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Old 08-12-2007, 02:06 AM


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Old 08-12-2007, 03:10 AM

Although I was disgusted at the treatment the people of this race had to go through in the past, I find it unfair that I have to work my goddamn backside off to get my ticket to college as I am Asian and, in a way, expected to be smart, although that's a different subject entirely. I find it racist toward the other people that a black man has a better chance of entering a college than a white. Has anyone thought of this in this way? Its true. We did mistreat these people in the past, but I'm afraid that's in the past. We, the people of this generation, should owe no debt to this race. It is racist against US if you think of it, to have a better chance of getting into college just because of your skin. And if you think for a moment you deserve it as some sort of payback from the past, you're no better than the people that mistreated you in the first place.

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Old 08-12-2007, 03:11 AM

Well, this is how I understand what racism is:

Racism = racial prejudice + power
Racism: A system of advantage based on race.

(Taken from debunkingwhite on LiveJournal.)


When you bring up that the NAACP "clearly" only stands up for African-Americans, why does that offend you? Because you have an interest in other groups/people of colour whom you fail to mention, or because you resent that they appear to care only about African-Americans, putting them on "pedestals" and making them "look better"? Why does that offend you? Why don't they need it? Do you think African-Americans are portrayed in an equal light to white individuals these days? Honestly?

Moving on, do you feel white/non-African-American students don't have enough opportunities to achieve/access to scholarships?


People who fail to acknowledge the truth about racism and the continuing existence of white privilege will never truly be free of racism - no matter how much they claim they're not racist. Part of making amends is recognising the mistakes of the past and changing (including the changing of a system/society where white people have privileges people of colour don't) - not just simply saying sorry and hoping it will be forgiven.

The list below was taken from White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack (the list has fifty points, but I just chose from near the top). It speaks to the daily effects of white privilege:

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I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

I can be pretty sure that my neighbours in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
These are things white people take for granted - people of colour don't or can't; these things are part of the continuing presence of racism.


I'm sorry you get bullied and called names - that doesn't mean it's OK for anyone else, African-American, Asian, white or otherwise, to be called names, though (nor does it mean the people who target you are not accountable for their actions).

If you think what I'm saying amounts to me calling you racist, then go right ahead and report me. At best, I think what you've said here shows a lack of understanding of what African-Americans live through, and at worst I think it conveys a very racist attitude.

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Old 08-12-2007, 03:32 AM


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Old 08-12-2007, 03:45 AM

Well, here's a question, then: why do you think there are more crimes from within that group of people?


I would posit that white groups don't need defending - they're the ones with privilege and without the hardships associated with being a person of colour.

Being white isn't bad - pretending racism doesn't exist anymore or acting like there is no such thing as white privilege is. Racism is about power - and I know to white people this is an unpopular opinion, but white people are simply not powerless and therefore don't experience racism (as I laid out in the definition I provided before). Anyone is capable of experiencing prejudice, but that's different from racism.


To me it sounded like what you were saying amounted to "they call me names and it's OK - they don't get in trouble, why isn't it OK for people to call them names?" - I'm sorry if I misunderstood you.

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Old 08-12-2007, 03:54 AM

I don't know what drives people to commit crime. I don't know why people of a specific race commit more crime then others.

No, I just pointed out that it seems the teachers are scared to punish a child of color for being racist, especially if they're a white teacher.

There are many things that take away power - not just race. Income, gender, education, criminal record, religion, etc, etc. The way you live life has more effect then your race. If you work hard and get good grades, try not to get in trouble, then chances are, you'll do alright in life. You might not be the most powerful person in the world, but there's only a small amount of people that can become truly "powerful".

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Old 08-12-2007, 04:09 AM

I don't have a source for you at the moment, I'm afraid, but it can't have escaped your attention that African-Americans in urban areas are significantly poorer and that incidences of crime perpetrated by the African-American community correlates with that fact.

Well, I disagree that children of colour can actually make racist statements, but I think teachers should reprimand people equally for wrongdoing, anyway.


You're right, there are many things that take away power, but where racism is concerned, race is the only thing that counts. The way you live your life has more effect than your race because you do not suffer from the the same problems African-Americans face.

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Old 08-12-2007, 04:15 AM

The being accepted into college thing because you're colored, is bs in my opinion. And is a little racist towards white people, that's how I see it.
If they got all F's in high school I don't think they should be accepted into College since they clearly value their future very poorly. And even though there are tons of colored people that need the money, not all of them actually deserve it, there are white people who are very poor as well, but I don't see as many organizations out there to help them.

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Old 08-12-2007, 04:34 AM

Well Jupiter explained many of the points already.

But I'm taking your white, and could either be female or male. But congrats, you get white privilege, something that was explained above. You are still the majority, you are still in power.

Now, for me myself, I am mexican, but no one can tell, everyone assumes I'm white. Honestly, I'm not going to tell people other wises, for there has been times when I've told people my race, I suddenly get very very different treatment. But many who are white, really just do not understand why.

See, while yes I believ you should not get things based on race, we still live in a world that is very racist, we just hide it better, or at least like to think we do. We still judge based on race, that our society considers black men violent, mexicans lazy, asains smart, and so fourth. Until we truly elminate racism, which isn't happening anytime soon, these little pluses to help minority's will still be there.

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Old 08-12-2007, 05:03 AM


I see where you're going with this; there's been a thread about this before, somewhere, but I think it died...


One point that I had taking much interest in in the other thread was that...
Does race really make a difference? Can't we just try to see the world as a gray world, where everyone's race and color didn't make a difference?
Just because you're an Asian, Caucasian, African America, etc, whatever!, it isn't going to complete make you what you are. While yes, it does affect you in some ways, such as culturally, or genetically, and yes, it may somehow, but very little, affect your life thanks to racial stereotypes ( smart Asians, etc. ) but what difference does it really make?
If, say, we were all gray blobs, then we wouldn't have any racism against any race, including Caucasians.

I, personally, do not see why people will be able to get scholarships because they're not Caucasian. I hate how they made it so that you have to have a certain amount of other-racial people for something.

I had a friend who was rejected from my school because her mother was Caucasian. People of different races other than Caucasian are picked, not because of they're grades, but because they have to fill in the minorities quota-thing.

I do wish we could kind of just see the world like in one color, because then we wouldn't have all this crap with race - racism, people fighting against racism, people being unfair to "prevent" racism.


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Old 08-12-2007, 01:57 PM


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Old 08-12-2007, 09:44 PM

I do feel the same about scholarships for only the minority... If it is inequality we dislike so much, giving guidelines based on color of the skin is just quite going against what we believe in. It's almost like we are trying to hard at this whole anti-discrimination issue. Special treatment as well as oppression for a certain group based on race, color of the skin are very... discriminating? I think in the beginning, it was for the make-up for what had been done to those group, however, people are overdoing it this time right now.
There are still alot of stereotype, like Asian are supposed to be good at Math and whatever nerdy stuff :lol:and African American are viewed as poor and gangster-ish and Caucasian people, like you said, rich fat and lazy xDDD
Everyone around me does it... I try to not let those stereotypes get to me... I think if we give this society more time, it'll adapt eventually xD

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Old 08-12-2007, 09:48 PM

And yet as you pointed out just because someone is black, the automatically become a lazy, poor criminal.

I'm sorry, but i've never gotten anything for my race. And you know, even with those scholarship's, they are almost next to impossible to get. Like everyone else where i live I went to the junior college, using finical aid. Oh, I also got less money than my female, white, and better grades than me friend. Several of them infact got more money than me.

As I said, I am though of white, I get great treatment when people assume this. From what you've said in other threads, that you are white.

Given that most who are minority's are in preptual circles of poor, which being poor leads to a bad education, a bad education leads to getting a sub-par job, which again leads to poor, which leaves your children in a cyclical cycle that is hard for most to escape. Which is why we have those small benefits, to try and end the cycle.

Added to the fact that almost all those scholarships are provide by private groups with their own money. There is honestly nothing stopping a group from creating a white scholarship. Oh, and I have seen scholarships for white people, just they more speffic, such as for those who are Irish decent, and others. People can do what they want with their money, and if you have the money, create a white scholarship.

The fact is, regardless, with white privilege, in this society a white person has an almost gaurnteed chance of success. A sure sign of proof of white privilege from a white person is the denial that it exist, because as a white person, you do not notice the privilege you have. You do not get denied it.

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Old 08-12-2007, 10:11 PM


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Old 08-12-2007, 11:03 PM

Yes, many white families are in poverty, but look and see what makes up the majority of those in poverty, minorties. Even still, it is easier to move up in this world as white. Regardless of what your experinces are, which is what you seem to be basing most of this off, your experinces as a white person.

So, you have to have a scholarship to get into a good school? You said your family is poor, then why are you not filling out your fasfa, or talking with te school consoluer's of the school you want. I'm mean, if you really want something, there are these things called student loans, and they lead to good credit. If one really wanted to, they can get into a good school. Sometimes it envolves getting a student loan, or hoping and praying you get a scholarship.

As said with my experinces, I don't just get school money handed to me. I went through the same process, and had even less given to me than some of my poorer, an white friends.

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Old 08-13-2007, 04:00 AM

It's not fair. People try to fix past racism with more racism. It's a never ending cycle.

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Old 08-14-2007, 03:15 AM

I never understood this, either. Everyone's out there for equality, equality, but it seems that the only one they want to make more "equal" are the African Americans. I mean, they've got a whole month dedicated to them. Has anyone ever heard of Irish Month? Asian Month? Cambodian Month? Heck, if that's the case, every single race and mix there-of should get a month. There woudn't be enough months to go around. :/

I mean, it seems the only "minority" people want to help and portect are the African Americans.

What about the Jewish? What about Darfur? What about Rwanda? I don't think people even knew Rwanda existed until they heard/saw the movie "Hotel Rwanda".

A friend of mine wrote a great essay once. It was about how Martin Luther King fought for equality for his race and all, and nowadays, it seems all the "gangstas" and rappers are reversing all his work. That really says a lot.

I've also realized that white people are often sneered at because they're "the majority" and "never understood suffering". I laugh at that. Since when did suffering pick races?

I'm not saying we should all become white supremists; just that one race shouldn't be extolled above all others because of past grievances. I'm pretty sure anyone can list past grievances. Does that mean the world should still have to pay now?

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Old 08-14-2007, 04:59 AM

January - None to date
February - African American History Month
March - National Women's History Month
April - None to date
May - Asian Pacific American Heritage and Older Americans Month
June - Gay Lesbian Pride Month
July -None to date
August - None to date
September - National Hispanic-Latino Heritage Month (Sept. 15-Oct. 15)
October - National Disability Employment Awareness Month
November - National American Indian Heritage Month
December - None to date

Just a list of the different diversity month's. If you would like, petition and get groups together to add a Irish, German, Welish, Russian, and so fourth history month's.

One of my general thoughts is words from KMFDM - Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid, roughly translated: No Pity for the Majority. Maybe not so nice, but when hearing the majority whine about well being the majority, it's never fun.

It's not that white's do not under stand suffering, it's just talking about a different type of treatment that white's do not generally experince because of white privilege and living in a society that is geared and even though to some who are white it might not seem, have major benefits wiht still being white in this country. Few white people i know personally realize this.

And how is the world paying? By making things equal, is that really paying? Is leveling the playing field really making the whole world suffer? Should I just go back to cleaning your kitchens and pciking your tomatoes? Should my native friends just go back to weaving baskets? I really don't see this as paying, but as trying to correct what hunders of years have ingranded and realizing that change is not easy, but must be done if we really wantto see this world as colourblind.

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Old 08-14-2007, 09:34 PM


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Old 08-14-2007, 10:19 PM

...ok my bad. So there IS an "Asian Month". Still I'm pretty sure there are plenty of ethnicities/races/people without months. I'm also pretty sure that the time where whites decide they want a month too, everyone will be shouting about white supremists and such.

Making things equal isn't a bad thing, but it is when someone wants things to be more equal for one race over the other.

I'm not so certain it's obvious anymore, but in my area, whenever someone wants to do something for the African Americans, they're all "HALLELUJAH" and celebrating. However, when someone wants to do something for any of the other races that make up the population, they're all "Why are you wasting time on them? They were never slaves. They were never killed. They were never ___." and so on. It just seems that a sad number of African Americans think they should be the only ones who should be getting recompensation. Again, this may only be my area that's this obvious--I can't speak for the other areas..

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Old 08-15-2007, 09:36 AM

Your area.
I live in an area highly populated by Native Americans and Asain populations, which most of the area is geared towards helping that, along with the good old farm and logger mentalty that still exist's here.

No, you didn;t say it. But the annomisity that I usually see and read from those who are the majority who complain about these issue's, seems pretty close to it sometimes that things shouldn't change, or that they way things are changing just not right. At least on the majority end.

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Old 08-16-2007, 03:27 AM

Earlier you said that white people can be poor, too, but it's mostly minorities that are poor. Well, why can't scholarships be for poor people in general, that couldn't help the fact that they went to a bad school and didn't learn much, and can't really afford to go to college? Why are the scholarships for just the poor minorities? Why can't they be for all poor people? o.o;

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Old 08-16-2007, 04:08 AM

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Earlier you said that white people can be poor, too, but it's mostly minorities that are poor. Well, why can't scholarships be for poor people in general, that couldn't help the fact that they went to a bad school and didn't learn much, and can't really afford to go to college? Why are the scholarships for just the poor minorities? Why can't they be for all poor people? o.o;
There are. That's one of the questions asked on when filling out scholarship help sites such as Fastweb.com
Also why a friends of mine who are white, get more in finicial aide than me, because they are very poor.

There is many scholarships for not having enough money. Several of them state that.

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Old 08-16-2007, 07:33 PM

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There are. That's one of the questions asked on when filling out scholarship help sites such as Fastweb.com
Also why a friends of mine who are white, get more in finicial aide than me, because they are very poor.

There is many scholarships for not having enough money. Several of them state that.
It seems like you are complaining that people poorer than you are getting more money, even though they are white o.o; That's how financial aid works, poorer people get more money. That isn't based on race. Scholarships and school acceptances are what we are discussing here. Federal financial aid has nothing to do with it.

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Old 08-16-2007, 08:25 PM

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There are. That's one of the questions asked on when filling out scholarship help sites such as Fastweb.com
Also why a friends of mine who are white, get more in finicial aide than me, because they are very poor.

There is many scholarships for not having enough money. Several of them state that.
It seems like you are complaining that people poorer than you are getting more money, even though they are white o.o; That's how financial aid works, poorer people get more money. That isn't based on race. Scholarships and school acceptances are what we are discussing here. Federal financial aid has nothing to do with it.
No, just pointing this out. Because everyone else is complaing that only miniorities get these said things. I'm pointing out from my experince of this happening.

Now, I have had several poorer white friends also get scholarships for said reason. This is just poitning out the experinces I have, and not complaning. I'm in fact happy for them and want to them to do very well.

As said, a white group just needsto get the money together and make a white scholarship foundation. Scholarships are private money that people want to give out and nothing to do with the government.

School acceptances takes many thing into consideration. Many of the cases where people have sued for not getting in on race end up being bunk, simply because these said people just do bad on the test's to get in. I wish i knew where the articles was though.

 


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