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Old 08-04-2007, 08:21 PM

The top reason Pot is illegal in the country on America is because it cannot be taxed. Pot can be easily grown in your very own backyard, or closet or any other places you can hide it. Pot and Beer, they both do the same thing but beer enters your blood stream so it gets you "shit-faced" alot faster. They both do damage over time if you abuse it, one may harm your lungs while one may harm your organs, while both may damage your brain. Beer isn't easily made, and I'm not sure if you get in trouble for brewing your own beer I havn't red up on anything that is illiegal on beer brewing, but both certainly get you on a high(Beer doesnt come with seeds you just dont grow it out of the ground). So America puts on a "War against drugs" to make it seem like they are doing the country a favor for hunting any pot house in america, but the fact is people are making money off this and not the government, since the government can't put a tax on pot they will make no profit off it, on the other hand they make plenty profit off beer, whine and whisky alone.

If they legalized pot, you wouldn't get so many 15 year old delinquits doing pot because it isnt illegal anymore it wouldn't be the "cool" thing to do anymore, if you havn't noticed young kids love breaking laws and rules to feel like a "bad-ass" and feel powerful, for there own personal reason whatever it may be.

I'm not saying go out and do this stuff, I recommend you don't, but I was just pointing out how "greedy" the American Government is.

in short, the government has no way to control and tax pot, there for no profit for them. They get pissed if they don't get money from you.

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Old 08-04-2007, 09:33 PM

Actually, if they made pot legal, they would tax the crap out of it, and make a lot of money. See, that's the thing I don't understand. If the government really WANTED to make money, they could legalize it, and make billions in marijuana taxes.

But a lot of our country has extraordinarily conservative values. It's going to take a long time for the U.S. to legalize, if it ever happens. But I'm always of the argument that if they decided to legalize, they'd make a load of money.

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Old 08-05-2007, 04:39 AM

Yes true they would probably attempt to tax it to make monye, but how much do you want to bet people won't stick to the "Old Ways" of having pot, and just....grow they're own? People have been doing it for at least 30 years, and I'm sure they won't give up old habits to save some money, if it ever is legalized.

Crime rate would go down. I mean look at how many people is in jail/prison for pot, our jails are filling up, and most of them are pot dealers or pot owners. There should be murders, rapists, sick-Os in there place. How does owning pot or dealing pot even come close to a man that murdered another man? Tell me that.

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Old 08-05-2007, 05:08 AM

The difference between people being in prison for minor offenses and being in prison for major offenses differ with the prison itself. If someone murders someone else, chances are they won't get put into a minimum security prison, whereas if someone steals something or has pot on them, chances are they will. Depending on how horrible the crime is, that's how much higher the security will be if the person is placed in prison. ;D

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Old 08-05-2007, 06:22 AM

Marijuana is illegal for another reason too. It is a drug that was commonly used by marginial populations. Sociologists reason that due to discriminated populations - such as Mexican migrant workers - using it that it was used to stereotype them as negative. Over time, the views on marijuana fluctuated. If I remember correctly, it was not until the late 1920s that it received a negative limelight. The surgeon general in the US stated that using marijuana led to violence, insanity, and promiscuity. People were frightened by it. But then around the 1960s, the middle class White Americans were using it. The stigmas were lifted during this period. Everyone was doing it, not just the hobo down the street. Then there was the crackdown on drugs around the 1980s that criminalized it again.

This sociological analysis over time and the populations using it can be utilized with other substances, such as tobacco, heroin and alcohol, and similar trends emerge.

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Old 08-05-2007, 12:23 PM

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If they legalized pot, you wouldn't get so many 15 year old delinquits doing pot because it isnt illegal anymore it wouldn't be the "cool" thing to do anymore, if you havn't noticed young kids love breaking laws and rules to feel like a "bad-ass" and feel powerful, for there own personal reason whatever it may be.
Like here in Holland. =] I swear, it works. People do less drugs here because they're slightly frowned upon rather than being 'bad ass out of controll'

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Old 08-05-2007, 02:51 PM

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Yes true they would probably attempt to tax it to make monye, but how much do you want to bet people won't stick to the "Old Ways" of having pot, and just....grow they're own? People have been doing it for at least 30 years, and I'm sure they won't give up old habits to save some money, if it ever is legalized.

Crime rate would go down. I mean look at how many people is in jail/prison for pot, our jails are filling up, and most of them are pot dealers or pot owners. There should be murders, rapists, sick-Os in there place. How does owning pot or dealing pot even come close to a man that murdered another man? Tell me that.
Of course there will still be people that grow it on their own! That's a no-brainer! But if the government were to tax and make pot legal, I'm guessing the majority of smokers would buy it legally. You could go to the store and buy it, instead of having to find a dealer, go to their house, hoping it's decent, and then purchasing.

The quality of the plant would also be regulated if it were legal, so you'd be guaranteed to get decent marijuana, instead of stuff that smells like gasoline or mold. Overall, I think it'd be a good choice for the U.S. to legalize.

As for the crime rate--I also agree there. People busted for marijuana possession are usually not doing harm, and shouldn't be put with those who have murdered, raped or pillaged. But also, most drug offenders are in minimum security, while real offenders are in higher-security prisons, just like Ishoku said. Now, what about heroin or crack dealers? Those are some SERIOUS DRUGS that will kill and ruin lives IMO. Do you think that they should be treated the same was pot dealers?

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Old 08-05-2007, 08:11 PM

I agree with a lot of what people have stated. I do think that pot should be legal and taxed, I do think that more 'good' will come of it then very bad.

Not everyone will jump on board and smoke pot, it's still 'smoking' and people like me who hate smoking really won't smoke pot because it's the same principle. I hate the feeling.

And, not everyone will go and try to grow it either. I can't keep house plants alive, how am I going to grow pot? I've never tried it, but I was told you have to baby a pot plant.

Also, buying joints packaged at a store is safer, you know it isn't laced with anything. As well as what Sizzla said, it's not going to be all funky.

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Old 08-07-2007, 08:06 PM

The thing about growing your own pot is it's pretty expensive and time consuming. If you've got the room, the privacy and the time for such a hobby then it's fine, but it isn't the sort of thing a 18 year old sharing an apartment and working for minimum age is going to start up and succeed in. If pot were legalized and sold by the government then yeah, they'd certainly make plenty of money. And alcohol is illegal to produce (moonshine) in most states, I believe. At least, I KNOW it's illegal to sell without a liquor license. If weed was made available to purchase but illegal to sell and maybe even grow then I'm sure the smokers would still be just as pleased with buying it from the government, as long as they got their weed.

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Old 08-07-2007, 09:24 PM

  • Whoa whoa whoa... pot and beer do not do the same thing. Alcohol is far worse than marijuana. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose. I have never heard of someone even going to the hospital because they smoked too much weed. Marijuana may effect memory with longterm use, but most of its negative effects are exaggerated or completely made up. Being drunk and stoned are two completely different feelings. Drinking makes people lose control and do things they normally wouldn't, while smoking generally just makes people really chill and still conscious of everything.

    Anyways, I think the main reason marijuana is illegal is the social stigma that surrounds it. Like I said, the effects of marijuana have been exaggerated and made up. LemonChiffon is right that the US surgeon general stated that using marijuana led to violence, insanity, and promiscuity. There were commercials aired of people just acting INSANE. Even today, the stoner/druggie stereotype has stuck. It is ridiculous. I smoke weed, and I have always been at the top of my classes and teacher's pet, I've never in my life gotten into a physical fight, and I am still a virgin. People need to realize that marijuana is a very common "drug" these days, and they cannot lump all users into the same condescended category.

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Old 08-07-2007, 09:43 PM

Uh, from a marijuana overdose... you get sick in your stomach.

I think alcohol should be illegal too... or at least pricier. I don't like seeing people drunk or stoned so easily. If people are making money underground, I rather see the money end up somewhere else than in the hand of a guy who's going to use it to get stoned himself.


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Old 08-12-2007, 05:19 PM

Just though I'd throw this in to the mix, read the entire article the evidence is not entirely concluseive since it was an open experiment, but the evidence is still very strong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/0....ap/index.html

Just a little food for thought, anything that gives you a "high" or a "buzz" is affecting your body's system in a way your body is not particularily designed to do so. Not saying better or worse than alcahol, but it shouldn't be treated as casually as some people do either. Such as people who smoke and drive ect...

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Old 08-15-2007, 04:53 PM

yeah it is kinda funny.xD

but beer has been around probably for a lot longer then pot.
and SO many people love beeer that it would be pretty hard to stop.

but still pot does have like the same effects pretty much,people get abused cause of people drinking and people smoking pot and what not.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:47 PM

Weed'll be legal eventually.

Someday the government will realize that they can, in fact, tax the shit out of it.
Hell, the medical industry is already making a good amount of money from medicinal marijuana.

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Old 09-23-2007, 02:38 AM

Pot is disgusting and I don't think it should be legal for any reason.
I don't think its illegal just coz the government isn't able to tax it the max but coz of all the health and social reasons behind it as well. Can you imagine what that stuff does to your brain and body? sure beer is bad for you as well but with pot its alot more effective and quicker at killing you then what beer is.

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Old 09-24-2007, 05:33 PM

No... Your wrong, all tell you why.

Pot:

Why is pot illegal? Why! Because you can get hooked on it and become an addict after you first few tries. Then you always want it. Also it hurts you way more, just a little bit will slowly destroy your body, no not slowly, but your death will be slow and painful. Your brain never works, you can't think straight, you immune system dies leaving you a perfect target for getting sick.
Also you body shuts down, and you take more and more, and its very, very, very hard to get off of. So basically you take it, you die and are messed up forever. Because it gives you permanent damage that is worse, and much quicker then alcohol.

Beer:

Its hard to get 'addicted' to beer, well not to hard. You have to be out a lot drinking, or at home always with a beer to become a true addict. Now being drunk you harm other people, yes its bad. But if you don't abuse drinking your alright. While with pot you have a little bit here and there it doesn't matter, you get addicted and it ruins your brain, mind, body, and you messed up forever. Also its a lot easier to get off alcohol if your addicted, sure its hard but it isn't impossible at all. Also it doesn't have as bad forever lasting damage, because it doesn't effect your mind and immune system as much.


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Old 10-14-2007, 05:05 PM

Since the evidence against it really isn't conclusive, I think it should be legalized, at least for a brief period. Let's face it--they allow cigarettes even though they do nothing but harm in the long run; they allow beer even though it's intoxicating and can lead to a person doing stupid things they normally wouldn't do. Legalize pot for a while, set an limit for how high a person can be and still drive (a low limit, most likely), and see what happens. It can always be banned again if they find conclusive evidence that it's much worse than either smoking or drinking.

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Old 10-14-2007, 06:38 PM

I'm going to be typing a response to the original post.

Beer and Marijuana enter your blood stream and effect your brain at almost the same rate. Marijuana on average takes 4 minutes for it's effects to kick in. The effects of marijuana are initially stronger than beer.

As for the legalization debate. It's gone on for a very long time, it's nothing new. People have been using marijuana for recreational purposes for hundreds of years.

Just for an interesting fact: There was a period of 4 years in the United states where every drug was legal. This was around the turn of the 20th century. Interestingly enough this was the same time motion picture was emerging; and all content was legal (nudity, sex, drugs, cultism all in the first movies ever made).

In the past 40 years there has been a heavy campaign against drugs, marijuana in particular. The public safety campaigns use some very shadey research, which has often been proven wrong by all other independant studies.

The truth: Marijuana does as much damage to your brain as a bottle of beer. Your personality is not affected. There are no long term damages. You cannot develop a physical dependancy on marijuana (it is not addictive).

The Lie: Marijuana will make you stupid, a drug addict, fail in school, go crazy, become violent, become a psychopath, and love satin.

Why are we made to believe it's more harmful than it already is? There are a lot of reasons one can site for this. One is initially a racial one - Marijuana was introduced to White Americans by Mexican immigrants. Skeptical men in power, after seeing migrant workers in a state of being "high", did not fully comprehend it. They thought that it made them crazy. Because this activity was part of immagrant life, The goverment use marijuana as a mechanism to control the Mexican immigration problem. By making something most immigrates use illegal, it was easier to apprehend and deport migrant workers.

Critics of conservative culture accuse government and religous institutions of demonizing marijuana because it aids users into questioning law and god. Part of marijuana's effects are to relax the user physically, and have all senses become more intense. This provides the ability to think more critically and openly about things are brains don't focus on when we are sober. Artists, musicians, and writers often use marijuana to help them concentrate. However this poses a problem for dogmatic institutions because there's less likely hood of controlling people who think outside the rules.

I hope this helped :)

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Old 10-15-2007, 01:03 AM

Yeah, but, on the other hand.

Beer should be illegal.

And, this comment to the post above me: Marijuana will not make you love satin. Satin is a very nice cloth and you will probably love it anyways. Marijuana will also not make you love Satan because that makes as much sense as the glove having anything to do with OJ Simpson killing his wife.

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Old 10-15-2007, 03:44 AM

I'm all for pot being legal.

But really, it's easy to get anyway, and we don't need crazy 11 year olds strung out on Mary Jane,

so why make it legal?

If you really want it, it's a piece of cake to get..

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Old 10-15-2007, 03:56 AM


  • I never liked the fact that alcohol is legal, and marijuana is not. From personal experience, I have seen much worse things happen to people under the influence of alcohol, as opposed to people under the influence of weed.

    The way they affect your system, attitude, etc. are completely different. Again, in my personal experience people under the influence of marijuana are more likely to:
    1.sit around calmly
    2. eat (funny, but true!)
    3. have 'deep' conversations about religion or politics or physics etc. that really accomplish nothing
    4. Laugh way to often at really dumb things

    On the other hand, in my personal experience, people under the influence of alcohol are more likely to:
    1. get rowdy and loud
    2. break shit because they are trying to show off
    3. have drunken sex (not that people don't have stoned sex, but in my experience, it happens almost every time I go to a drinking party)
    4. DRIVE while drunk (again, in my experience, this doesn't happen as often when people are stoned.)


    My Point: Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, while you're under the influence as well as long-term. I don't kow why everyone is so intent on making it seem worse than alcohol, when in reality, it's not!


    Edit: Lightswitch Raves - I don't even have to try. I could walk around outside right now and have people offer it to me. You don't even have to ask. It's ridiculous. However, it's not smart to take drugs from people you don't know. It could be laced with something you don't want to take.

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Old 10-15-2007, 04:12 AM

Well if pot were legal, it probably would be easier to get ahold of and therefore cheaper...not that they wouldn't tax it, but I feel like people would still pay for it even if it were taxed. It's more convenient to stop by a gas station to pick up some pot than to locate a dealer or grow your own.

Cigarettes are getting really expensive, and you don't see a lot of people growing their own tobacco(maybe its harder to grow or something though, never tried to grow either). Still, it's easy and cheaper to roll your own cigarettes, and most people don't even want to bother with that these days. People will pay for convenience.

I don't know what the governments reasons for not making pot legal, but I'm pretty sure it isn't because they can't make any money off of it.

Also, I do agree that less people rebelling might smoke pot, but don't you think they'd just find something else? And the rule following adults could now justify smoking pot, so many of them might pick up the habit as well.

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Old 10-15-2007, 04:24 AM

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You cannot develop a physical dependancy on marijuana (it is not addictive).
Just because you cannot develop a physical dependancy on something doesn't mean it's not addictive. Psychological addictions can be very powerful too. I've seen this happen with marijuana. People rely on it because they feel like they need it and that causes them to spend too much money on it.

I'm not saying that marijuana causes tons of problems with peoples brains and makes them stupid, unmotivated, etc. I've never noticed anything pot does that's like that, but I have seen people spend their money on pot rather than food.

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Old 10-15-2007, 04:29 AM

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No... Your wrong, all tell you why.

Pot:

Why is pot illegal? Why! Because you can get hooked on it and become an addict after you first few tries. Then you always want it. Also it hurts you way more, just a little bit will slowly destroy your body, no not slowly, but your death will be slow and painful. Your brain never works, you can't think straight, you immune system dies leaving you a perfect target for getting sick.
Also you body shuts down, and you take more and more, and its very, very, very hard to get off of. So basically you take it, you die and are messed up forever. Because it gives you permanent damage that is worse, and much quicker then alcohol.

Beer:

Its hard to get 'addicted' to beer, well not to hard. You have to be out a lot drinking, or at home always with a beer to become a true addict. Now being drunk you harm other people, yes its bad. But if you don't abuse drinking your alright. While with pot you have a little bit here and there it doesn't matter, you get addicted and it ruins your brain, mind, body, and you messed up forever. Also its a lot easier to get off alcohol if your addicted, sure its hard but it isn't impossible at all. Also it doesn't have as bad forever lasting damage, because it doesn't effect your mind and immune system as much.

It is at least as easy if not easier to get addicted to alcohol. Marijuana may cause a psychological addiction, which can be bad, but most of the time isn't as bad as a physical addiction(where your body physically craves the drug). Alcohol causes both a physical addiction and a psychological addiction, while marijuana causes only one.

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Old 10-15-2007, 05:06 AM

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Just because you cannot develop a physical dependancy on something doesn't mean it's not addictive. Psychological addictions can be very powerful too.
Anyone can develop a psychological addiction to anything. Psychological addictions are usually signs of a bigger mental problems the person needs to address with a doctor or a therapist.

Physical addictions are caused by the substance used.

 


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