You know... I'm not too ashamed of the fact that you all seem to think I have a "racist attitude" Towards white people... I mean hell we deserve it! Hundred years of opression of people of color... We enslaved africans for three hundred years and we sytematically dystroyed the native american's cultural heritage... Not to mention we STOLE this country from them... Oh and don't get me started on the small pox infected blankets...

there's never been enslavement in my country.

maybe you deserve it, and I understand the racism towards white people, but then why are you lecturing other people about racism when you're just the same? :|

Originally Posted by Sagitar

there's never been enslavement in my country.

maybe you deserve it, and I understand the racism towards white people, but then why are you lecturing other people about racism when you're just the same? :|

I really don't think I'm the same seeing as how when I said white I was thinking of white americans... we aren't exactly known for our open minds or just treatment of anyone differant from us...

Oh noes! A self hating white chick! Yeah I'm a total hate monger huh... :?

@ jaded geisha - lol, on the record i don't think any discrimination should be condoned, but what bothers me more are some statements that serafim_azriel said. i already apologize beforehand if the following comments appear insensitive, a misrepresentation, or rude or condescending.

what bothered me about her statement was the fact that an unfair experience in her life gave her the mentality that other people should be treated unfairly or their concerns shouldn't be addressed because her concerns weren't addressed. and what really bothered me was the fact that she appeared to compare the discrimination and unfair activities she witnessed to the discrimination the black community has endured (again, i apologize if this is a misrepresentation, but this is how it appeared to me from her statement, and i apologize again if the next comments appear rude and condescending) i'm sorry, but there really is no comparison to the complication between her teacher and the discrimination black people have endured (or even the other examples she cited). i'm sorry she had to endure that, but on a scale of discrimination, this instance appears pretty minor. not only is it relatively new that white people are experiencing unfair accusations in the american public (especially considering how long it took for civil rights to be acknowledged in the first place), but it does not even seem to compare to the fears of lynchings, ku klux klan, slavery, white supremacists, false imprisonment, etc. that black people have had to endure over history. i'm not saying that she doesn't have a right to complain, but to state her personal experience or other instances of discrimination against white people as a clear argument about why black people(as well as people outside of the black community) do not have a right to have their concerns even addressed, i did not feel this was not an appropriate argument. until white people have to be concerned about these same issues that black people have addressed throughout american history, i don't think the comparison can or even should be made. even experiencing discrimination myself, i do not even attempt to compare my communities' experience of suffering (white or jewish) towards others, and then use it as a justification not to listen to other people's concerns. i only used those previous cultural analogies to address similar instances of discrimination, but i would not try to compare mine or another culture's experience of discrimination and suffering to another. this type of comparison is completely impossible, given there is no way to compare other people's histories, suffering, discrimination, and the mentality that goes along with that. i'm sorry that the comparison was even made, and that it was used to state that somehow her concerns were either more entitled to be heard or that other's concerns shouldn't be heard because of the unfortunate experience she endured. i also had to wonder why, as somebody who claimed they were a civil rights activist, expressed so much anger towards the black community because of the experience she endured. i (disregarding my jewish identity) as a white individual as well, have encountered similar experiences of witnessing either false accusations of racism or the "race card" being used. i do not, however, try to use this experience as a justification to state that other community concerns should not be addressed. and for somebody that appeared to not want people to judge people's behavior (since apparently it's human nature to act that way, although what study supports this i'm not sure), she was very quick to judge anyone who might disagree, and again tried to interject her own and other's experience when again the two, based on history alone, could clearly not be compared. i again, apologize if i am misrepresenting this user's statement by stating she appeared angered at the black community, but that's how it appeared to me by her statement. also, all these statements were directed specifically towards the user i was addressing, and i already apologize if users get offended, including the user herself, by my comments based any misunderstanding of what specifically i am referring to.

another thing that bothered me about her statement was the comment that since racism has always existed, it therefore will always exist, and there are no actions we should do to try to prevent discriminatory behavior (specifically through images) or try to stop it. ignoring a problem and blatantly claiming it can never be fixed does not improve people's lives or mentalities. however, by actively stating what is acceptable or unacceptable behavior helps people appreciate what actions can be viewed as appropriate. no, simply stating what actions are wrong won't always change people's behavior, but not trying to take any steps to make improvement, and allowing for bad behavior to continue without any objection is even worse. at the very least, it shows to communities that people do appreciate their concerns and are taking action against unacceptable behavior. to state that their concerns don't matter only allows for bad behavior to continue, as well as shows an insensitivity to concerns of a general community. staying silent and taking no action only increases the possibility for racism in the future. stating what is acceptable and appropriate behavior, as well as making an attempt to inform and educate people accurately on community behavior, will increase the possibility for tolerance, not deter it.

edit - in regards to specifically what this post was about, it was a statement towards serafim_azriel's rant against pc behavior. i agree that sometimes people can go way overboard at times with pc behavior, but to translate that towards a view of not standing up against discrimination entirely, and to use her own experience to compare to other individual's and community's concerns, and to state that other people's concerns shouldn't be addressed because hers weren't, i'm sorry, but again, i simply felt these were completely inappropriate arguments to make, and was only stating why i personally felt those arguments were so inappropriate.

Originally Posted by Jaded Geisha

You know... I'm not too ashamed of the fact that you all seem to think I have a "racist attitude" Towards white people... I mean hell we deserve it! Hundred years of opression of people of color... We enslaved africans for three hundred years and we sytematically dystroyed the native american's cultural heritage... Not to mention we STOLE this country from them... Oh and don't get me started on the small pox infected blankets...

The whole point of racism is making unfair judgments on someone for their race. No one alive today is responsible for the founding fathers of this country enslaving Africans, systematically wiping out the Native Americans or any of those things you would say we deserve to be treated poorly for. Just as no one alive is responsible for the atrocities committed by those of any other race, ethnicity or whatever (and trust me, there are plenty aside from white Americans in history who have done things just as bad if not worse- I mean, hell, do you think all Germans are responsible what Hitler and his followers did?)
By judging an individual on something people of their race did is still racism even if it's people of your own race and it is still just as wrong as judging someone for stereotypes and false ideas about their race. No one can choose what color they are born or to whom they are born. Turning around and judging someone based on that is the problem, not some stupid ad from some stupid scam site. You make this post about how terrible this ad is and how people are racist and how the ad is detrimental to society, but maybe you should stop and think about the things you've said and the attitudes you hold before you start criticizing ANYONE about being racist, because what you've said, the attitudes you hold are far more detrimental than that ad ever will be.

Originally Posted by wispytearz

The whole point of racism is making unfair judgments on someone for their race. No one alive today is responsible for the founding fathers of this country enslaving Africans, systematically wiping out the Native Americans or any of those things you would say we deserve to be treated poorly for. Just as no one alive is responsible for the atrocities committed by those of any other race, ethnicity or whatever (and trust me, there are plenty aside from white Americans in history who have done things just as bad if not worse- I mean, hell, do you think all Germans are responsible what Hitler and his followers did?)
By judging an individual on something people of their race did is still racism even if it's people of your own race and it is still just as wrong as judging someone for stereotypes and false ideas about their race. No one can choose what color they are born or to whom they are born. Turning around and judging someone based on that is the problem, not some stupid ad from some stupid scam site. You make this post about how terrible this ad is and how people are racist and how the ad is detrimental to society, but maybe you should stop and think about the things you've said and the attitudes you hold before you start criticizing ANYONE about being racist, because what you've said, the attitudes you hold are far more detrimental than that ad ever will be.

yep this is exactly what I ment... thank you for putting it in better words wispytearz xP

I wasn't making generalizations based on all white people... Just the white people who missed my point entirely in this thread... You white folk gave all us white folk a bad name thanks to your uninformed and apathetic veiw towards racism in advertisements...

Oh and to serafim_azriel

Civil rights activist you say? Well I have never met a Civil rights activist who tells people to stop being so sensitive to offensive and racist imagery... You must be a really BAD one... :lol:

@ jaded geisha - well, i personally don't find any fault with people in this thread who stated that. people have a right to not be offended, as much as people have a right to be offended. i just felt people should be informed as to why people were so offended when viewing this image because people simply didn't seem to understand what was so offensive by this image, given simply that they didn't know the offensive history behind it. if after all the information people still look at this image and aren't offended, then they have a right not to be. but i do think that people who were offended at this image should be defended, especially since there is strong historical reason to be offended at this image. whether people choose to be offended or not be offended, people should definitely know exactly why it could be regarded as offensive. this is mainly because people cannot make an accurate decision about whether or not something should be considered offensive without knowing the information about why it might be considered offensive in the first place. and even if one does not personally find something offensive, they can at least know and understand why somebody would, and be compassionate towards their concerns. but i do feel far more criticism should be directed at the creators of the image, especially given how offensive it can be perceived, then users who were simply posting their opinions, however misguided you feel their comments can be. they do have a right to their opinions, i only feel it should be an informed opinion before making a clear decision over whether something can be viewed offensive.

what bothered me more again was serafim_azriel's statements (i made a huge rant about it above, lol) i again apologize if i went too far in that rant above, but her arguments seemed so extreme. it was mainly the comparison that appeared to be made about her identity and experience to those of the black communities (again, i do not feel anybody's identity can possibly be compared with another's based on history alone), but also her claims that appeared to state nothing should be done about discrimination entirely which seemed to be embracing a mentality of taking a step backwards, not forwards, and what could have been legitimate arguments were stated in a way that was argumentative, insulting, and it appeared from her tone that she was, to be blunt, whining about her own experience rather than choosing to listen and respond to the legitimate concerns in this thread. i'm sorry if i misrepresented her statements at all, but i was simply disturbed by the statements she made. her statements came off incredibly nasty to me, and i was definitely bothered by them. but definitely, lol on that last post. i was thinking the exact same thing. i hope i never meet who she was trying to defend in her activism career :D

Originally Posted by Jaded Geisha

I wasn't making generalizations based on all white people... Just the white people who missed my point entirely in this thread... You white folk gave all us white folk a bad name thanks to your uninformed and apathetic veiw towards racism in advertisements...

Back peddling will only get you so far. You made a racist, stereotypical generalization and whether you meant it to be everyone or only a select few, you still said "most of you". You claim to now be slightly ashamed of that statement, but then turn around and say you're not at all ashamed of being racist against whites because of all the awful things done by white Americans who are long since dead. While I can certainly understand how being angry and overly emotional can impact the things you say and how you say them, showing racism when you're angry is no more excusable than when not. What's more, just because people have a different opinion on impact of advertising does not mean they're uninformed or ignorant. In the past, yes, these sort of things made a difference but we're living in the here and now and here and now, the only impact this ad is having is to upset or irritate people who are either offended or just don't want to see spam ads in the first place. This ad is not making people racist and I've yet to see anyone provide any sort of evidence to the contrary. Were as you, losing your temper has caused you to make racist and stereotypical generalizations and defend them. Once more, I think that before you start criticizing anyone else you need to evaluate your own beliefs, words and actions, because very few want to take criticism or even advice from a hypocrite.

so all people who didn't find that one single stupid ad to be offensive are "uninformed and apathetic" racists.. :roll:

I'd say that's kinda big generalization :|

I don't like racist ads in any way and if I dislike all companies that use any kind of offencive advertisement, but like I said before, THAT, one, single, stupid, simple, common ad is not offensive in my opinion, BUT I don't think it's crazy to find that offensive.
To me there could be a white person hunted by an angry dog. :|

ok, after cooling down a bit, i would like to address some comments i made earlier (and, unless it gets brought up again, this is the last time i plan to address this issue, i swear, lol) in regards to comments i made earlier, i could not fathom why i engaged in such huge, enraged remarks against a certain user,serafim_azriel, for statements she made, and continued to do so. after taking some time, i realized why i was so bothered at her remarks. it wasn't that i simply disagreed with her remarks, or found some statements she made irrelevant to the specific nature of this thread. the fact is, i felt it was implied by her remarks that unless you agree with her and feel that the image posted was not offensive, then you are essentially a pc fanatic. some of the statements she made were accurate, specifically in regards to direct claims that every image or remark is based on racism without sufficient evidence are extreme statements to make. but i also can't see why the user couldn't also recognize that stating that everybody who is offended by an image is therefore a pc fanatic could also be viewed as incredibly judgmental. these statements were also made without an apparent attempt to see why people would be particularly offended with this specific image. note also that i never even said that i thought the image was offensive, but simply stated that i recognized why it would be viewed as offensive and used examples of other images that were also considered offensive, as well as stated the detrimental history that these images used to portray as examples of why people would still consider this image offensive. but another thing that bothered me aside from this and the extreme comments, such as pc behavior makes racism worse (i've heard a lot of accusations against being too pc, and agree that extreme pc people can be viewed as obnoxious, aggressive, annoying, etc. but that they make racism worse? that's one i haven't heard and need far more evidence then a small statement to back up this claim), the implication that since bigotry is human nature, so people shouldn't even be offended or speak against what might be viewed as a continuation of offensive behavior since it's always going to exist anyway, or the comments that seem to compare discrimination of two completely different identities with two completely separate histories, again a concept i don't think can even be accomplished. what bothered even more than all of these examples, is almost the very first line of the statement in which the user stated i don't believe in all this treating everybody with "love and respect", which shortened appeared to seem like she was stating i don't believe in respect. the fact of the matter is everybody wants to be treated with respect, and i feel that not only should apply to different cultures and identities, but people in this thread should be treated with respect as well. whether a person agrees or disagrees with your position, i feel their opinion still needs to be treated respect. i found respect mainly lacking in that post, and did not appreciate being attacked and essentially labeled as a pc fanatic for providing examples of images that other people had found offensive, simply because she disagreed and did not feel these images were offensive. i felt these statements were incredibly judgmental, especially given this user knew very little about my personal experience or even my personal positions, and felt these statements were uncalled for. even if one does not agree that they personally find this image offensive, they can at least recognize and acknowledge why others might find it offensive. i also simply felt that all these statements needed to be addressed. i'm again sorry if i was too harsh while dealing with these claims.

i would also like to thank wispytearz and sagitar for their statements. as much as i appreciate jaded geisha's support and understand her passion about this issue, wispytearz and sagitar made very good arguments about why statements that were made can also be viewed as disrespectful. people have every right, especially after viewing all the information, to state that they feel that this image should still be considered offensive, even given a modern context, and feel that the image is perpetuating an insulting stereotype with horrible past implications, or look at the image and even after all the information, recognize why it would be considered offensive, but given the modern context and it's silly demeanor, still find it just a harmless cartoon that was printed in very poor taste. people can choose to decide whatever they want after viewing the image and all the implications behind it. but to state that simply if a user doesn't agree that this image is offensive, then the user must be racist, wispytearz and sagitar posed good statements about why they felt these statements were uncalled for as well. essentially i feel everybody's opinion in this thread should be treated with understanding and respect. i urge others to keep this in mind when posting further in this thread, and apologize immediately if i also engaged in behavior that might be viewed as disrespectful. ( i may seem way too apologetic right now, and people are probably wishing i would just shut up by now given my long winded posts, lol, but i really don't want people to get the wrong impression from the statements that i made. unless this subject gets brought up again, you can consider the subject dropped)

@memarcus:
Alright, perhaps you misunderstand me, let me... rephrase. No, I do not believe we should do nothing to try and stop racism from being a nation wide problem. It will always exist, yes, in many individuals and we can't "cure" that. I don't believe, in modern society, that many of those pictures, like the myspace ad and jungle jitters are racist, but if seen by someone who is already racist, then they can take it elsewhere and be like "yea, those niggers are all like that".

In regards to my incident with my teacher, no, I do not mean I believe all black people use the race card, I just think it's ridiculous that they can when there is so much proof that it is to the individual. It is stupid. I do not like that people can fall back to the whole "you're racist for firing me even though I am the worst employee", I've seen a very good friend of mine do it before as well. It's effective and that pisses me off. It is one thing if the person is actually being discriminated against, and another thing entirely if they aren't.

No, I don't hate black people, any minority can do that as effectively, white people can also do it, but again, since, in America, we're the technically only racists, then it doesn't work as well. I would get angry if anybody did something like that. I just don't think people should have the option. (I am more angered at the judicial system that allows ridiculous lawsuits, like "that person is racist because they fired me!" and, "I'm fat because I ate at McDonalds!" (though that is being changed, I understand.))

I realize that there are still places in America that have extreme racism, and, as an activist, THAT is what I'm trying to fix, not things I don't consider racist. The image you talked about earlier (the tribesmen next to the white plantation) is something I would consider racist, again, this is because of my racism idea that I mentioned. That if you switched it around (ignore the history), it would still be racist if it were a (insert race here) with a white barbarian or something. Although most people wouldn't see it.

I am not trying to go on about how white people are SO discriminated against, but I am bringing up the fact that no one seems to care if white people are. In America, this is mainly because we "owned slaves, etc, etc, etc," and honestly, it's well, I think, stupid. Yes, because America is predominately white, most places there is no white racism, but remember, and this is the last I'm really going to say on this since it wasn't important, the there were groups like the Black Jaguars (which would shot whites and even other blacks (if they were associating with whites). They were the Black KKK.

My racism can't go away comment was more directed to Torikat in the fact that he last statement seemed, as she even said, idealistic. I do believe in an eye for an eye. Maybe the ancestors of those who were slaves should enslave the ancestors of those who'd owned slaves and that would solve out problem! (That is a joke, but it would be funny to see, mind you, I wouldn't have to worry about this because I had no family in America during the Civil war.)

I am an extreme person when it comes to my views, when trying to get a point across, I say it in an extreme way.
So, let me clarify: My biggest problem with racism today and how it affects people is when people cannot have freedom of speech for fear that someone will call it hate speech. This applies to more than just racism, but with racism it is the most prominent example of such an act. I believe that I should be able to call my black friend a nigger (since he doesn't mind) and not have some random person passing by get all mad and try and say that I should be careful what I say.
I am first and foremost for free speech. Yes, I also realize that people can claim that what they said was racist because it well, was meant in a hateful and racist way, and while that is the paradox I have run across and am trying to see a balance within my own beliefs, I believe that what should be focused on first is, for example, the job market and things that actually matter.
A cartoon while can, under certain circumstances, do harm, I do not believe that cartoons are really the problem within racism. I will stereotype for a moment here and say that in America, the south is the festering ground where you can see how bad it is.
I am white, I will not deny that, but I have seen racism in action and do understand it, at least as an outsider. Perhaps my own view of racism is somewhat... stunted because, until high school, it was never readily apparent. It wasn't until I had gotten into the real world that I noticed it. Like how I'd go into the store with a friend who was black and the store clerk would keep an eye on them instead of me (or both of us), etc. or because my friends would make racist comments about themselves (read: their own race) as jokes and I have never seen a joke meant with no ill intent be harmful.
And to your comment about how until white people shouldn't really claim racism until they have a fear of lynching, etc., in certain places, there is. Of course, many people will say I am racist for saying so. However, aside from the south, there is no reason for a constant fear of lynching. Any minority where I grew up does not really have any valid claim on being discriminated against purely on race, and not on other things. Mainly because there was no racism in my schools (Individuals, yes, but never enough for it to be a problem.)

And I agree with Wispytearz on her first statement on

By judging an individual on something people of their race did is still racism even if it's people of your own race and it is still just as wrong as judging someone for stereotypes and false ideas about their race. No one can choose what color they are born or to whom they are born. Turning around and judging someone based on that is the problem, not some stupid ad from some stupid scam site.

And to Jaded: I mean stop being offended by something that isn't meant to be hateful, merely humorous. It gets nothing done if every humor of anyone being stupid that isn't white is dissected and seen as offensive or racist when it's really just they chose not to. Big deal. Would it seem as bad if a black person had drawn it?

(And for everyone's information, I do not use the term "African American" or anything of the sort because I believe that puts us on different grounds (and also not everyone who is black is from Africa). If I am referring to someone by race I will say, if I know, their ACTUAL race, and if I don't, "black", "Asian", "white", "Hispanic", etc.)

@ serafim azriel - lol, yeah a lot of what you mentioned was not in your original statement. i'm sorry that your original statement wound up being a misrepresentation of your position. as i stated in the previous post, i mainly went on a bit of a tirade (and i already apologized previously because of that) mainly because i felt i was being personally attacked, and labeled as a pc fanatic simply for defending a person's right to voice their opinion. no, a cartoon may not be the most detrimental example of racism, but i did feel people had every right to be offended by it, stated examples as to why some people might be offended, and felt their opinion should be respected and not judged. i'm also glad that you included wispytearz statement, and i also explained in the previous post why i felt her and sagitar's arguments were good positions on why some other statements may be viewed as uncalled for, or not treating other's with respect.

i do respect your position about personal responsibility (that people should really be taking accountability for their own actions rather than blaming something else for all their problems) however, i don't think that no one seems to care about white people. i mean you clearly do, and i know other people who have made similar claims that they feel there is now a double standard being enacted. i do, however, feel that this type of stereotype or discrimination is still completely different than that of which a black person faces. and while i do not wish to make any comparison between separate identities, i think it is fair to reference the black panthers, a group that was enacted from a group of people that felt that defense was a necessary form of action, but wound up becoming incredibly extreme and violent in their views, and it is true that there was an enforcement of fear that these violent views would be officially enacted.

i don't agree with some of the statements made, but i do agree there are far more justifiable and relevant examples of racism. i do agree that, what might be viewed as much more important issues, such as the job market and other relevant examples should absolutely be addressed and focused on, but i don't think that completely invalidates a person from being offended by certain racial portrayals. what may be considered benign to you may be considered far more offensive to others and i feel their opinions count just as much. even if you feel there are far more important issues to address, people's sensibilities and offensive images shouldn't be entirely ignored, especially when these images have the possibility to multiply/promote offensive and inaccurate displays about people's cultures, especially when people begin to find them so incredibly offensive. again, you do not have to personally agree that something is offensive to acknowledge why somebody else might. there are instances where people claim racism for the sake of claiming racism or avoiding personal responsibility, but there are legitimate instances of racism (you pointed out some very good personal examples yourself) and legitimate reasons to be offended. the greatest litmus test i find about whether these offensive statements hold up is whether or not there is legitimate evidence to support that offensive behavior is actually being exhibited. i felt i was providing what may be viewed as strong evidence as to why people might be offended. it is now, i feel, up to the people that view this thread, to view both the image and the evidential reasons behind why the image can be viewed offensive, and decide for themselves whether these examples are enough to claim that this particular image is offensive. whatever position people decide, i feel their opinions should be respected. i thank you for your response, and admit that this response is far different then the one i originally viewed. i'm again sorry if i misread your comments, and misinterpreted your statements in any way.

I don't see why big lips are a negative thing. o_O' I think lips are sexeh! XD

But...in all seriousness, I don't think it's really racist. I think going nuts over it is overkill. It's just a cartoon doodle and it's not doing anything bad. If it were lynching of some African guy THEN I'd have issues with it. But, rhinos do live in Africa, and there are people that use bone for jewelry and grasses and leaves for covering parts.

O.o?

It isn't intentionally offensive I don't think...It's just the way they see things and the artist chose to doodle it this way or that.

Well, I can see racist undertones in many of the clips you showed (mainly he second one), and I understand how the big red lips can be seen as offensive due to the black face painting to mock blacks (I don't remember exactly where that happened), but a lot of people who draw cartoons like that now a days are simply ignorant of where it the cartoons they before have seen would have a racial undertone because they are not.

Also, I believe PC has a place. Like in elementary, junior and high schools and in a political gathering. That is not addressing the politically incorrect issues.
When I said it can add to racism, I meant it more as if people are forced to be PC, then they might instead lash out and act simply because it's something not okay to do.

When I write, I have a hard time phrasing things. Sometimes I cannot even understand what I wrote after I wrote it.

With the cartoons, I don't believe that those should be addressed as much as make sure people understand where the stereotypes came from because stereotypes can be useful (as well as harmful), they just have to be used in the correct way.

edit: anyone can be offended, I was more trying to get to Jaded Geisha that while she may find it offensive, it does not mean it necessarily is, because she has been quite close minded towards those who disagreed with her. As if by not finding it offensive we are not sensitive to racism. Which is, in itself offensive because it is a rejection of any idea that does not agree with her own, and that was making me angry.

To Jaded: If you posted this topic to try and show people that you consider it offensive, you should not insult everyone that disagrees with you because it is not the best example. If you had shown a more extreme example that was obviously racist (i.e. to those who did not know the history of such cartoon images and how they were used as a justification for racism and slavery), then you would have every right to be as upset as your are that people did not see it on the same level, but an African tribesman being chased by a rhino, while the image may have a racist background, it is not directly racist and therefore the fact that many do not take it as such is understandable.
I can see how, knowing the history of such pictures and their use, it can be seen as comparable to those images and therefore offensive, but please consider that most people now a days don't, and therefore don't see it offensive at all. Most people who will see it will not even think twice about it because it is not really saying anything beyond the tribesman is running from a rhino.

Looks weird, but I don't believe it's racist. If it'd be a rhino chasing a white man what difference would it make?

Indeed, you may think it's racist, but if my race, the white race was there. THAT is racist as well. I don't think there is any aspect in that picture of racisim. It would be different if the picture had a comment about black man, but no, it has a comment on a rhino...unless you find the rhino racist or something. =/

I've seen this ad before also. At first I thought of it to being Racist then I thought about how different artists have different ways of drawing cartoons, like some put people wth noses some don't (Bad example)

wow, people do not read the first post, lol actually this comment is not directed at everyone that just posted, but no, this has nothing to do with the rhino. you can completely take the rhino out of the equation and the objection would be exactly the same. no, people do not have to agree that this is a racist depiction, but people should still understand why people are objecting so strongly to this image. again, the explanation is in the first post. you don't have to agree with it, but for crying out loud at least acknowledge it. the explanation was stated so that people would no longer be confused as to why people were objecting. at least look at it and then decide whether you still feel it is not an offensive image or acknowledge why people are stating it's offensive. (and no, just because it was my explanation does not mean i agree either way, but it was a very clear explanation on why people are objecting so strongly)

@ serafim_azriel - yeah, i completely understand, and i apologize for the confusion. i think you phrased it very well when you stated it's the racist undertones that people are objecting to. again, i'm sorry if any of my statements were a misrepresentation of any point you were trying to get across.

Originally Posted by ScarletStratholme

It isn't intentionally offensive I don't think...It's just the way they see things and the artist chose to doodle it this way or that.

And I wasn't intentionally offensive with my "white kids" comment... Hell hang out with my friends, we call anyone who's a bit sheltered or obtuse "white" no mater what color they are... It's the same as you folks who call stuff gay but then turn around and say that you're not a homophobe... If you want to contiinue to use the term gay to refer to things you find distasteful than you have to admit you're a homophobe... and If I want to continue to use the phrase "Silly white kids" I'll admit I'm racist towards white people... even though I am white... (Oh noes a self hating white... again...)

Oh! and all you folks that use the term "retarded" in the same way you use gay... That makes you prejudiced against the mentally disabled... Shame on you!

Nope, you are not crazy! But maybe it is unintentional...If it isn't, D< they deserve punishment.

Okay, so Jaded, I decided to help you get your point across and show EXACTLY what I believe you were trying to say. This is a modern racist cartoon from a racist website.



EDIT: I posted this because I believe this is what Jaded Geisha is referring to in an non-humorous way (unless you are racist).

Originally Posted by H_e_a_r_t

Nope, you are not crazy! But maybe it is unintentional...If it isn't, D< they deserve punishment.

well, whether somebody intends something to be intentional or not, if people do find something offensive, usually consequences occur, or at the very least an apology is required. even if somebody doesn't intend for something to be intentionally offensive, often times people do have to take responsibility for what actions they take and statements they say. this really is something to keep in mind, especially in a situation of this nature where advertisers too have to answer for the type of images they present to the general public.

@ serafim_azriel - that is a perfect example. thank you for posting that. i think these examples do help people gain more perspective on this situation.

Well, I thought that for those who truly didn't know the history and only saw the (intended to be) humorous pictures they would not understand Jaded's point of view at all or didn't KNOW what she was talking about.

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@memarcus-I hope that helps get your and Jaded's point across.