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Old 09-19-2008, 05:21 AM

Well, I don't know about goths worshipping the devil, however I do know that many people view black as a somber, deathly color, and that a lot of witches are portrayed in it, (I read somewhere that all goths were said to be wiccans or something)

I also know that skulls and crosses are symbols of death (yes, crosses) but I don't know about where the stereotypes came from.

Many emo people I know DO cut themselves. They do it as a form of release.

I've also heard that Goth's eat emos for breakfast, but we all know that that's hardly true.

I agree, labels are for soup cans. I'm just going to be me, and you can deal with it or not, thank you very much.

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Old 09-19-2008, 05:29 AM

My personal favorite stereotype is "If you pushed a mexican off a cliff all that would be left was a grease splt"

I'm kidding about it being my "favorite" and yes, I have heard this used in real life.

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Old 09-21-2008, 12:11 AM

In my opinion most of the social stereotypes relate more to attitude than appearance. I knew a guy who was a total prep in dress but an Emo in attitude. Of course he denied being so Emo, but he really was so annoying. At least he wasn't Scene.

Anyways, Goth also has many sub-categories, such as Aristocratic goths, EGL, Cyber, Heavy Metal, etc. Some say that Emo is a soft-core goth, my favorite phrase is Goths eat Emos for breakfast. Punk is often confused for goth because of the general attitude and prevail ant amounts of black, however Goth's usually wear dark, mute tones like dark red and blue with their black while punks often wear the bubblegum pink, neon green and bright blues. Both Goths and Punks have penchants for spikes and chains, but if I saw someone with a face full of metal I would either call him or her Punk or Emo depending on the rest of the clothing/hair, rather than Goth.

I will explain the Gothic sub-cats:
Aristocrats are the goths that dress in Victorian era clothing, often in black, and have an overall elegant appearance. Aristocratic Goths are prevalently men, but sometimes women choose the style. EGL stands for Elegant Gothic Lolita. The fashion originated in Japan, it's the darker side of Angelic Lolita. Basically this style of dress is cute baby doll dresses, platform Maryjanes, bonnets and parasols. It is based on Victorian era clothing, but shortened and more frilly. Cyber Goths are the ones that wear the bondage Tripp pants, heavy chains, army boots, and duct tape their clothes back together when they fall apart. Heavy metal is similar to Cyber Goths, but with more metal, chains, and spikes, often with a few extra piercings (but not a face full like Punk); their boots usually have spikes in them and they often wear spiked wristbands. Emos are soft-core Goth/Punk, they wear lots of black, tight slim jeans, stripes, and Converse shoes (which can obviously be worn by other social stereotypes, they simply seem the most popular with Emos.) All of these sub-cats often mix and match, such as with Heavy Metal Lolitas, but the foundation of the outfit will let you know which is which. And you will never see a Heavy-metal Goth even touch Lolita, while you will see it the other way around.

Stereotypes often have a basis in fact. Goths are often those with an interest in the macabre, therefor they are labeled as Satanists. Self claimed Vampires and other humans that think they are dark mythological beings are usually Goth, though the Aristocratic kind. Emo kids are often the kind that are whiney and annoying. Skaters often fall into either the punk category or the Emo category these days. However, calling a Goth a Satanist is a fallacy, because while some may be Satanist, Satan worshippers tend to blend very well with society in all of it's subcultures. This is not to be confused with Wiccans, who are also often (but not always) Goth in dress. Goths often actually wear crosses (as a symbol of death rather than Christ) and regular pentagrams, whereas the Satanist symbol is an inverted pentagram with a goats head in the middle. If there is no goats head on the inverted pentagran then they are Wiccan, not Satanist.

I also know many people who are not emo but cut. The only real difference is that Emos tend to be more open with it, using it as an expression of their own stereotype and feux-depression (the Emos I have known are depressed because they can't get laid because they're annoyingly Emo) rather than using it as those I have known who are not Emo to dull their real heartache with physical pain.

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Old 09-28-2008, 11:06 AM

I would really like to know who came up with al these streotypes because i get called emo by my friends but the term emo was originally a genre of music and it still is today. So i would love to know who the person was who decide to label themself as a genre of music...

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Old 09-28-2008, 04:27 PM

I hate stereotypes, and being a young, Christian African-American female college student, I break as many of them as possible.

The stereotypes on college students: I don't drink (EVER), I've never had sex, there are no "Girls gone Wild" in my vocabulary.

The stereotypes of Christians: I don't talk about my religion unless the topic of religion comes up or it's about my morals. There is no "Bible-thumping", or "You're going to Hell" speech. I'm sick of people saying that about Christians, and naturally, I don't go into that. I'm proud of my religion, but just like I don't want people's "God doesn't exist" thrown in my face, I don't put, "You sinner!" in theirs.

The Stereotypes that African-Americans are violent: I have NEVER fought in my life. NEVER had to throw a punch. I have argued plenty of times, but I have never been so brought as to raise my fist at someone.

The Stereotypes that African-Americans are ignorant: Judging from the way I type, using grammar and punctuation and able to write full complete sentences, no one would have been able to tell I was African American -based on the ridiculous, foolish idea that African-American people are not smart. I have no children, I'm nearing my graduation from college, and I am able to voice my views and opinions with precision. That doesn't sound ignorant to me.

The Stereotypes that African-American women are angry: Is just ridiculous. Anyone who puts an emotion and stamps it onto a group of people, already, are just idiots by default. African-American women are strong and hold the hardships of life. We go through both Racism and Sexism day by day by the ignorant judgments of people. We have to work harder for the things we want, just to get respect (hardly) by our peers.

If anything, it feels like the world is angry at US than anything else.

-and lastly. I can't stand Rap music. I would like it if it did not have lyrics, or I could not understand (as if I can now) what the rappers were saying. I am NOT a female-dog, or a "hoe". I respect myself and others, and would like the same from others in return.

I'm not rare either. There are a lot of people like me, but people are too dumb and blind to look at personality and not skin-color and physical appearance.

Last edited by (D) e v o t i o n; 09-28-2008 at 04:29 PM.. Reason: -Darn straight I love fried Chicken. Why is that a bad thing?

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Old 10-16-2008, 12:34 PM

Stereotypes based on visual cues will never go away because humans rely most on their eyes for most things in our society. In a crowded room you can't possibly hear more than a couple conversations, and you would only be able to follow one. You can't hear what that guy in the corner is whispering to his friend, but you can see what he is wearing. You can see what everyone is wearing, and you'll go sit by whoever either looks like you, or looks safe/friendly. This is how we survived all of these centuries, judging safety on appearances since it's our only long-range sense.

At Kokoro, one reason crosses remind people of death is because of crucifixion, people died on the cross. Crosses are also used to decorate headstones and graves, again, death-related.

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Old 10-20-2008, 12:37 AM

I don't like stereotypes.

It's not nice to judge someone without knowing them first, like the term: poser. It's a stereotype, and I find it insulting majority of the time. Many of us don't know what's going through people's lives, maybe people are emo for a reason, or goths. Maybe they are depressed and they don't know how to express it, yet they express it through that way. Maybe they are just striving for attention and wants to fit in with the group that gets most of the popularity. Even though this happens, it doesn't make them a poser. Nothing makes anyone anything. You can't simply call someone a prep because they wear pink and look like cheerleaders. You can't call someone emo because they wear black all the time and they have stylish haircuts. Maybe that's just who they are and they want to express themselves that way. They are being human beings, and last time I checked... emos, goths, preps, posers.... are not human beings.

The whole factor of it all frustrates me and saddens me that many people will be so judgemental about others just because they don't like what they see or they just want to be super critical because they think that person's life is not perfect. I find it disturbing and way out of the zone of a normal human being's nature and comfort zone.

 


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