The perverted scenes that some of them have, they're okay, but not if they're to many of them. .

yes, that is really realyl annoying, like the constant nose bleed parts, it is stupid, yes it is fan service, but to point of no reason other than for the pictures. Go watch videos if you want that, not anime.

Aside from the weird accents that are sometimes added to the characters when dubbing a series (poor Osaka from Azumanga Daioh didn't stand a chance) I hate pedophilia (Cardcaptor Sakura) and incest (Angel Sanctuary), that just bothers me.

This is a little of-topic... but pedophilia in Cardcaptor Sakura??

Originally Posted by fiarra

This is a little of-topic... but pedophilia in Cardcaptor Sakura??

Well, one of the girls had a crush on one of the teachers (and apparently, it wasn't completely onesided), and Sayoran had a crush on Yuki for a while (this one was completely onesided).

(poor Osaka from Azumanga Daioh didn't stand a chance)

Did they give her a Southern accent? Because apparently, that's the american equivalent to the Osaka accent.

Originally Posted by Rmarques

Well, one of the girls had a crush on one of the teachers (and apparently, it wasn't completely onesided), and Sayoran had a crush on Yuki for a while (this one was completely onesided).

Did they give her a Southern accent? Because apparently, that's the american equivalent to the Osaka accent.

The crush Sayoran (and Sakura) had on Yuki didn't both me too much because it was onesided and a child crush, the one with the girl and her teacher bothered me because it was shown to not be onesided with the teacher giving the girl a ring (the scene basically implied that they were then engaged) and she was 12ish.

But the Osaka dialect when translated in manga always came across as Boston to me, so when Osaka turned out sounding like a blonde cowgirl it really bothered me because it wasn't anything like what I expected.

Originally Posted by Servant_of_Victory

But the Osaka dialect when translated in manga always came across as Boston to me, so when Osaka turned out sounding like a blonde cowgirl it really bothered me because it wasn't anything like what I expected.

Weird... Especially because I think both have to run the changes through the original creators...

Originally Posted by Rmarques

Weird... Especially because I think both have to run the changes through the original creators...

I heard that too, so its more that the voices didn't match what I was expecting while I read the series. Its really silly to prefer the accent of the character in Japanese than in English, especially if the creators had to OK it. To be fair, she remained the same flaky character so that was good ^^

Originally Posted by Servant_of_Victory

I heard that too, so its more that the voices didn't match what I was expecting while I read the series. Its really silly to prefer the accent of the character in Japanese than in English, especially if the creators had to OK it. To be fair, she remained the same flaky character so that was good ^^

Well, if it's just a matter of personal taste, then I'd hardly call it silly. Now, if you were going all "ZMOG TIS IS HRRBL! HW DRE TEY DUB IT? JAP VOICES FOR EVAH <3333!!!1ONEONEONEONE" (I think I broke a few brain cells)...

English dubs for anime, ruins it all. And also when the manga continues but the anime stops halfway. =w=;

For manga, a crappy ending! D< Or no plot line!

Originally Posted by Rmarques

Well, if it's just a matter of personal taste, then I'd hardly call it silly. Now, if you were going all "ZMOG TIS IS HRRBL! HW DRE TEY DUB IT? JAP VOICES FOR EVAH <3333!!!1ONEONEONEONE" (I think I broke a few brain cells)...

Nope, I'll admit that I don't usually agree with the way some voices turn out but I always at least try out the English voices on my DVDs to see how it is. Some jokes don't translate over so well though in the comedy anime I watch or in the manga and when its a dub and that happens, the scene just feels awkward, usually on subs they have a note explaining it.

I hate it when they kill off my favorite character D; It always happens!
But they never kill off the characters that get on my nerves either, which makes it worse D;

I have to agree with you on the high squeaky obnoxious voice for a character in anime. In english, or in the original, but I haven't watched dubbed in a loooong time [thank you! C:]Also for anime, it's when they completely change the story [the manga if it's based off of one] and they change it for worse =______=.

For manga, it's a disappointing ending and/or a rushed ending. Another thing were there's another manga with a pretty similar plot AND it's done better.

Another thing is when the story drags [this is for manga and anime]

Originally Posted by Rmarques

Well, one of the girls had a crush on one of the teachers (and apparently, it wasn't completely onesided), and Sayoran had a crush on Yuki for a while (this one was completely onesided).

The thing with Syaoron wasn't really a crush though. It was an effect of Yuki actually being a Guardian and Syaoran inately sensing that and being confused. And yes there is a student/teacher relationship but it's never painted in anything beyond a very innocent light. When I think of pedophilia it's more along the lines of actual sexual interaction being depicted. As such I hardly think of the relationships in CCS to be such.

Oh man, the squeaky voices always get me. D: That's why I usually like the manga more. It's not just the dubbed voices either, I hate it when the Japanese voices are really high pitched, which is really often.

I also hate drawn out battle scenes. Like the ones that take 10 episodes to get over with, jeez.

I also dislike it when the females are weak in battle, but they pack a huge punch when they're out of battle, I mean, what is that?! They can throw a pervert into the next galaxy, but they can't even defend themselves against the antagonist. I think this kind of thing happens mostly in shounen manga, though.

I just hate harem. :/ It's just terrible. Annnd...

Fangirls in anime. They're annoying like IRL ones. XD

I also hate mistranslations. I hate so much, but... why do I still watch it?!

Battle scenes that drag on FOREVER. I mean, as long as they're actually fighting, that's okay. But when they're just staring at each other, it's not. Does anyone remember a few weeks ago with the hour long Naruto "special" where he and Orochimaru glared at each other from across the bridge for at least 45 minutes? Yeah, that bothers me. (As a side note, Oofuri tends to do this a lot, but I'm not bothered by it as much, as the entire series is basically character development. lol)

Harem shows. And shows that trick me into thinking they're not a harem show when they are. Ouran is starting to get that way (in the manga at least) and it bothers me to no end.

Fans. :D Fans bother me. They're either too intellectual or too squee. It doesn't matter if they're boys or girls. Both of them suck the life out of a good series. So I tend not to get involved in fanworld unless the series has a low following.

Note on Cardcaptor Sakura: If you can name one CLAMP series that doesn't have some strange romantic relationship in it, I'll give you a cookie. I love them, but "normal" is not something you go to CLAMP series for.

how did this topic turn into yet another Dub bash vs Sub thing?

to keep with the actual point

-Weak Female characters

-"I'm Late for School!"

-Boring Opening/Ending Songs

-Males that looks so much like Females, that they might as well have been Female.

-"Oops I tripped and my face landed in your cleavage"

-Japanese VAs who can not sing or are tone deaf, and people excuse their lousy singing based on 'they are portraying the character' ...no, no they are not.

-Characters that are so messed up, you dont care if every one of them dies. in fact when it happens you laugh, you laugh long and hard...Eva i am lookin at you

-Using Japanese Woman VA's to play certain male characters, and the voice does not fit how the character acts or looks. For whatever reason a large amount of them give males this "I talk with my tongue in my cheek plus i got the mumps" voice.

-"KAY!! i tripped and my skirt flew up and now i am straddling your face someone how!"

-parents who dont worry about were their children are for long periods of time, and even then they seem to be light headed...which is common with A LOT of Teen aimed animation on all sides of the globe, but dang.

-"Unn mmmmm BAKA!!"

-Female Tsundere's... they can be entertaining, but they get old. and their need to punch every male that compliments them is irritating. then they blush when they get their ass kicked.

-Male Tsundere's... the ones that are verbally and at times physically abusive to a point that you wonder what is up with japan. and female characters continue to take the abuse to 'change' the male character, who ends up with some sob story to excuse his abusive nature.

-Glitter Tears... okay we get it, its a sad moment

-Pupils that dilate when upset, when really, pupils contract when people are upset.

-Screaming for long periods of time...are you hurt? are you feelin' the pawaa? can you do that in silence please?

-Moe characters that are so freakin stupid you want to erase them from existence.

-"GASP 'blank'-Sama is coming this way!! what do i doooo?!?! kyaaaa!!"

-Stupid attack names that have so much Engrish in them you wonder how you can take it seriously.

-Fillers that make the characters OOC (out of character). add more sex and violence and perv moments that were never apart of the series to begin with

-Anime that deviates from the Manga so much that its not even the same series

-Characters that say each others names over and over again

-For whatever reason, when Japanese VAs make that choking noise, "Gaah Uggh UUGHAHA, CAHAA" irritates me so much!! its not emotional! its just annoying gag noises.

-Dancing... Anime characters have some of the worst dance animation i have ever seen, with exceptions.

-High pitched voices that are just high pitched because the character looks young or is energetic. Sometimes doing a mid tone voice is best.
half the time characters with pitched voices like that are unimportant

-Ugly Anime clothing, that the Manga made look beautiful

-Whisper talking characters, mostly has to do with the VAs performance. in any language.

-Japanese VAs with such bad and emotionless acting, you wonder how people are a fan of them

-Hot Spring scenes just to get some skin. especially if they are just tossed in for the purpose of cheapening the anime.

-American anime characters, half the time they are exactly like one from another anime. Apparently Japan has a real narrow view of Americans even when they have the vast opportunity with animation.
'blonde and blue eyed seem to be popular'
'thin eyes...while japanese characters have large saucer plates'
'usually tan'
'loud, clueless, rude'
'if they are half and half, they are more japanese than american'

-Chinese anime characters, like American ones. They are also grossly stereotyped, usually angry and act stupid. They have the same freakin look:
'hair bun/bowl cut'
'pale skin'
'thin brown eyes'
'wearing some chinese garb'
'always want to fight'
'speak broken japanese with a mix of chinese'
'have to say niao at some point in their sentence'
'loud, stubborn, selfish'

A lot more...but its late and i am tired and frustrated by spoiled anime fans

Ohh, Bunai, thanks for reminding me.

Anime soundtracks with really good and cute vocals, that are supposed to be sang by the seyuu, who turn out to be complete hacks as singers (Y HALLO THAR Aya Hirano).

@Rmarques: XD I know what you mean.

Hm. Not quite sure how this turned into a dubs vs. subs thing; probably because those are often the most contested/debated things when watching anime? D: Iunno. It sure seems like it in my school.

Anyway. You all bring up good points, while I disagree with some of them. >.>;; Eheh. I'm guilty of liking the guys-so-pretty-you're-not-sure-of-their-gender, but hey--that's just me.

*stares in disbelief at Bunai's list* With a list that long I start to wonder if you even like anime? xD

No tsundere OR moe characters? That's so sad. I love myself some good moe and tsundere is just a character trait that a lot of people think is cute.

And sterotypes exist and always will exist in anime. Especially the American one and I think it's just really amusing.

dont take my listing as face value/solid opinion not gonna change.

i can be swayed. but those are just certain things that you see so much you get bored of it. and it seems like more anime is getting more Otaku oriented just because they are the largest consumer of it. anime that use to have good stories and likable characters have turned just shallow, adding all the characteristics of to please one groups fantasy.

@Rmarques
i enjoy Aya's songs because she puts energy in them, i figured i was the only one who noticed how nasaly and whiny her voice can really be.
Sugita Tomokazu...first time i heard him was in Chobits, and since then i just dont like the guys work. one thing i like about him, is that he can spaz out with the best of them. other than that he is very dull and his singing is... >_> just avoid it.

@Rinali Lee
lol i dont mind.
pretty boys are fine, boys with femme looks, ones that look gentle. woo hoo!
its the ones that just look like female characters, to a point that you can just slap on some boobs. i am not fond of them, because they might as well be female and usually they are characters that dont stand out and let people walk all over them, i get that is some kind of likable thing with some people.
if they are some kind of hermaphrodite (looks wise), it makes sense.

@fiarra
i do like Anime. i am just not a huge fan of it.
i like animation in general and can pick at a lot of things, but that is not going to stop them from being produced. ^_^ or stop me from watching it...with a few eye twitches XD

and its certain Tsundere and Moe characters.
example: Naru Narusegawa, at first her tough girl exterior was amusing, then she just went borderline abusive and pig headed, to a point that i dreaded having to see chapters of her fill the manga. then there was that one manga volume were she was practically killing Keitaro.

Asuna Kagurazaka would be a tsundere that i actual like. she is a tough girl that can be humble without going to extremes. she has a very big sister aura.
Nodoka Miyazaki would be a quiet character that i like, she is undeniably cute, and because she gradually grows out of her shell she really stands out. she doesnt stay in that one stale "omg i cant do it" personality.

one of my fav Moe character is Mii from Popotan. she is playful, and even though she is young at least she thinks. even seems to be a lot more fleshed out than her teen counterparts who act so much like babies you wonder how they are in high-school.


its those one Moe characters who literally cant do ANYTHING without someone else being with them! yes this is going to be rude to compare to some ink and paint, its the ones that just act so mentally retarded and paralyzed, you wonder how they know they can breath!

i can deal with cute, phrase sprouting, shy, quirky traits, but when you get a character who has nothing to them but to be a Doll/Furniture...i have no time for it.

a few Moe traits are good, its when you overload a character with every trait possible, it means nothing.
Donald Duck is a Tsundere! Daisy seems to be the only one who can tame his out burst. and she doesnt back down.

Thread Jack XD

-What are Your fav Tsundere and Moe- fiarra?
-Rinali Lee, what are pretty boys that you like that you think i would be interested in?
-Rmarques, hmmm. what Jnp singers (anime or other wise) do you feel need more attention?

Originally Posted by Bunai

@Rinali Lee
lol i dont mind.
pretty boys are fine, boys with femme looks, ones that look gentle. woo hoo!
its the ones that just look like female characters, to a point that you can just slap on some boobs. i am not fond of them, because they might as well be female and usually they are characters that dont stand out and let people walk all over them, i get that is some kind of likable thing with some people.
if they are some kind of hermaphrodite (looks wise), it makes sense.

xD Good point thar.

Mm, after the "Aya Hirano" comment, I went and listened to one of her songs; I...think it's ok? ^^;;; But I can't sing. AT ALL. So I'm not sure my opinion holds any weight. >.>;;;

Originally Posted by Rinali Lee

xD Good point thar.

Mm, after the "Aya Hirano" comment, I went and listened to one of her songs; I...think it's ok? ^^;;; But I can't sing. AT ALL. So I'm not sure my opinion holds any weight. >.>;;;

See, her recordings are fine, but her live performances are.. I dunno, she just puts way too much vibrato into her voice, and it ends up sounding just... Weird. She strikes me as quite unexperienced.

xD i see we have a Akamatsu fan? Just maybe? My boyfriend is actually a huge fan of his work so luckily I actually know who you're talking about.

Love Hina and Naru is an interesting case I think, one I've heard of at great length... all the time. I think the general idea that I get about her is that she's a very bland and weak main female love interest. She's the one you know the guy's gonna end up with, but she's just not as interesting as the other girls. I tend to think that this is mostly a result of it being one of Akamatsu's earlier works.

Negima, on the other hand, I have actually read. And yes, Asuna would be a very good example of a tsudere character that isn't over the top. On the other hand, I consider Nodoka to be something of a moe character. Cute and quiet and just all-around adorable!

My faves? Hmmm.. that's tough.
For tsundere I think I'm going to have to go with Rin from Fate/Stay Night and Ogiue from Genshiken as my favorites. Rin just because she's powerful in her own right and isn't particularly nice to Shirou, but she has her own quiet moments that flesh her out as a character. And Oguie probably just because I love Genshiken to pieces, and her as a result.

The ultimate in moe for me is Strawberry Marshmallow. ESPECIALLY Matsuri with her little ferret pet. She gets picked on a lot by the older sister and her other friend, but she's just too cute to not love.

I can totally see your point about the overloading of characteristics though. I guess the way you worded it originally made it seems like you didn't like it AT ALL. xD It makes more sense now.

-Rmarques, hmmm. what Jnp singers (anime or other wise) do you feel need more attention?

Personally? I strongly recoment Nagase Miyu. She's young, yes (she'll become 20 in May), however, she's been in the music business since she was 11, and has a lot of experience, along with a wonderful voice.

I also recoment the band Maria, a six girls bands that usually has two bass players. They're also quite young (average age of 18, I think), but they are extremely talented.

And, despite the fact they already disbanded, ZONE is also a very good band (that's Miyu's old band before she went solo, and the main vocalist on the Maria video I linked was ZONE's bassist).

And of course, Bump of Chicken. Not really unknown, but they're awesome anyway.