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nike13
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10-08-2007, 02:34 AM
I was wondering who here programmed and what language they are most familiar with or prefer? Do you program for fun or because you need to for a job? Also, what languages do you think will help you in a career if you plan on continuing computer programming?
I've been learning programming for about 8 years now, I started with BASIC and am currently most fluent with Java although I have experience with several others. Right now I see a lot of universities (including my own) pushing for courses in Java programming but many of the companies that came to the last Career Fair at my university (about 2 weeks ago) were looking for C or C# programmers. Its kind of funny that schools are pushing for a new language while there are many companies that don't want to change their systems.
Right now I'm a first year in Graduate School for Computer Science ^^ I'm studying algorithms and languages actually.
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10-08-2007, 03:53 PM
Wow, that sounds awesome. I am currently taking a programming class for game simulation. I am learning C# and basics of C and C++. It's only been a month since I started though, all I can do is the basic text games ^_^;
It's been fun so far, XNA game studio makes it a bit easier to learn.
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10-08-2007, 09:16 PM
What made you give programming a try? I know a lot of times people learn because they want to program games ^^
I've never tried straight game programming, my coursework usually involves creating compilers (and once a linux based OS).
How do you use the XNA studio system? Is it a visual representation of what you program or a compiler system that helps you find the right functions. If its the second case, I use something like that for my Java programming called Eclipse, it really helps out with finding the right library functions.
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10-08-2007, 09:30 PM
The only thing I've ever programmed was a Visual Basic program that created character sheets for Dungeons and Dragons. I made it in the 12th grade. It was not user friendly and moderatly incomplete. XD
I wish I had visual basic, though, because it was extremely easy and had potential for being useful.
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10-08-2007, 09:35 PM
Glad to see someone else started with a form of Basic ^^ It is an easy language to learn and there is so much that can be done with it after learning the basics.
I think the most complex thing I did with Basic was a poker game (which was pretty fun surprisingly). Haven't done much that was visual, actually, the only visual thing I can remember making was a rather crude image of a house ^^;
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10-08-2007, 09:43 PM
I have some friends who run a gaming club at my college, and they write all the code for their forums.
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10-08-2007, 09:45 PM
Eww forum code. I tried looking through some but it was just...I don't know, not my taste in programming. I look at what people manage to do with the code (the version I saw was for a phpBB board) and I'm highly impressed.
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10-08-2007, 09:56 PM
The facet of my friend's club forum is a system of ranking up due to the amount of posts you have and the amount of idle time you spend on the forums. As you level up, you are given a new title and representative sprite.
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10-08-2007, 10:56 PM
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What made you give programming a try? I know a lot of times people learn because they want to program games ^^
I've never tried straight game programming, my coursework usually involves creating compilers (and once a linux based OS).
How do you use the XNA studio system? Is it a visual representation of what you program or a compiler system that helps you find the right functions. If its the second case, I use something like that for my Java programming called Eclipse, it really helps out with finding the right library functions.
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It sounds similar to eclipse, it helps a lot when trying to debug and it also sometimes writes the code for you.
Well, I definitely always wanted to do something with games. I first got into web programming making sites. My college only recently offered a game development course, and I just had to take it.
You programmed an OS? wow @ [email protected] sounds like a lot of work XD these basic text games I am creating alone are evil enough.
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10-08-2007, 11:17 PM
I love text based RPGs! I would love to create one based on D&D 3.5 for my own personal enjoyment, and to share with my friends. It would be fairly easy to create with BASIC, if I only had it.
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10-09-2007, 12:29 AM
@Blitz [GKS]
That's just like Eclipse then, I didn't know there was something like that for C# (course I haven't tried learning C# yet), I'll definitely be seeing about getting it for when I try that language out.
The OS was hard but it was also extremely simplistic because we were just supposed to learn how to manage memory without crashing a computer ^^;
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10-09-2007, 07:13 PM
C# seems a lot easier from what I can tell so far, in terms of not having to type out as much. And if you have Windows, XNA Game Studio is free. XNA Game studio can program games for both the PC and an XBOX 360, which is really awesome (But if you want to play it on the Xbox you have to purchase a subscription -_-; ) It also comes with a pretty cool demo of a game called Space Wars, seems were gonna be creating a similar game by the end of this semester. I am really looking forward to that.
Ah, still sounds complicated to me XD Got any example programs and stuff? I might be able to share mine when/if we create some during class.
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10-09-2007, 09:41 PM
Example programs? Nothing that is really cool actually. My favorite thing I worked on for a class was a buffer overflow bomb which I obviously can't send around since the point of the exercise was to hack the program (actually just found that in my old school account and tried doing it again). I've got a database program that was made using Java that will run, sort and analyze data to try and predict things.
...Actually, looking back, there's really not much that I've programmed that people would find really cool. Even the database project I have now isn't something that a normal person would use and is more 'lets see you implement these things' rather than 'this is something that is really cool'. I lost the OS code awhile ago (since that class was 2 years ago). One of my current side projects is to make an encryption program, not much there yet except the Ceasar encryption but I think that's probably the coolest program to be made by me ^^
This past summer, I did have a web project if you want to look at that http://www.cmsprogram.com/. Basically makes emergency scenarios for people to test their emergency plans to find any holes.
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10-10-2007, 06:51 AM
In Higher computing in school we use Visual Basic.
Last year though, we used True Basic, which I preferred for soem reason.
I'm really awful at programming in it though D:
I like HTML, that's okay.
But I'm sure that's got to be one of the easest to pick up. XD
So basically I do computing, but I'm awful at programming. Which is not good. o0;
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10-10-2007, 04:24 PM
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Example programs? Nothing that is really cool actually. My favorite thing I worked on for a class was a buffer overflow bomb which I obviously can't send around since the point of the exercise was to hack the program (actually just found that in my old school account and tried doing it again). I've got a database program that was made using Java that will run, sort and analyze data to try and predict things.
...Actually, looking back, there's really not much that I've programmed that people would find really cool. Even the database project I have now isn't something that a normal person would use and is more 'lets see you implement these things' rather than 'this is something that is really cool'. I lost the OS code awhile ago (since that class was 2 years ago). One of my current side projects is to make an encryption program, not much there yet except the Ceasar encryption but I think that's probably the coolest program to be made by me ^^
This past summer, I did have a web project if you want to look at that http://www.cmsprogram.com/. Basically makes emergency scenarios for people to test their emergency plans to find any holes.
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Wow,they all sound pretty cool to me. The CMS project looks like it would be useful. I am now thinking of also taking a separate programming class, but that'll have to wait 'til next semester. Thanks for sharing what you've done!
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10-10-2007, 05:18 PM
I'm learning #C and C++ but I also known some Java and HTML that I can use together when I trying to make internet games. I suck I must admit, I get a lot of help for them over the net.
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10-11-2007, 12:30 AM
@Sakura
You have no idea how many Computer Science majors I am in classes with suck at programming. The higher up you get in it though, the more abstract and theoretical it gets and the less programming you do. HTML and Basic are good starting languages (I learned True Basic too, although I haven't seen much difference between True Basic and the other kinds of not-Visual Basic there are).
@Blitz
No problem ^_^ I feel kind of bad because I don't have other things that I can show off.
@admonished nonsense
Getting help is never something you should be ashamed of because you at least know what your weak at and are trying to get better. Like I told Sakura, I've known lots of CS majors that are weak programmers but understand the concepts/algorithms/etc really well. When I get a job, I don't plan on programming but doing research and *hopefully* teaching. Most people don't realize that programming isn't the only thing you can do when you study computers. Never give up, you can only get better ^_^
Any sample sites/games you want to show off?
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10-12-2007, 08:56 PM
programing is a load of fun
its fun to try it and it can be done in all forms ^^.
most people do basic text/browser based games. their quite simple and it dont matter if they go wrong because it dont rearly matter. i have a friend who uses a program for making rpg games. he has to do a little bit himself but 80% of it is done for him
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10-12-2007, 10:52 PM
Being a webdeveloper, I'm most comfortable with PHP. I know to actual programmers that sounds kind of laughable ^^;; I do mostly front-end/UI stuff so my programming capabilities are quite minimal.
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10-13-2007, 04:02 AM
@sandstormv2
What do you program with or language(s) to you know?
@Anahita
I'm still having problems with PHP myself, I mean I can do stuff with it but nearly as efficiently as I do with other programming languages cause I don't know the ins and outs yet.
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10-13-2007, 04:34 AM
My roomate recently dropped out of college to self-teach himself C++ and become a freelance programmer.
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He's probably coming back to college to get a degree later, after he gets a normal job and saves up some money.
Thought it would be relevant to mention it here.
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10-13-2007, 02:18 PM
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@Sakura
You have no idea how many Computer Science majors I am in classes with suck at programming. The higher up you get in it though, the more abstract and theoretical it gets and the less programming you do. HTML and Basic are good starting languages (I learned True Basic too, although I haven't seen much difference between True Basic and the other kinds of not-Visual Basic there are).
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Ah well, I guess I just need to practice and learn more. It's not hard, I just don't have sucha logical brain. And i always make our specifications out to be more difficult than they really are XD;;
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10-13-2007, 04:10 PM
sure is hard trying to make a program alot, i tryed once failed since it was slowing my computar, lol...i had to delete it all
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10-13-2007, 07:46 PM
@pwny_of_doom
That was a really risky move your friend made. Freelance programming is really hard to be successful at if you don't already have some experience in a corporate environment because there aren't many companies that will be willing to go out on a limb for someone who doesn't have some form of references (grandfather was a freelance programmer). I wish him/her luck though, I do understand that college is very expensive (don't even want to look at how much I've got in student loans).
@Sakura
The logical thinking comes with practice actually ^^ I learned best by taking a perfectly running program and breaking it to see what happened and what controlled what. Learning in classes is fine but it doesn't tell you the real nitty-gritty.
@`.roxas
Sounds like a lot of programs I started with, what were you trying to do? I've been known to get some of the weirder errors, my favorite was a 'too many errors to continue compiling'. Just a few weeks ago, my big semester project program wound up having 2 infinite loops in different places, and could crash an entire computer system with one command. I found out then that late night programming was not something I could do efficiently.
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10-14-2007, 08:29 AM
In high school I learned to program a bit in Java, SQL and FCO-IM. In my free time just HTML and CSS.
Now that I go to university and study information science I am learning to program in Java again, together with the computer science students. I think I will probably fail it this year though. It's so in depth that i just can't keep up with it.
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