People enjoy pointing the finger at the government and Bush, don't they?

Tell me, how many people make up the government? Surely not that many when compared to the whole of, say, the United States. It's not the government's SUV's that are emitting harmful chemicals into the air, or the government's trash that is filling up the landfills. It's ours, as a whole. People, as a whole, are making bad decisions that add up over time. Sure, the government isn't exactly leading the way to a greener future, but as a people of the world, we have to make personal choices to make things better than they are. Only then will we see results.

Originally Posted by shanzyluvshim

well i think us as humans are extremely stupid! i mean 70 years ago, or how ever long ago, oil was unlimited. now look at us, fighting over it like the selfish animals that we are.

It's not that limited now, the environmentalists won't let us drill in the parks in the US where oil can be found.

i mean the whole plastic thing is horrible as well. did u know that in the pacific ocean there is an area filled with plastic containers just floating below the surface? yeah! it's twice the size of the U.S.! i can't believe it either....

I've never heard of that...

people in africa are dying of AIDS and HIV....and what do we do? pretty much nothing....sure there are people out there with money helping them out... but is that really enough? i don't think so....

people in africa think to get rid of aids you have sex with a virgin. that's actually how you spread it. we are trying to teach them, but perhaps they just don't believe us...

and wat about global warming? i mean come on! are we just going to let the ice caps melt away as people on the coast drown?

in the 70's, the environmentalists were all about global cooling and said it was going to be the next ice age. They were WRONG and probably are wrong again.

How does the government let this happen? i don't understand? can someone please explain this to me? they're supposed to be protecting us....but instead they're tapping our phones and starting wars over oil and money and control....but wat about the little people who really have no say in ne of it? where do we stand? o, i know....in front of our comps or t.v.'s slowly dieing our rights as people away!

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE U WOULD LIKE TO STAND IN ALL OF THIS?

The government does not control everything. People like to blame the government when things go wrong. Really, the 'government' is a broad term used when people think things are going wrong in the world... sigh.
THEY AREN'T TAPPING OUR PHONES FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE. They only listen if it's in arabic or something, or if you are talking overseas to someone over in a suspicious country saying the word BOMB or something!
Oh, boy. The little people. The minority. Give us rights, blah blah. Stuff like that sickens me. What sickens me worse is someone who doesn't respect soldiers and what they do for our country... they risk their lives for us, and the media pushes how war is bad, and why are we even in the war and whatever. It depresses me.

You've got rights. Yeah...
if you care so much about the plastic, you and a bunch of friends get together and spend a bunch of cash to safely dispose of it. I have no idea how to do that... and would rather use my money for other things.

Um, I should stop before I rage into off-topic... feel free to PM me. I won't bite...

We're slowly killing it, thats what. At least some people are finally starting to realize that if we don't do something, we truly might have to try living on the moon. It's to bad it might be to late for people to save a bunch of places, like melting ice caps, if we don't do something...we could all drown:shock:

@ZeldaFlower: the environmentalists won't let anyone drill there because it could be a delicate ecosystem. If anyone drilled for oil there, they could destroy the whole habitat and animals that live in it. It might not seem like a big deal now, but if one animal dies, another animal that has to feed on it dies also.....and it just keeps going.

Alright, This all really stems from two basic principles A) Humans are inheretently selfish by nature. This selfishness with lead them to want to do something to change so long as it does not affect there personal life. The second stems from the Idea that where people need to be accepted by people they also have a driving force that leads them to want to be self dependent. This paired with the fact that we now have the tools to be self reliant the world is becomeing more and more a place of every man for themselves. In other words......we are driven to continue our comfortable lives of destruct......because of our selfish greed.

Can people PLEASE stop saying that humans are killing the Earth?!? The thing has had giant meteors thrown into it and it's still here! Do you honestly think that some extra CO2 will destroy the planet? There was a time when the great majority of the atmosphere was CO2 and completely devoid of all O2. Nature took care of that problem with a little thing called evolution and photosynthesis. Sure we might screw up the ecosystems or flood the place, but the universe can take care of itself without our help.

If you want to talk about preserving an environment in which we can comfortably inhabit, that's another story. Frankly, I think most people are too stupid and greedy to give up their comfortable lifestyles for their great great great grandchildren, people they'll never know (see: global poverty), until we're all dying anyway and there's not much that can be done.

Then rises another question: Do we deserve to have a planet to live on? Maybe we should go terraform a new world and leave these other species to their own eventual doom (all species on Earth will go extinct and be replaced by species more fit to live in a changing world. Screw pandas).

EDIT: Sorry if anything seems like a repeat from the last post. I forgot I had already posted in this thread.

@General Lee- do we deserve to live on the planet, probably not. However that should not stop us from trying to preserve our own existance here. More and more people have become selfish and greedy. Crime is ever on the rise....and even those who do not commit crimes dont care. When was the last time you saw a complete stranger open a door for an old woman...or help her to cross the street. When was the last time you saw someone stop to help the mother struggling with four kids put something heavy into that car. The kindness in the world is dyeing and with it are cares......its becomeing a sad sad world.

First off, I'm not American, I'm from the UK. Just like to say that before I carry on.

The Bush Admin has done a few things for America: increased paranoia and wasted thousands of dollars on the war in Iraq, made it more likely that terrorists will want to take him down, possibly caused 9/11 to get money from it (I can easily believe this), and caused controversy and bad feeling towards America everywhere.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but I don't think America deserves the bad reputation it's been getting lately because of George W. I'm really glad someone's going to replace him soon. I just hope said person has a higher level of common sense than my neighbours cat, unlike the current president.

Humans are doing bad things to the environment, yes, but its a bit pretentious to think we can destroy the Earth. Sooner or later, mother nature will wipe us out if we don't either start downsizing our numbers (the planet can't support 6 billion people) or move to other planets. Whether or not we exist on it, Earth will continue. It's very likely that some vast economic disaster will destroy us all in one fell swoop. And for all the "Human Rights" activists out there, consider this: The vast and seemingly mysterious entity known as Mother Nature is not human, and as such has no concept of Human Rights. She will kill you all no matter who you are. We may have to take the same stance to save ourselves as a species in a few decades, if we have to wait that long. Now that might mean that I am one of the ones who has to die. If so, oh well. It's not like I was going to do anything spectacular and noteworthy in the first place during my stay on planet Earth.

Originally Posted by MystiTrinqua

First off, I'm not American, I'm from the UK. Just like to say that before I carry on.

The Bush Admin has done a few things for America: increased paranoia and wasted thousands of dollars on the war in Iraq, made it more likely that terrorists will want to take him down, possibly caused 9/11 to get money from it (I can easily believe this), and caused controversy and bad feeling towards America everywhere.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but I don't think America deserves the bad reputation it's been getting lately because of George W. I'm really glad someone's going to replace him soon. I just hope said person has a higher level of common sense than my neighbours cat, unlike the current president.

Humans are doing bad things to the environment, yes, but its a bit pretentious to think we can destroy the Earth. Sooner or later, mother nature will wipe us out if we don't either start downsizing our numbers (the planet can't support 6 billion people) or move to other planets. Whether or not we exist on it, Earth will continue. It's very likely that some vast economic disaster will destroy us all in one fell swoop. And for all the "Human Rights" activists out there, consider this: The vast and seemingly mysterious entity known as Mother Nature is not human, and as such has no concept of Human Rights. She will kill you all no matter who you are. We may have to take the same stance to save ourselves as a species in a few decades, if we have to wait that long. Now that might mean that I am one of the ones who has to die. If so, oh well. It's not like I was going to do anything spectacular and noteworthy in the first place during my stay on planet Earth.

What if it becomes known that we may in fact be killing off the hunny bees? Without hunny bees the world would not last more then a couple years.....would that not mean we have killed off the planet? (Just an example.) I do understand that it is highly unlikely but not impossible....we would destroy the planet should a nuclear war ever come about as well.

Originally Posted by Mimi Lara

What if it becomes known that we may in fact be killing off the hunny bees? Without hunny bees the world would not last more then a couple years.....would that not mean we have killed off the planet? (Just an example.) I do understand that it is highly unlikely but not impossible....we would destroy the planet should a nuclear war ever come about as well.

The world lasted billions of years before the arrival of honey bees and it'll certainly survive after they're gone. While bees serve an important role as pollinators, they're not the only ones. Many other insects, bats, and other animals also help to pollinate plants. Even if they didn't, some ecosystems, such as those that form around deep-sea vents, don't even rely on plants to survive. The Earth is like chemical equilibrium. If something upsets the system, the system adjusts to reach equilibrium again. That adjusted system probably won't be habitable to us, but it will still survive.

I'd also like to point out that even if the above was untrue, and all life was removed from Earth, the planet would still be fine. Not much can take down a giant hunk of rock.

Originally Posted by `I L L U S I O N S

Oh? Someone who agree's with me? -Cool.

The government sucks, but without it, we would have nothing but chaos in our towns and city's. I hate the government and having a president in general. [[Personally, I would like to go back to a King/Queen thing but they dont have any power these days.]] I will never vote, choose to participate in politics and frankly, try and forget about the government. They dont want to help us. They just want our money and fund useless projects.

Other countries are doing better then us, actually. I believe is just America. But I do support the idea that humans are responsible for many errors in our world. -If people dont like certain country, then they decide to make everyone else them, ignoring their request for help. I thought humans were for helping one another? To get everyone where they should be, in the modern world? You know, with computers, TV, cars, all that useless stuff they adds onto the pollution.

And Global warming is REAL. People think its fake. People also think the twin towers never collapsed. "Oh, so they magically disappeared?" -Psh. People dont seem to accept bad things. [[Sorry if the Twin Tower quote offended you.]] Its real. Dont say its not. Some parts of it is actually natural, the Ozone layer is supposed to keep the sun's heat from escaping the planet, but were just adding onto it with all our polluting. [[Like Smoke towers, car's, gas exhaust.]] -But yes. People are trying to bring global warming down. To prevent the ice caps from melting. But not enough peopel are involved. Everyone -Mostly the younger generation- want "New Cars" such as the Hummer, which is a big gas guzzler that spews its used gas into the air. And dont bother taking the bus, commuting or walking. Cause its "Too much work" or "Its to hot." Please. Humans need to understand that in order to live life, you have to work. -I just want humans to understand that life isnt going to be all happy and healthy, the way we keep doing what were doing, the air will be to toxic to breath.

AIDs helps cut the population down. There are to many people on this planet. -And to add on to all the horriable things this planet is going through because of us. I hate being in crowds because...well, there humans. >_> [[Yes. Im aware that Im human...I have errors too so Im just as horriable as everyone else.]] But I go out to do what I love, photography. But there's TOO MANY PEOPLE! AIDS/HIV isnt working fast enough. -Yes. I know its a bad thing to have but it helps. If people didnt be so stupid and not have sex, there would be less people. [[I blame Hollywood/Celebrities.]]

People say Im insane for saying this, well at least I know the truth. :3

GREAT post! I agree with you completely! Except I don't think that people should die of AIDS...there are too many people, but I just think that people should quit doing things when they shouldn't be doing it, like having sex when they are too young and getting pregnant and not being responsible. I think that it would be better if people adopted kids more instead of having them more....

But It IS man kind thats ruining this earth. And it's man kind thats going to destroy it if they don't try and stop what they started. Just open your eyes and stop being so ignorant. Look around you. Look at what is happening to us. Then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Originally Posted by General Lee Outrageous

The world lasted billions of years before the arrival of honey bees and it'll certainly survive after they're gone. While bees serve an important role as pollinators, they're not the only ones. Many other insects, bats, and other animals also help to pollinate plants. Even if they didn't, some ecosystems, such as those that form around deep-sea vents, don't even rely on plants to survive. The Earth is like chemical equilibrium. If something upsets the system, the system adjusts to reach equilibrium again. That adjusted system probably won't be habitable to us, but it will still survive.

I'd also like to point out that even if the above was untrue, and all life was removed from Earth, the planet would still be fine. Not much can take down a giant hunk of rock.

I would like to point out that yes I agree with you that the planet itself would survive. But then I make the point....what good is an uninhabitable hunk of rock to us? I have been making my arguements based solely on the idea that the Earth is an earth full of life. A dead Earth is one without life. I just thought I would clear that up.

Bees are a major contributor to our ecosystem...the main form of pollination. I believe that it was Einstien....may have been someone else though...I can not seem to find it again. Who said that without hunny bees the human population would not last more then two years.

@Aurora- I agree. I have always thought putting a quota on the amount of children a woman is allowed to have. Like 2 at most. Then if they want more they are allowed to adopt more then that.

I Totally agree with you..The earth was so pure before We inhabitied the earth,the sad part is they predicted all this 6 years ago..and terrorism ...Yuck,i feel sorry for our children because there gonna suffer for what we did.

People will complain about it till the end of time but nothing is gonna save the planet.

the only way we'll be saved is if we run out of resources, go back to the stone age, and wait for the earth to heal itself. then we'll start it all over again xD

We aren't killing Earth xD We are killing ourselves [and most species in the process] as a consecuence of finding an easy way to live more comfortable... kind of ironic since most humans suffer for the same reasons... oh well.
About AIDS, even if it was an accident [rape, didn't know your partner had it, etc] or not, you'll always be guilty if even a bit. But no matter how much we try, it's there and won't be gone [at least not that easy], so let's try to see the brighter side: There are less people as there would be if AIDS didn't exist. OH BTW Condoms don't always protect you from AIDS. The HIV can go through the pores ya'know? Plus there's the risk of it breaking xP
But don't worry, humans won't dissappear... unless the world becomes a whole sea of lava... but mehh we are hard to kill. See, we're the worse virus ever known:
If Earth were a 40 years old man...
... and humans were a virus...
... and "killed" Earth...
... We would have killed it in 7 hours! That's 7 times faster than Ebola, that kills a human in 48 hours, sheeesh man~!
About oil, don't worry. Lots of innocents will die, yes, but when it runs out, the oil enterprises will have to sell that prototype of car that works with water [they own the rights xP] to keep getting money.
Oh yes! Money. There's were it all starts! To be wealthy, it's an instinctive desire of the human race. So~ Unless a whole continent becomes chrometophobic [extreme fear of money], people won't stop.
Aaand, I better repeat what Chexala said in the first page. The "floating continent of plastic" is the size of Texas, not the whole USA. There's a big difference even when both of them are big xP

My opinion: Education, please. We need more education. Basic education [everyone should know how to read!], Complex education [we need professionals!], Sexual education [be more responsible, kids], Ecologic education [don't throw away that blank paper! Eeek!], Ethical, Moral education [you know, there are more people on this world! Think of me!] etc. I've noticed that most people lack these. But when someone has all of it 'cept the 3 last ones, they're worse than eating fish with milk and lemonade @[email protected]''

PS: ...sheesh what a long post =w= I hope my opinion helps someone.