob/midwife they would have requested I change who was providing me the care. If my insurance didn't cover who they wanted me to see, they would have covered those costs as well.

...so in Colorado...only insurance sellers have insurance to have babies? D: They're trying to overrun your state with insurance people Jaz!

It's a conspiracy! Having babies for cash! I mean, really! If pregger ladies were that shallow they would just sell their babies for some rich Hollywood couple to buy. ::eye roll:: No one can carry life in them and do it purely for the money. There is a sort of attachement and has to have a VERY good reason for doing it such as wanting to help a couple that can't have a baby on their own.

::steps away from podium::

You know, through the entire thing I was wondering how I would feel towards the baby after it was born. Would I feel a maternal connection? Would it feel like he was a part of me? etc etc etc. You can't carry a baby and not wonder about how your after-birth emotions will play out.
But you know, it was pretty nice, he didn't feel like my baby, he felt like my best friends baby. Though technically my best friend has yet to have a baby, I imagine that's what it would feel like. I couldn't imagine keeping him, because he wasn't/isn't mine to keep. I think that's what a lot of women have a hard time understanding.

Nah Mellie there are other companies (just not many) that offer health insurance too... Just I know that very few support women's needs ><;;

I totally agree Gemini!... I would like 20 some thousand extra dollars! Damn skippy! I'd like $1 even... I'm not greedy... but I could never carry a baby for another person cause I would be too worried about being attached and not wanting to let him/her go... :/ Now if it were for someone close to me I may change my tune... But that is me... You couldn't pay me enough to be a surrogate honestly cause I don't think my emotions for it would be right... Doesn't change that I like money though haha... I've even sorta minorly thought about doing egg donations? But again... I would feel weird knowing that somewhere out there was a part of me..... That I wasn't caring for ><

But where ever that baby was Jaz, you would know it was being cared well for! xD

I'm happy that the government seems to understand that womens needs are important when it comes to health insurance. We just need the private insurance agencies to get on board with it. Come on public option! I remember some of Obamas speeches dealing with womens needs, so that better be a part of the public option, even if it does take a couple of years to come through...better late than never! Give the private agencies some competition and they'll be changing their tune soon enough!

Still... I wouldn"t feel right :/

I really just wish that there was more we could do about heath NOW... It is stupid that there are people out there who go to the doctor for every stubbed toe they have and people who are truly sick can't because of the cost of heath care... Dillon and I are not poor enough to qualify for state help with medical unless I am pregnant... But I hate the way doctors treat me when I am on Medicaid :/ in the same since we are too poor to afford 200+ in medical insurance, that is a little less then a mortgage payment here! It is ridiculous!

I wish there was more we could do about health care now too. </3 I agree that it is one of those things that should have been taken care of YEARS ago by the government. Their duty is to the people, all the people. All everyone focuses on when it comes to the government option is that illegal immigrants might decide to use it. IMO make them legal, and tax them like they do everyone else. It's hardly fair that real american citizens are going to suffer because private insurance companies have their hands in the pockets of politicians.
I seriously wish that we could force the same stupid shit on the politicians that they shove on us. We'd see how many of their special interest bills got passed then! Let's send their sons and daughters off to war, their spouses etc, and see how many wars they decide are really worth the hundreds of thousands of lives they're sending over there.

I wouldn't feel right either, which is why I couldn't be an egg donor. >.>

Seriously make em legal... My mom is all against making illegal immigrants legal :/ I'm like WHY? They'd have to pay taxes and such... Though I wonder though where I was living in the government supplied housing there were a ton of illegals... :/ they already understand our system well enough to abuse it... They already live in government supplied housing for low income families... and get food stamps and medicaid and social security benefits or disability and government income supplements.. I made less then 1k a month when I first moved out on my own... My rent alone was nearly 600 dollars... Because I was making SOOOO MUCH... I only qualified for $7 in food stamps... no medicaid for Me OR Michael... And I applied for the income supplement to try to get enough to live on they denied us because we made too much money... So these people are sitting at home eating away at money IMO they are NOT entitled to... And people who are really in need of it aren't getting it... I personally believe it is my last name that got me denied... I was denied for nearly 3 years to get on housing... When a friend of mine who had the last name Perez and was the legal daughter of illegals... Got placed in less then a month... Not only that she requested to be moved to a house rather then an apartment when it was just her and her daughter and they moved her right away... They told me I had to wait TEN years to move and I had two kids WHAT THE HELL???

**sorry rant** that stuff pisses me off soooo much

I say make em legal too. Make them pay into the system that they're benefiting from as well. It's only fair to the rest of us. Besides, it's not that hard to become a citizen. >.<

What would they pay taxes on is my issue... They weren't working... They din"t own anything except maybe cars? The only tax they would be hit with really they already pay and that is product tax :/

They don't work at all? o.o I thought you had to be at least looking for a job to be on welfare etc.

You have a connection to him, Mellie... but not that of a mother and her baby. xD

You do if your the wrong color... IMO :/ I was told I had to do community service if I ever was without a job (or Dillon was) the only way I got out of it was because I was a full time student and Dillon was working but my old friend Juana had no job for a year and never had to do anything... And they gave her the ability to move into a house... </3 I think here Hispanics are given all the government help without question.

They might play the racism card if they aren't given the government help...I guess it all depends on the person, and how they feel about getting something for nothing. :/

Clair- true true. xD OMG! I totally never mentioned One of the daddies DID cut the cord! I was so happy! haha. The other one was fanning me and looking torn between crying and fainting...it was pretty amusing. >.> He was moving around a lot before I started really pushing looking completely lost, so one of the nurses grabbed a fan out of one of the closets, it seriously looked like a random mexican-ish play fan that kids would have...and told him to fan me. It was so funny...

Ah, the modern version of sending the man to go boil some water.

or get ice chips. xD

D'aww! Was he frightened to death!? :D I'm glad one of them cut the cord. :hug: That's awesome. I just watched a documentary (Clair watches those too much. o.o) and the daddy was SO sweet! He was all giggly and calling to his daughter (the baby being born) saying "Come on, Princess! Daddy wants to meet you!" :heart: I hope my husband is like that. :lol:

Clair - that is so cute!

I can't remember what my hubby was saying - I was rather out of it from the drugs and lack of sleep.

lol. I think they were both scared to death. I think the one that cut the cord was only staying so calm because I could see him and he was taking cues from Scott. So long as Scott wasn't freaking out, he didn't see a reason to freak out.

Did I tell you that Owen didn't have a name for a while because they were totally convinced that he was a girl? As soon as he was out completely they both just kinda stared going "that's not the...wait, is that a...OMG IT'S A BOY!" I wish Scott had had a camera to take a picture of the surprise on their faces. It was amazing. The nurse took him over to the little bassinet they have in the room and both were just crying. Best moment of the entire day. xD

Were you able to look at the baby and say "Yeah, that one's the daddy"? I know, it's hard with new borns sometimes, but I know my parents both saw me and said 'Yeah, she looks just like her dad.' :P