No offense to anyone with my title. But there are a couple girls at my school that claim their life is so much harder then my best friend's life because they are in all four AP classes, foreign language, AND work two days a week. My friend is in regular classes that are, of course, hard for HER to do, takes a foreign language, and works five days a week. Now these AP girls started this HUGE debate with her and claim their schedule is more hard to work with, and they have it harder then her. It's irritating to know about. Regular classes to my friend is like taking AP classes for these girls. How does that make sense?! It just irritates me. How can these girls say that? Their ego completely took a crap in their head and made them think they are better then everyone else around them. -sighs-

Has anyone else ever had to deal with arrogant people like this?
This meaning people that let their intelligence completely kill their good qualities.

Well, I just don't think it is right for your friend to be treated in that manner.

However, I also take AP classes, but it is a total
butt schedule because the teachers do love pounding
the kids with work.

Now those girls don't realize that you friend has
harder time with school than they do because well
a lot of Seniors tend to just go lazy their Senior
year and jump into regular and non-honors classes.

I understand your friend could have a harder time,
but maybe they meant their classes are more
rigorous than you friend's, which would be true
because honors courses are more rigorous.

This does NOT mean that they are harder!

I think the ego is getting to their head, but then again, Ap classes are hard. I'm taking 4 myself. xDDD So I understand where they are coming from. I'm also in band, which takes up every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. So, I'm pretty busy with everything. But I personally don't think I'm better than anyone else who takes regular classes because I understand that those classes are difficult for them.

The previous posters here are right--AP classes are definitely harder than regular courses. But everyone knows that. If those girls had to go and say it, they're being mean and arrogant.

I took loads of AP classes in high school but I never talked about it. I mean... you're supposed to take those kind of classes to get out of college classes that you don't want to take. You're not supposed to take them to boost your ego. That's just retarded. No one really cares about what kind of classes you're taking in high school. :roll:

That's terrible!!
I actually am an AP student, but I would never act like that! In fact, I have friends who take all regular courses because honors is too hard. And if that's the case, their schedule is just as hard as mine, or anyone else's!!
also, there are some AP classes that are just so easy it's a joke. Like in my school, AP pyhscoloy and AP NSL.

Yeah, I agree with Jenn_heart. AP Psychology is a joke... as well as any AP English class. They're not really harder than regular classes, so if any of those mean girls are taking those and acting like their lives are harder to manage, don't listen to them.

AP is a joke.
Unless you actually take the test and pass it, then you are AP worthy.
Many students take AP classes but they don't past the final test. (which makes the whole class worthless.) I took AP courses in high school for the credit, not to brag. These girls are obviously just doing it for the attention and to annoy your friend. Just console your friend more. ^_^.

When you are thirty years old, GPAs and how well you did in school will mean nothing. I scored a near 4.0 for my Fall semester grade, and my overall GPA is currently something like 3.89. Does it define who I am? No. Does it mean I am worthy of all life has to offer? Hell no.

Grades mean nothing. They measure textbook smarts, perhaps even other attributes such as memory (studying) and all that jazz. They don't measure how street-smart or world-savvy a person is.

It's been my personal belief that if you don't know how to balance a checkbook or love your fellow man, you're as stupid as they come. :D

All in all, your friend has nothing to worry about. This is coming out of the mouth of a "smartypants". Since you can't give those AP girls a kick in the rear without a whole mess of trouble, just ignore them.

Your friend is doing just fine. ^_^

Originally Posted by Takuto

AP is a joke.
Unless you actually take the test and pass it, then you are AP worthy.
Many students take AP classes but they don't past the final test. (which makes the whole class worthless.)

Ugh, yeah I know. I think I'm totally going to fail the AP test come the end of the year, I really do. I don't particularly care anymore after I've been getting Cs on pretty much all my tests, occasional Bs. My class gets a crossword for our vocabulary to memorize-- 57 words a week which includes people, places, ideas, events, etc. and it's pretty difficult if you ask me, especially when you just cannot find the answer. So you're stuck forced not to get full credit.
Then outlines, every week as well.. which is basically blank printer paper filled from top to bottom, practically no spaces (i'll have to take a pic of it sometime, it is intimidating when i first saw my older friends and their outlines freshman year).
But really, APEC classes are just busy work and memorizing a buttload of stuff. Then come the AP test, you have to remember like... 57x however many weeks it has been since you started school, and that's how many words, as well as 18 or so chapters (not sure how much, but more than 10, since we're on ch. 21 now and we started at 12. We still have a second semester to go)
After this year, I'm not taking another AP class and just shoot for straight As or something to make up for it. Anyway, grawr, i'm rambling off topic. the subject of APEC gets me a bit wired, I get so mad at it sometimes XD
And personally, I don't get how those girls can handle 4 AP classes, that is ridiculous.

Hmm. I have two stories to tell on this one.

Story one: I've received the reverse treatment. I sound like those AP girls, I have 4 AP classes, Spanish 4, Newspaper, and a class online. But I don't rub it in people's face. My friend, who has a load of hard classes too (though less suffering than my schedule) often rubs it in that I lack a life from all these classes, and that I "don't count" whenever she and my other friends complain about school and teachers. She also makes fun of me all the time for suffering from too much homework. My other friends often claim that that my life is horrible and it's my own fault... and that I probably have it easier in class because I'm "so smart". -> That's why I don't care to tell people what classes I have.

On the other hand, story 2: Same friend from before. She seems to really love the fact that I'm taking 4 AP classes. In the beginning of the year, you hear her often saying "Well, Cyndi is taking 4 AP classes." or "Cyndi has it so hard, she's even working on top of all those AP classes she's taking!" I really don't know the people she tells this to, and I doubt they care either. It gets frustrating hearing her talk. So I guess that's in the same case as the couple of girls at your school. I think my friend shouldn't regard my schedule so highly. I have plenty of friends who I think are trying really hard in school even though their classes are just regular level.

In regards to your question, many of my AP classes have teachers who like to dote their students, praising that they are above other students because they are taking AP. I really don't like hearing this because it only puffs up the ego in the students. Also, a teacher of mine often makes fun of the "regular" classes and their answers. Even the AP teachers are more arrogant because they think they are better.

And I'm currently dying in AP Calculus. Taking 4 AP classes was a pretty stupid idea of mine.

I only have two APs, but I am dying in both
because well my AP english teacher grades
so hard, I get Cs on nearly everything.

And my AP Calculus teacher teaches like crap.
However, I wouldn't go up to my friend who
is considered "Special" because of the classes
she has to take and all and be like I am so
much smarter than you because I am taking these
classes.

However, she does believe I am.

Im sorry but I have to disagree with takuto
regardless of wether or not you pass the AP test does not make that class a joke. My Ap Us history class has loads of info literally dumped on us in two days that her regular class covers in a week. Ap is meant to challenge those who find reg ed not challenging enough.

Either way it is worthless to compare each others pain, suffering, and work when they feel like they are trying their best and either making no or little progress. Those girls just need to grow up and leave your friend be. Dont add fuel to the flame

Originally Posted by Mynx

Ugh, yeah I know. I think I'm totally going to fail the AP test come the end of the year, I really do. I don't particularly care anymore after I've been getting Cs on pretty much all my tests, occasional Bs. My class gets a crossword for our vocabulary to memorize-- 57 words a week which includes people, places, ideas, events, etc. and it's pretty difficult if you ask me, especially when you just cannot find the answer. So you're stuck forced not to get full credit.
Then outlines, every week as well.. which is basically blank printer paper filled from top to bottom, practically no spaces (i'll have to take a pic of it sometime, it is intimidating when i first saw my older friends and their outlines freshman year).
But really, APEC classes are just busy work and memorizing a buttload of stuff. Then come the AP test, you have to remember like... 57x however many weeks it has been since you started school, and that's how many words, as well as 18 or so chapters (not sure how much, but more than 10, since we're on ch. 21 now and we started at 12. We still have a second semester to go)
After this year, I'm not taking another AP class and just shoot for straight As or something to make up for it. Anyway, grawr, i'm rambling off topic. the subject of APEC gets me a bit wired, I get so mad at it sometimes XD
And personally, I don't get how those girls can handle 4 AP classes, that is ridiculous.

I took AP Government and Politics and AP World in high school. I knew I would not pass either of them so I just saved my $160 and skipped the test. (The only AP class I passed in high school is AP English and AP Psychology.) I guess if you don't participate that much in the class then you won't do that well. (I guess I learned the hard way.)

@AyAmee-chan: I definitely agree with what you are saying. It takes a huge amount of courage and responsibility to take a college course at such a young age. I guess it depends on who your AP teacher could be to make it worth it. (my AP History and AP American and Government were horrible ones.) I guess I got lucky on my AP english one. *I guess that one test helped me a lot in the long run with college.)

I know what you mean. I hated most of my AP classmates because all they talked about was how much better than everyone else they were. There were only ten kids in my AP Physics class, and I would sit and read during group work because no one would listen to me because I was only taking x amount of AP classes, and everyone else in my group was taking more. It was really frustrating. I was super happy to get to college, where everyone is smart, and you can get far away from people that are asshats fairly easily. :D

I don't think AP classes are really that much harder. I mean, I was in them because I was good at math and science, and I would have been bored in normal classes. Most of my friends in normal classes worked just as hard as I did at homework and tests and understanding concepts. I may have gotten a little bit more work to do, but it was easier for me to do. Honestly, AP or Honors courses don't make anyone better.

D: Basically all I did was repeat what everyone else said. Sorry.

I agree with Chiairen.

I don't think being in an AP class necessarily denotes intelligence. It is more indicative of work ethic and effort. I really believe that just about anyone can be in advanced classes or get good grades if they try hard enough. It's nothing to brag about.

I absolutely hate people like that. I hate when people complain about AP or honors or anything else and say that they're work is soooo hard and all that stuff. Of course it's hard. Those classes are harder. If you don't like harder classes, don't take those classes. Take the regular classes like everyone else. If you're going to take the harder classes, then accept it that they are harder. Stop complaining about it. To me, when people complain like that, I feel like they're actually trying to just be a show off and have a smarter than you attitude, while at the same time looking for pity. I also can't stand people who say they got a bad grade and act all upset and when you ask them what the grade is they say it was a B. That pisses me off to no end. Oh boo hoo, you didn't get straight As, you're not a perfect person. Seriously, people like that need to grow up. That being said, my college keeps emailing me telling me that I qualify for honors classes, but I don't wish to take them, for the reasons stated above. I don't want harder classes, the regular classes are hard enough and I value my social life and free time over taking something harder that isn't really needed. I can get through college without taking those classes, so it's doubtful that I will take them, unless I find a very good reason to do so. Education is important, yes, but I like to enjoy my life outside my classes without having extra homework taking up hours of my life. I will also say that I know someone who's in an AP high school class, and I've seen the kind of assignments he's gotten, and how ridiculously hard they are. So I know that these classes can be insanely hard and anal about grading. Which is why I say, if you don't want to deal with that kind of stuff, don't take those classes.

Not to be mean or anything but those chicks are on crack. My AP classes are extremely slack, we pretty much get three days to do a project when we only need one and we never get homework.

I haven't started my maths yet but from what I've heard about the teacher she's pretty much the same as the ones I have now.

So if your friend has it harder and they want to start another little rant about how they have it harder, just ignore them. Roll your eyes and all that jazz and walk away, cause AP is pretty dang easy in my books.

sounds like those girls are full of unwarranted self-importance.

i took AP classes in high school and had work 5 to 6 days a week. if those girls are complaining about how hard it is, they shouldn't be in AP classes.

when i took AP, the work was actually kind of easy for me, and didn't take me long to get things done.

tell them to get over themselves?

They aren't looking at it in the same way that your friend is I think. It sounds like they're thinking only of the difficulty of the AP class compared to the regular class. They are not considering their own ability and your friend's ability. The amount of trouble that your friend has in the regular class may be the same amount of trouble that those girls have in the AP class.

Currently, I go to the University of Hawaii. Some friends I have that went to private schools go to more prestigious colleges on the mainland, and most are trying to become engineers. I on the other hand am working towards an art/animation degree. The hours of work my one friend spends on his classes are pretty ridiculous in my opinion, and he barely gets any sleep. I had a butt load of art classes which took a lot of time and hard work because I have to be creative and do lots of art in my freetime for homework etc. I think I work really hard in my art, and although I don't lose as much sleep as my friend, the work is still strenuous and difficult. However, after I complain about the work that I have to do, he'll always compare that work to his own hours of work. I can see what he's trying to say, but I don't think that the work is comparable since I'm a different person than he is, doing different work.

I think its the same situation as what your friend is experiencing. Just support your friend. Also consider that those girls might not realize they're coming off that way. Lots of people get egos a little without realizing it, and only see it after and perhaps feel bad about how they may have treated others.

I'm a freshman in highschool so I haven't exactly met up with any of these people. I'm sure there are always those kinds of people though, obnoxious and ignorant.

I can sort of relate to this?

When I was in 8th grade, there was this girl who was in Geometry Honors along with four other people.

The regular 8th grade math students were doing their homework or something and someone was complaining about how a problem was hard and then the Geometry Honors girl comes along and says, "Why are you guys complaining about algebra 1 ? Geometry Honors is so much harder. I'm in it."

She did that to a lot of people and she's known for her ignorance. ><

Yeah I'm not really sure if that had any relevance but still. ;P

Try not to worry about those kind of people. It sounds like they're just trying to get you riled up. Don't let them get to you...in fact, don't even bother trying to argue about it with them. They aren't going to change their minds and you aren't going to change yours. I think it's one of those scenerios where you just have to move on.

I think it's wrong what they're saying and all that and yes, their egos have gotten to their head. BUT I must say like the others, AP classes are very hard because the teachers do expect more and don't slow down if you're lagging. I have a few myself (as well as Pre-AP) and it's not easy at all xP

Yeah, I have. They think they're the smartest people in the world, but really are just big jerks...

Though, I don't think it's just smart people. Basically some people just have a very high jerk factor. XD

I don't think it will change anytime soon. I know some people who act like they know everything, and if you are not super detailed they tell you your wrong and blah blah blah.. It's very annoying...

Arrogant people are just damn annoying. There's nothing about them that makes them a supremely better person then anyone else and I wish they'd realize that.

I took an ap course.. and I only took one.. and the course was english and I couldn't fit work in cause I was writing several papers...

basically a 20page paper every two weeks or a week with lot's of research.. it was.. monday you have a new assignment.. oh and it's due the next monday... I know it was really hard to focuse on that...

now if these girls are taking four AP classes and working Kudos to them cause they probably do have it a lot harder then your friend... not saying they were in the right but chances are it's alot harder for them to juggle school and work even if its two days a week.. it's rough...

I don't think they should have started a debate but they should have explain...

I know I got annoyed when our seniors complained about senior project which is ONE 10 page paper and a presentation.. and they complained about writing that and working when I was writing papers and busting ass at home researching to maintain a decent grade..

you have to understand AP is a college level course...

::shrugs:: They were wrong how the approached it but i can see where they are comming from its annoying to hear people bitch... about things... when you know what you're going through is hell you know?